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Nick used to spread a scurrilous rumor that I was a Libertarian. (Of course, I retaliated with a rumor of his mysticism.)
Reading this: https://therabbitisin.com/the-pythagorean-illuminati-and-their-mathematical-reality-a207ee952d30 made me wonder if FRIAM harbors a number of Pythagorean Illuminati. Nick, Marcus, Glen, Frank, and Jon come immediately to mind; based on my voluminous research of key words and phrases in their various posts. Just saying ... davew - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Might be a giggle to run all the FRIAM posts though a word cloud program. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 8:47 AM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote: Nick used to spread a scurrilous rumor that I was a Libertarian. (Of course, I retaliated with a rumor of his mysticism.) - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Prof David West
I accept the compliment. Add that to Nick calling me a Cartesian and John Baez calling me a logician and I feel that I've made it. In Baez's book, Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity, he says that 1x1 real matrices are real numbers. When I explained to him why that isn't true he said, "Only logicians care about that." Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 8:47 AM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote: Nick used to spread a scurrilous rumor that I was a Libertarian. (Of course, I retaliated with a rumor of his mysticism.) - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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From the article.
"Philosophers have always been divided about the roles of logic (formal reasoning) and, by extension, of mathematics. There have been empiricists who regard reasoning as just a tool to help organize the knowledge that derives from our senses. And there have been rationalists who treat reason as a mode of mystical, direct access to ultimate truths, one which bypasses sense experience." It may be surprising to hear, wrt the paragraph above, I identify as an empiricist. A psychological (particularly phenomenological) grounding for mathematics is very important to me. That we have group theory, IMO, follows from the fact that the world affords us a notion of symmetry (including the recognition of asymmetry). I am to some extent pragmatist in that the symmetries I experience are *good enough* to be ontological objects, and the idea of Symmetry (writ large) is a limit afforded by that pragmatism. Over the last week, I fell down a Piaget hole thanks to a Jordan Peterson lecture at the University of Toronto[Ϯ]. While EricC has done quite a bit over the week to help me to move on from there, I am still left with a deep interest in how we come to develop the repositories of knowledge that we do, Mathematics especially. For me, Mathematics is a theory (in the sense of a systematically organized body of knowledge) and its theorems tell us about the experience and the intimacy of perception. [Ϯ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4VSRg4e8w -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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That may be the MOST INSULTING thing anyone has ever accused me of. 8^D Just because my mind is so open everything falls out does NOT mean I have no standards at all. And I would never belong to any group that thought the world is created by thought ... even if I might defend such a position to my death.
I suppose I'm more in line with John. But because I'm (if you're feeling generous) *applied* and don't care much for *pure* math, I'm not even empirical. My pluralism is Against Method entirely. If it works, do it. If it feels good, do it. When it no longer works or feels good, dump it and try something else. Take care to note that this post comes from uǝlƃ. I'm sure several of my other homunculi would want to interrupt me. But I've got them locked up nice and tight in the basement, ready to feed Yog. On 10/8/20 7:46 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Reading this: > > https://therabbitisin.com/the-pythagorean-illuminati-and-their-mathematical-reality-a207ee952d30 > > made me wonder if FRIAM harbors a number of Pythagorean Illuminati. Nick, Marcus, Glen, Frank, and Jon come immediately to mind; based on my voluminous research of key words and phrases in their various posts. > > Just saying ... -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Jon, FWIW, to Peirce, Mathematics was a distillation of Logic, and logic a distillation of "right thought"-- how we should think if we desire to hold that belief most likely to endure. Peirce fuzzed the distinction between the empirical and thegsb logical. All thought … including perception, of course … was in signs, and all signs were inferences. He believed that logic was entangled in every experience, a believe that becomes incontrovertible if you look at the wiring of the visual system, which is obviously and evidently a logic board. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From the article. "Philosophers have always been divided about the roles of logic (formal reasoning) and, by extension, of mathematics. There have been empiricists who regard reasoning as just a tool to help organize the knowledge that derives from our senses. And there have been rationalists who treat reason as a mode of mystical, direct access to ultimate truths, one which bypasses sense experience." It may be surprising to hear, wrt the paragraph above, I identify as an empiricist. A psychological (particularly phenomenological) grounding for mathematics is very important to me. That we have group theory, IMO, follows from the fact that the world affords us a notion of symmetry (including the recognition of asymmetry). I am to some extent pragmatist in that the symmetries I experience are *good enough* to be ontological objects, and the idea of Symmetry (writ large) is a limit afforded by that pragmatism. Over the last week, I fell down a Piaget hole thanks to a Jordan Peterson lecture at the University of Toronto[Ϯ]. While EricC has done quite a bit over the week to help me to move on from there, I am still left with a deep interest in how we come to develop the repositories of knowledge that we do, Mathematics especially. For me, Mathematics is a theory (in the sense of a systematically organized body of knowledge) and its theorems tell us about the experience and the intimacy of perception. [Ϯ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4VSRg4e8w -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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PILE ON DAVE! PILE ON DAVE!
