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Owen Densmore

SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

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I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Pietro Terna

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Great! Pietro (from Italy)

Il 04/02/17 19:18, Owen Densmore ha scritto:

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen
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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

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Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

cody dooderson

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Steve Smith

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve

The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others.

Frank Wimberly, PhD

\I don't usually do this

Phone (505) 670-9918

On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve
The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Steve Smith

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Frank -

I discovered the same a while back but accepted it as a consequence of something I had observed too many times. I don't suspect anyone here of this behaviour, but I have seen "outsider" folks at the colloquia choosing to ask self-aggrandizing questions which diverted the conversation badly. I also imagine that with a pop-star like Cormack McCarthy, there were more "groupie" types trying to meet him, etc.

I still don't like feeling (mildly) unwelcome up there, but it just reminds me to "groom" my few connections there *for* invitations when the topic is specifically apt to my line of work/interest.

- Steve

On 2/4/17 1:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others.

Frank Wimberly, PhD

\I don't usually do this

Phone (505) 670-9918
On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve
The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I get e-mails from AAAS and/or Science Magazine asking for money or print subscriptions. The banner on e-mails are like the image attached.

This is plainly an elite globalist sentiment. I looked for a while at their public facing websites, but I don't find anything quite so overt. Apparently their customers respond to these messages but yet they aren't inclined to openly publish them. Hmm.

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Steven A Smith <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 1:33:16 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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Frank -

I still don't like feeling (mildly) unwelcome up there, but it just reminds me to "groom" my few connections there *for* invitations when the topic is specifically apt to my line of work/interest.

- Steve

On 2/4/17 1:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others.

Frank Wimberly, PhD

\I don't usually do this

Phone (505) 670-9918
On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve
The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Nick Thompson

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

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Owen,

No, NO! You don’t understand! The whole goal of the right since Nixon has been to “problematize” reason. Reason has become a position in the argument, where once it was the basic structure of argument. And yes, “we” did make the first move in the sixties with “our” “Don’t trust anybody over 30!” As usual, the left innovates and the right executes. I highly recommend that you all read a little book, Forman, James D., Fascism: The Meaning and Experience of Reactionary Revolution. Dell, 1978. It is a very concise and well written review of all the fascist movements of the first half of the 20^th century. It concludes with the following bit of Whistling in the Dark.

“The United States … is not fertile fascist ground. …[B]ut the radical right does not lack for an issue. Today it is civil rights and the black man. Thrusting ahead energetically, he is making progress. He has his dedicated organizations and he has his hope for the future. Opposed and threatened is the white working class man stuck at a certain income level in a tedious job without much prospect of improvement. He sees the black man coming on at his expense, and this, rather than communism, is likely to be the basis for the rightist extremism of the future. Some have called it the “New American Dilemma,” and such a dilemma is apt to simmer for a long time without overturning the society or the government. The danger in the United states is less from torch light-parading Fascists of the old school than from the apathy of well-meaning citizens.”

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:08 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

Joe Spinden

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

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Yes. I for one find that regrettable.

I have been giving them money for the past few years. 1-2 years ago I gave them more than previously. After that, they implemented the new policy. Not sure if there was a connection, but.. perhaps it is all my fault.

Joe

On 2/4/17 1:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others.

Frank Wimberly, PhD

\I don't usually do this

Phone (505) 670-9918
On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve
The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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-- 
Joe

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

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Frank writes:

< I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others. >

Years ago (maybe not now), it depended on the resident faculty as much as the management. Some had graduate students and postdocs that were tightly-knit and really only had a public facing side in so far as they were pushing out papers. Other faculty were very focused and productive and had few if any junior staff. Still others very much liked entertaining students and colleagues from other universities and even the public. My perception was there was a bias towards the last type of person so much so it got in the way of SFI's ability to do research. If you didn't participate in the wining and dining, the dog and pony shows, or the educational outreach, you were at risk, even if there was some other external dimension on which you were a very visible part of the organization. Further, my perception was that the wining and dining arm of the organization didn't really have a clear picture of the other ways in which the institute did outreach, or care. They only could understand the one they were responsible for, and they viewed it as very much a top-down thing, where most of the researchers weren't at the top.