Dave, if you weren't "just" saying, what would you be saying? Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:55 AM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] labels That may be the MOST INSULTING thing anyone has ever accused me of. 8^D Just because my mind is so open everything falls out does NOT mean I have no standards at all. And I would never belong to any group that thought the world is created by thought ... even if I might defend such a position to my death. I suppose I'm more in line with John. But because I'm (if you're feeling generous) *applied* and don't care much for *pure* math, I'm not even empirical. My pluralism is Against Method entirely. If it works, do it. If it feels good, do it. When it no longer works or feels good, dump it and try something else. Take care to note that this post comes from uǝlƃ. I'm sure several of my other homunculi would want to interrupt me. But I've got them locked up nice and tight in the basement, ready to feed Yog. On 10/8/20 7:46 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Reading this: > > https://therabbitisin.com/the-pythagorean-illuminati-and-their-mathema > tical-reality-a207ee952d30 > > made me wonder if FRIAM harbors a number of Pythagorean Illuminati. Nick, Marcus, Glen, Frank, and Jon come immediately to mind; based on my voluminous research of key words and phrases in their various posts. > > Just saying ... -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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I have mercenary instincts. If an idea or artifact is useful to me I don't care what other people think of it. In some situations I like it if others won't touch it, because that gives me a competitive advantage. If it is Grand and Unified, ok, but it doesn't have to be. When I don't have to be mercenary, well, maybe I'll reconsider lofty notions. Trump in jail would be a step in the right direction.
Look what you made me do, Marcus -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 9:55 AM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] labels That may be the MOST INSULTING thing anyone has ever accused me of. 8^D Just because my mind is so open everything falls out does NOT mean I have no standards at all. And I would never belong to any group that thought the world is created by thought ... even if I might defend such a position to my death. I suppose I'm more in line with John. But because I'm (if you're feeling generous) *applied* and don't care much for *pure* math, I'm not even empirical. My pluralism is Against Method entirely. If it works, do it. If it feels good, do it. When it no longer works or feels good, dump it and try something else. Take care to note that this post comes from uǝlƃ. I'm sure several of my other homunculi would want to interrupt me. But I've got them locked up nice and tight in the basement, ready to feed Yog. On 10/8/20 7:46 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Reading this: > > https://therabbitisin.com/the-pythagorean-illuminati-and-their-mathema > tical-reality-a207ee952d30 > > made me wonder if FRIAM harbors a number of Pythagorean Illuminati. Nick, Marcus, Glen, Frank, and Jon come immediately to mind; based on my voluminous research of key words and phrases in their various posts. > > Just saying ... -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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"Peirce fuzzed the distinction between the empirical and the logical."
As far as I am concerned, systems of logic are wild and diverse. On FRIAM, we often run explicitly into these distinctions (linear types, quantum toposes) as well as implicitly (constructivist scoping and free will). A surprising amount of the content we produce appears to me to be dialectical explorations of these distinctions. For all the different systems that make up me, I should expect to find non-equivalent logics at all levels. Logic at whatever level is something to be discovered. Peirce believes logic to be entangled in every experience, though I go a step further by saying logics. How we resolve the geometric morphisms must be fascinating, but not something immediately intuitive to me. That I am able (in analogy to Turing machines) to operate across the collection of all logics accessible to me doesn't mean that logics found at every level are universal. To some extent, I believe that Logic (narrowly) is in some sense the study of parts. For instance, whatever base I choose as a domain of verification, that base may or may not be able to distinguish parts distinguishable from the perspective of some other base. Unlike abstract machines (where I feel some confidence), I am unsure how logics are constrained by construction. When I reason about continuity, say, whether or not continuity is a fact of the objective world, what must logically be granted to me and how? A lot of work exists on the inheritance structure of toposes under the name of doctrines, fundamentally an algebraic theory. As exciting as it would be to get down to brass tacks and tackle this body of work, I hear the cautionary words of those on list. What might be lost in such an encoding (maximally stateful computations versus the purely functional, for example)?At the end of the day, I feel some comfort that historicity has done quite a bit of the work for me. I do not have to be confronted by all possible logics, just those expressible by this finite mass of flesh and desire. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Ha! That was the essence of one of the 538 panel member's phrasing suggestion for Kamala Harris in response to Pence's question about packing SCOTUS. The elaborated version was: "Because confirming Barrett, NOW, is such a horribly wrong thing to do, we have no choice BUT to pack the court." ... I.e. now look what you made me do. That was my dad's favorite phrase to justify whatever abuse he chose to mete out that day. He once ran over my bicycle with his truck. I *made* him run over my bike because I left it laying in the driveway. It's a running joke with my fellow drinkers who *regularly* FORCE me to drink more than I should. There is no free will. I live to serve.
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During one of his many terms FDR was accused of trying to pack the Court. He responded that he was trying to unpack it. I don't remember the details since I learned that in a U.S. history course I took during my junior year which was about 55 years ago. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 1:36 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote: Ha! That was the essence of one of the 538 panel member's phrasing suggestion for Kamala Harris in response to Pence's question about packing SCOTUS. The elaborated version was: "Because confirming Barrett, NOW, is such a horribly wrong thing to do, we have no choice BUT to pack the court." ... I.e. now look what you made me do. That was my dad's favorite phrase to justify whatever abuse he chose to mete out that day. He once ran over my bicycle with his truck. I *made* him run over my bike because I left it laying in the driveway. It's a running joke with my fellow drinkers who *regularly* FORCE me to drink more than I should. There is no free will. I live to serve. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Glen,
That is an ugly and irresponsible parental ploy. He should have been horsewhipped. Along with "this hurts me more than it does you" and "go to your room until you can apologize." To this day, I find it hard to apologize for errors I have made. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 1:36 PM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] labels Ha! That was the essence of one of the 538 panel member's phrasing suggestion for Kamala Harris in response to Pence's question about packing SCOTUS. The elaborated version was: "Because confirming Barrett, NOW, is such a horribly wrong thing to do, we have no choice BUT to pack the court." ... I.e. now look what you made me do. That was my dad's favorite phrase to justify whatever abuse he chose to mete out that day. He once ran over my bicycle with his truck. I *made* him run over my bike because I left it laying in the driveway. It's a running joke with my fellow drinkers who *regularly* FORCE me to drink more than I should. There is no free will. I live to serve. On 10/8/20 11:28 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Look what you made me do, -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Interesting. That was kindof the tactic that Kamala took, although she did not make it explicit. n Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly During one of his many terms FDR was accused of trying to pack the Court. He responded that he was trying to unpack it. I don't remember the details since I learned that in a U.S. history course I took during my junior year which was about 55 years ago. --- On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 1:36 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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FDR proposed it. —Barry On 8 Oct 2020, at 16:18, Frank Wimberly wrote:
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Ha! I refer to the last bit as "ok fine, TWIST my drinking arm!" when