If there has been a change, I suspect it is more toward reducing distraction, and keeping the signal/noise ratio high. They want/need their official visitors to go away happy with their time there, and having all manner of random people around makes it harder to present the image they want. (I don't mean that in a cynical way, but you can reasonably take it that way if you want.)

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 1:20:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Frank Wimberly, PhD

\I don't usually do this

Phone (505) 670-9918

On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve
The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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Frank Wimberly-2

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That makes sense but I just sat there quietly and listened. No self-aggrandizing questions. And then I left.

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Feb 5, 2017 1:04 PM, "Marcus Daniels" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Frank writes:

< I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others. >

Years ago (maybe not now), it depended on the resident faculty as much as the management. Some had graduate students and postdocs that were tightly-knit and really only had a public facing side in so far as they were pushing out papers. Other faculty were very focused and productive and had few if any junior staff. Still others very much liked entertaining students and colleagues from other universities and even the public. My perception was there was a bias towards the last type of person so much so it got in the way of SFI's ability to do research. If you didn't participate in the wining and dining, the dog and pony shows, or the educational outreach, you were at risk, even if there was some other external dimension on which you were a very visible part of the organization. Further, my perception was that the wining and dining arm of the organization didn't really have a clear picture of the other ways in which the institute did outreach, or care. They only could understand the one they were responsible for, and they viewed it as very much a top-down thing, where most of the researchers weren't at the top.

If there has been a change, I suspect it is more toward reducing distraction, and keeping the signal/noise ratio high. They want/need their official visitors to go away happy with their time there, and having all manner of random people around makes it harder to present the image they want. (I don't mean that in a cynical way, but you can reasonably take it that way if you want.)

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 1:20:53 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world
I don't know about economic equality but they've reduced their embrace of intellectual equality. The public is no longer welcome at their colloquia "without an invitation". Only "community events" are available to others.

Frank Wimberly, PhD

\I don't usually do this

Phone <a href="tel:(505)%20670-9918" value="+15056709918" target="_blank">(505) 670-9918
On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cody-

Nicely noticed!

- Steve
The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Reason and politics collide!

On page 103 of..

https://issuu.com/devonisaiah/docs/santafe_vol2iss2_web

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Owen Densmore <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:18:55 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I'm impressed with SFI's response to the ban on immigrants:

http://web-prod.santafe.edu/news-center/news/dangers-simplicity-complex-world

Starts with:

The recent ban on immigrants to the Unites States is a dangerous and simplistic step that ignores the complexity of our networked world.

-- Owen

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gepr

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

FWIW, I felt fairly unwelcome soon after I left to work in our Agua Fria office (1997 maybe), perhaps since I was merely a research technician rather than any sort of academic. Then it got even worse when they expanded down the hill by staffing a receptionist. I always managed to sneak past without being grilled to badly ... but the concept was clear: do you belong here? Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there. 8^)

On 02/05/2017 03:40 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> That makes sense but I just sat there quietly and listened. No
> self-aggrandizing questions. And then I left.

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway - FRIAM, both the list and the actual gathering at the "mothership" of Santa Fe - has always felt welcoming. It's the only list I've stayed with since its inception. I don't know if there are any SFI lurkers here, but there do seem to be a lot of people who "used to" have some association with it rather than those who are actively involved with it. I've no idea how much is due to a bit of snobbery vs. just simply the fact that the list is open to such a wide range of stuff that isn't interesting to folks interested purely in complexity. I find it easy enough just to delete messages when I get too overwhelmed, confident that they are archived so I can eventually look them over.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:34 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

FWIW, I felt fairly unwelcome soon after I left to work in our Agua Fria office (1997 maybe), perhaps since I was merely a research technician rather than any sort of academic. Then it got even worse when they expanded down the hill by staffing a receptionist. I always managed to sneak past without being grilled to badly ... but the concept was clear: do you belong here? Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there. 8^)

On 02/05/2017 03:40 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> That makes sense but I just sat there quietly and listened. No
> self-aggrandizing questions. And then I left.