someone offers to buy me one... the only one to twists my drinking arm this last six months has been Mary... and Maybe Stephen and his circle on "ZoomGrappaNight". I don't like the language around "packing the court". I don't think "reconfiguring the court" is the same as "packing the court". Clearly, the (not so) loyal opposition to the Dems *would* pack the court... add 6 more justices and make sure they are ALL conservative leaners. Pete Buttegeig was the first to speak of this in my earshot, and HIS version sounded pretty reasonable... reconfigure (expand) it from 9 to 15 but *balance* the Left/Right ideology (I think he proposed 5/5) and then leave it to the Justices themselves to fill the remaining 5 (through some arcane process?). What the Republicans have been building up to for decades is "packing the courts". Checks and balances are tricky, as is depending on social norms and standards, but I think it might be "as good as it gets", at least for the time being. - Steve On 10/8/20 1:36 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Ha! That was the essence of one of the 538 panel member's phrasing suggestion for Kamala Harris in response to Pence's question about packing SCOTUS. The elaborated version was: "Because confirming Barrett, NOW, is such a horribly wrong thing to do, we have no choice BUT to pack the court." ... I.e. now look what you made me do. That was my dad's favorite phrase to justify whatever abuse he chose to mete out that day. He once ran over my bicycle with his truck. I *made* him run over my bike because I left it laying in the driveway. It's a running joke with my fellow drinkers who *regularly* FORCE me to drink more than I should. There is no free will. I live to serve. > > On 10/8/20 11:28 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Look what you made me do, - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Reconfiguring the court is not like running over Glen's bicycle, no matter what those crybabies will say. At some point it is appropriate to allot some justice.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 1:48 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] labels Ha! I refer to the last bit as "ok fine, TWIST my drinking arm!" when someone offers to buy me one... the only one to twists my drinking arm this last six months has been Mary... and Maybe Stephen and his circle on "ZoomGrappaNight". I don't like the language around "packing the court". I don't think "reconfiguring the court" is the same as "packing the court". Clearly, the (not so) loyal opposition to the Dems *would* pack the court... add 6 more justices and make sure they are ALL conservative leaners. Pete Buttegeig was the first to speak of this in my earshot, and HIS version sounded pretty reasonable... reconfigure (expand) it from 9 to 15 but *balance* the Left/Right ideology (I think he proposed 5/5) and then leave it to the Justices themselves to fill the remaining 5 (through some arcane process?). What the Republicans have been building up to for decades is "packing the courts". Checks and balances are tricky, as is depending on social norms and standards, but I think it might be "as good as it gets", at least for the time being. - Steve On 10/8/20 1:36 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Ha! That was the essence of one of the 538 panel member's phrasing suggestion for Kamala Harris in response to Pence's question about packing SCOTUS. The elaborated version was: "Because confirming Barrett, NOW, is such a horribly wrong thing to do, we have no choice BUT to pack the court." ... I.e. now look what you made me do. That was my dad's favorite phrase to justify whatever abuse he chose to mete out that day. He once ran over my bicycle with his truck. I *made* him run over my bike because I left it laying in the driveway. It's a running joke with my fellow drinkers who *regularly* FORCE me to drink more than I should. There is no free will. I live to serve. > > On 10/8/20 11:28 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Look what you made me do, - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Yeah, that rhetoric and Barry's suggestion that threats can work imply, to me, that Harris should have answered Pence with "HELL YES, we will restructure SCOTUS if you confirm Barrett before inauguration!" But I worry that Biden is too centrist to actually follow through with the threat. It makes me wonder how strong Harris' voice would be in the new admin.
On 10/8/20 1:48 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > I don't like the language around "packing the court". I don't think > "reconfiguring the court" is the same as "packing the court". Clearly, > the (not so) loyal opposition to the Dems *would* pack the court... add > 6 more justices and make sure they are ALL conservative leaners. Pete > Buttegeig was the first to speak of this in my earshot, and HIS version > sounded pretty reasonable... reconfigure (expand) it from 9 to 15 but > *balance* the Left/Right ideology (I think he proposed 5/5) and then > leave it to the Justices themselves to fill the remaining 5 (through > some arcane process?). What the Republicans have been building up to > for decades is "packing the courts". -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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--- reconfigure (expand) it from 9 to 15 but *balance* the Left/Right ideology (I think he proposed 5/5) and then --------- Note that one thing both parties agree on is that we should conceive politics as utterly and completely a choice between the two of them. God forbid that we conceive of judges using any other dimensions. In fact, let's enshrine it in law that we must forever focus on exactly whether we have a "balance" of "left" and "right". Ugh! On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 4:48 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: Ha! I refer to the last bit as "ok fine, TWIST my drinking arm!" when - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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I agree that the illusion of there being only the single axis of
Left/Right is a travesty. I also intuit that my own preferences for ranked-choice-voting to *allow in* more dimensions may be naive in some way I don't fully apprehend. I'd love for you (and others) here to explore the paradoxes and
inconsistencies implied in all of this. On 10/9/20 9:18 PM, Eric Charles wrote:
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It is the first principal component..
On Oct 9, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
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