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Steve Smith

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I appreciate FriAM, even though I don't attend Friday Congregation very often, or even WedTech Congregation either! The *active* voices here are familiar and even though I may have a lot of different perspectives and opinions, I truly value what I hear here, and more than anything I look forward to one of our *many* lurkers chiming in.

I feel we *don't* discuss as many Complexity topics as I would like, but I like knowing that there are many with strong Complexity backgrounds engaged in the more sociopolitical discussions that seem to dominate.

Since I feel a bit like Glen in his statement "Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there"... I'm enough used to being an outsider or an interloper that I generally can slip into alien situations and keep a low enough profile to not raise alarm or cause disruption.

This forum, being asynchronous and as Gary points out, "easy to delete" feels like a safe place FOR me to speak up above a hushed whisper... so I value it as well.

SFx was intended to be a more open and welcoming environment to share the wealth from... I think we did a moderately good job much of the time, but still missed the mark in at least developing a sustainable funding model.

- Steve

On 2/6/17 11:49 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway - FRIAM, both the list and the actual gathering at the "mothership" of Santa Fe - has always felt welcoming. It's the only list I've stayed with since its inception. I don't know if there are any SFI lurkers here, but there do seem to be a lot of people who "used to" have some association with it rather than those who are actively involved with it. I've no idea how much is due to a bit of snobbery vs. just simply the fact that the list is open to such a wide range of stuff that isn't interesting to folks interested purely in complexity. I find it easy enough just to delete messages when I get too overwhelmed, confident that they are archived so I can eventually look them over.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:34 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

FWIW, I felt fairly unwelcome soon after I left to work in our Agua Fria office (1997 maybe), perhaps since I was merely a research technician rather than any sort of academic. Then it got even worse when they expanded down the hill by staffing a receptionist. I always managed to sneak past without being grilled to badly ... but the concept was clear: do you belong here? Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there. 8^)

On 02/05/2017 03:40 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> That makes sense but I just sat there quietly and listened. No
> self-aggrandizing questions. And then I left.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

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It was satisfying to see Cormac acquire an office and see various people huddle about whether that was allowed. :-) Of course it was!

Marcus
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Owen Densmore

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Administrator

Hope this is not too OT but Mapbox, a huge GIS resource as well as open source provider, has entered an amicus brief opposing the immigration ban executive order:

https://twitter.com/Mapbox/status/828494749770215425

Below is the email that mapbox sent. I found this interesting:

We also added language to our Terms of Service that explicitly prohibit governments or their agents from using our services to target anyone on the basis of their race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, or national origin.

Given Mapbox's importance, this could hurt Trump.

-- Owen

Last night Mapbox joined an amicus brief opposing the immigration ban executive order in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, uniting in solidarity with some of the most amazing companies in America.

These are troubling times. But those of us who can take a stand, must. Join us with a RT and share the full legal text.

We also added language to our Terms of Service that explicitly prohibit governments or their agents from using our services to target anyone on the basis of their race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, or national origin. Our Terms have always prohibited anyone from using our services for the purpose of "aiding or implementing practices violating basic human rights or civil liberties," but we wanted to make it crystal clear that Mapbox services cannot be used to create a Muslim database or anything else that discriminates.

Mapbox will continue to take action to protect our team and our values. And we will update you as we take additional steps.

Kathleen
Legal @ Mapbox

Nick Thompson

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

Dear all,

Steve Smith wrote:

I feel we *don't* discuss as many Complexity topics as I would like,

I will talk about tornado formation, a n y t I m e, Steve.

Seriously, I wonder if the fact that we have stopped talking about complexity might have something to do with the state of play of that field. I reached a point where I began to feel that complexity-talk went on in some alternative universe that, without the initiation and the golden key, I was never going to enter. You will remember, Steve, that I worked for a couple of years, trying to make a translation between that universe and mine, and was never able to manage it. When the working vocabulary of a science is inaccessible to a diligent, moderately intelligent, practitioner of neighboring sciences, does that not limit the development of that science?

By the way, when I first came out here I tried to make contact with SFI. At the time, I wrote up the result in a satirical account, which, to be honest, reeks of sour grapes. Still, in the present context you might find it funny. See attached.

Omitted from this account was one life-changing exchange with Dr. X. At some point, during Phase II of The Ritual Reception and Rejection, I asked him, “Given that The Institute is such a charismatic place, and given that you have no room, where do all the people go when you reject them? There must be a lot of them around Santa Fe.”

I am everlastingly grateful for his response. He thought a very long minute and then scribbled on a Posty and handed it to me. It said, “Call Steve Guerin. FRIAM.”

The rest is history.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 12:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

This forum, being asynchronous and as Gary points out, "easy to delete" feels like a safe place FOR me to speak up above a hushed whisper... so I value it as well.

- Steve

On 2/6/17 11:49 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway - FRIAM, both the list and the actual gathering at the "mothership" of Santa Fe - has always felt welcoming. It's the only list I've stayed with since its inception. I don't know if there are any SFI lurkers here, but there do seem to be a lot of people who "used to" have some association with it rather than those who are actively involved with it. I've no idea how much is due to a bit of snobbery vs. just simply the fact that the list is open to such a wide range of stuff that isn't interesting to folks interested purely in complexity. I find it easy enough just to delete messages when I get too overwhelmed, confident that they are archived so I can eventually look them over.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:34 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:
FWIW, I felt fairly unwelcome soon after I left to work in our Agua Fria office (1997 maybe), perhaps since I was merely a research technician rather than any sort of academic. Then it got even worse when they expanded down the hill by staffing a receptionist. I always managed to sneak past without being grilled to badly ... but the concept was clear: do you belong here? Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there. 8^)

On 02/05/2017 03:40 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> That makes sense but I just sat there quietly and listened. No
> self-aggrandizing questions. And then I left.

--
☣ glen

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gepr

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I continue to be surprised and confused when people (various, going back since I've been on the list) claim we don't talk about complexity. I grant that some bleed from generic tech issues happens ... or perhaps from politics or physics or whatever. But for the most part, every message I read here is dripping with complexity concepts.

Of course, that we don't _call_ the concepts by their buzzwords might trick someone into thinking we're not talking about them. But to that, I say "Yay!" The buzzwords were long-ago hijacked by people who don't have any interest in actually solving problems ... indeeed, whose interest is tied up in keeping the problems going while assuring those with the problems that they, alone, are capable of solving them ... if you'll talk exclusively to them, pay them lots of money, etc.

And to stay on the topic of applied complexity, to be clear, I welcome those gamers' presence in the game. They provide a necessary co-evolutionary foil. But, my defense of them would be lost on some, much the same way my defense of post-modernism is lost on some. >8^D

Your SFI visit report was fun, Nick. Thanks for sending it.

On 02/06/2017 12:39 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Seriously, I wonder if the fact that we have stopped talking about complexity might have something to do with the state of play of that field. I reached a point where I began to feel that complexity-talk went on in some alternative universe that, without the initiation and the golden key, I was never going to enter. You will remember, Steve, that I worked for a couple of years, trying to make a translation between that universe and mine, and was never able to manage it. When the working vocabulary of a science is inaccessible to a diligent, moderately intelligent, practitioner of neighboring sciences, does that not limit the development of that science?

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Merle Lefkoff-2

Re: SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

When I received an unexpected and overly-generous research grant to see how Complex Adaptive Systems science might have something to contribute to the search for coexistence in a world of endless war, I felt like Goldilocks and the Three Bears as a I searched for a home for this windfall. I am not a "scientist" (I'm a social scientist), and I don't write code, so SFI rapidly scooted me out the door; the Advanced Concepts Group at Sandia invited me in, but after attending a few sessions with them I decided they were just blah, blah, and I wanted the REAL complexity science! So I took my grant to CNLS at Los Alamos, where I was greeted with open arms (I was deemed a "domain expert" in terrorism because I had mediated in N. Ireland and the Middle East) and given an office, a computer, post-docs from all over the world, and a title as Guest Scientist and Affiliate--enabling me to present my team's research at conferences in the credential-crazed world of academia.

After four years, I left to reinvigorate our small social-profit organization (we don't like the term "non-profit") and find new partners with whom we could apply the principles and concepts of CAS to peacebuilding. It's been an amazing journey ever since, and FRIAM has been an important part of that journey. Count me among the grateful--even though I leave for awhile when Complexity science is put on the back burner, supplanted by esoteric dialogue that I'm too unschooled to understand.

I just finished teaching a graduate course in Complexity Thinking for Integrative Peacebuilding, and my students were adult learners who work for Trudeau in the Canadian government--many deployed around the world in conflict zones. I've never looked back after getting the boot from SFI. Fuck 'em! And thank you, FRIAM.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear all,

Steve Smith wrote:

I feel we *don't* discuss as many Complexity topics as I would like,

I will talk about tornado formation, a n y   t I m e, Steve.

Seriously, I wonder if the fact that we have stopped talking about complexity might have something to do with the state of play of that field. I reached a point where I began to feel that complexity-talk went on in some alternative universe that, without the initiation and the golden key, I was never going to enter. You will remember, Steve, that I worked for a couple of years, trying to make a translation between that universe and mine, and was never able to manage it. When the working vocabulary of a science is inaccessible to a diligent, moderately intelligent, practitioner of neighboring sciences, does that not limit the development of that science?

By the way, when I first came out here I tried to make contact with SFI. At the time, I wrote up the result in a satirical account, which, to be honest, reeks of sour grapes. Still, in the present context you might find it funny. See attached.

Omitted from this account was one life-changing exchange with Dr. X. At some point, during Phase II of The Ritual Reception and Rejection, I asked him, “Given that The Institute is such a charismatic place, and given that you have no room, where do all the people go when you reject them? There must be a lot of them around Santa Fe.”

I am everlastingly grateful for his response. He thought a very long minute and then scribbled on a Posty and handed it to me. It said, “Call Steve Guerin. FRIAM.”

The rest is history.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 12:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I appreciate FriAM, even though I don't attend Friday Congregation very often, or even WedTech Congregation either!   The *active* voices here are familiar and even though I may have a lot of different perspectives and opinions, I truly value what I hear here, and more than anything I look forward to one of our *many* lurkers chiming in.
I feel we *don't* discuss as many Complexity topics as I would like, but I like knowing that there are many with strong Complexity backgrounds engaged in the more sociopolitical discussions that seem to dominate.
Since I feel a bit like Glen in his statement "Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there"... I'm enough used to being an outsider or an interloper that I generally can slip into alien situations and keep a low enough profile to not raise alarm or cause disruption.
This forum, being asynchronous and as Gary points out, "easy to delete" feels like a safe place FOR me to speak up above a hushed whisper... so I value it as well.
SFx was intended to be a more open and welcoming environment to share the wealth from... I think we did a moderately good job much of the time, but still missed the mark in at least developing a sustainable funding model.
- Steve

On 2/6/17 11:49 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway - FRIAM, both the list and the actual gathering at the "mothership" of Santa Fe - has always felt welcoming. It's the only list I've stayed with since its inception. I don't know if there are any SFI lurkers here, but there do seem to be a lot of people who "used to" have some association with it rather than those who are actively involved with it. I've no idea how much is due to a bit of snobbery vs. just simply the fact that the list is open to such a wide range of stuff that isn't interesting to folks interested purely in complexity. I find it easy enough just to delete messages when I get too overwhelmed, confident that they are archived so I can eventually look them over.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:34 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:
FWIW, I felt fairly unwelcome soon after I left to work in our Agua Fria office (1997 maybe), perhaps since I was merely a research technician rather than any sort of academic. Then it got even worse when they expanded down the hill by staffing a receptionist. I always managed to sneak past without being grilled to badly ... but the concept was clear: do you belong here? Since I don't belong anywhere, I obviously didn't belong there. 8^)

On 02/05/2017 03:40 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> That makes sense but I just sat there quietly and listened. No
> self-aggrandizing questions. And then I left.

--
☣ glen

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