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This is an essay by Anne La Mott that I came across 4 years ago. It may seem that a late middle-aged non-scientist could not could contribute philosophical thoughts that are worthy of the heights of Friam but I find that it integrates the sublime and the ridiculous quite well. Kind of like Friam meetings. The posts on the List are a little more coherent. I was ten years old when she was born. She is a successful novelist, essayist, and short-story writer. "I am going to be 61 years old in 48 hours. Wow. I thought i was only forty-seven, but looking over the paperwork, I see that I was born in 1954. My inside self does not have an age, although can't help mentioning as an aside that it might have been useful had I not followed the Skin Care rules of the sixties, ie to get as much sun as possible, while slathered in baby oil. (My sober friend Paul O said, at eighty, that he felt like a young man who had something wrong with him.). Anyway, I thought I might take the opportunity to write down every single thing I know, as of today. 1. All truth is a paradox. Life is a precious unfathomably beautiful gift; and it is impossible here, on the incarnational side of things. It has been a very bad match for those of us who were born extremely sensitive. It is so hard and weird that we wonder if we are being punked. And it filled with heartbreaking sweetness and beauty, floods and babies and acne and Mozart, all swirled together. 2. Almost everything will work again if you unplug it for a few minutes, including you. 3. There is almost nothing outside of you that will help in any kind of last way, unless you are waiting for an organ. You can't buy, achieve, or date it. This is the most horrible truth. 4. Everyone is screwed up, broken, clingy, and scared, even the people who seem to have it more or less together. They are much more like you than you would believe. So try not to compare your insides to their outsides. Also, you can't save, fix or rescue any of them, or get any of them sober. But radical self-care is quantum, and radiates out into the atmosphere, like a little fresh air. It is a huge gift to the world. When people respond by saying, "Well, isn't she full of herself," smile obliquely, like Mona Lisa, and make both of you a nice cup of tea. 5. Chocolate with 70% cacao is not actually a food. It's best use is as bait in snake traps. 6. Writing: shitty first drafts. Butt in chair. Just do it. You own everything that happened to you. You are going to feel like hell if you never write the stuff that is tugging on the sleeves in your heart--your stories, visions, memories, songs: your truth, your version of things, in your voice. That is really all you have to offer us, and it's why you were born 7. Publication and temporary creative successes are something you have to recover from. They kill as many people as not. They will hurt, damage and change you in ways you cannot imagine. The most degraded and sometimes nearly-evil men I have known were all writers who'd had bestsellers. Yet, it is also a miracle to get your work published (see #1.). Just try to bust yourself gently of the fantasy that publication will heal you, will fill the Swiss cheesey holes. It won't, it can't. But writing can. So can singing. 8. Families; hard, hard, hard, no matter how cherished and astonishing they may also be. (See #1 again.) At family gatherings where you suddenly feel homicidal or suicidal, remember that in half of all cases, it's a miracle that this annoying person even lived. Earth is Forgiveness School. You might as well start at the dinner table. That way, you can do this work in comfortable pants. When Blake said that we are here to learn to endure the beams of love, he knew that your family would be an intimate part of this, even as you want to run screaming for your cute little life. But that you are up to it. You can do it, Cinderellie. You will be amazed. 9. Food; try to do a little better. 10. Grace: Spiritual WD-40. Water wings. The mystery of grace is that God loves Dick Cheney and me exactly as much as He or She loves your grandchild. Go figure. The movement of grace is what changes us, heals us and our world. To summon grace, say, "Help!" And then buckle up. Grace won't look like Casper the Friendly Ghost; but the phone will ring, or the mail will come, and then against all odds, you will get your sense of humor about yourself back. Laughter really is carbonated holiness, even if you are sick of me saying it. 11. God; Goodnesss, Love energy, the Divine, a loving animating intelligence, the Cosmic Muffin. You will worship and serve something, so like St. Bob said, you gotta choose. You can play on our side, or Bill Maher's and Franklin Graham's. Emerson said that the happiest person on earth is the one who learns from nature the lessons of worship. So go outside a lot, and look up. My pastor says you can trap bees on the floor of a Mason jar without a lid, because they don't look up. If they did, they could fly to freedom. 11. Faith: Paul Tillich said the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. If I could say one thing to our little Tea Party friends, it would be this. Fundamentalism, in all its forms, is 90% of the reason the world is so terrifying. 3% is the existence of snakes. The love of our incredible dogs and cats is the closest most of us will come, on this side of eternity, to knowing the direct love of God; although cats can be so bitter, which is not the god part: the crazy Love is. Also, "Figure it out" is not a good slogan. 12. Jesus; Jesus would have even loved horrible, mealy-mouth self-obsessed you, as if you were the only person on earth. But He would hope that you would perhaps pull yourself together just the tiniest, tiniest bit--maybe have a little something to eat, and a nap. 13. Exercise: If you want to have a good life after you have grown a little less young, you must walk almost every day. There is no way around this. If you are in a wheelchair, you must do chair exercises. Every single doctor on earth will tell you this, so don't go by what I say. 14. Death; wow. So f-ing hard to bear, when the few people you cannot live without die. You will never get over these losses, and are not supposed to. We Christians like to think death is a major change of address, but in any case, the person will live fully again in your heart, at some point, and make you smile at the MOST inappropriate times. But their absence will also be a lifelong nightmare of homesickness for you. All truth is a paradox. Grief, friends, time and tears will heal you. Tears will bathe and baptize and hydrate you and the ground on which you walk. The first thing God says to Moses is, "Take off your shoes." We are on holy ground. Hard to believe, but the truest thing I know. I think that's it, everything I know. I wish I had shoe-horned in what E.L. Doctorow said about writing: "It's like driving at night with the headlights on. You can only see a little aways ahead of you, but you can make the whole journey that way." I love that, because it's teue about everything we tey. I wish I had slipped in what Ram Das said, that when all is said and done, we're just all walking each other home. Oh, well, another time. God bless you all good." ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Frank, Thanks for sending that along. See, that’s why I never became a famous author. I didn’t want to become one of those evil guys. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly This is an essay by Anne La Mott that I came across 4 years ago. It may seem that a late middle-aged non-scientist could not could contribute philosophical thoughts that are worthy of the heights of Friam but I find that it integrates the sublime and the ridiculous quite well. Kind of like Friam meetings. The posts on the List are a little more coherent. I was ten years old when she was born. She is a successful novelist, essayist, and short-story writer. "I am going to be 61 years old in 48 hours. Wow. I thought i was only forty-seven, but looking over the paperwork, I see that I was born in 1954. My inside self does not have an age, although can't help mentioning as an aside that it might have been useful had I not followed the Skin Care rules of the sixties, ie to get as much sun as possible, while slathered in baby oil. (My sober friend Paul O said, at eighty, that he felt like a young man who had something wrong with him.). Anyway, I thought I might take the opportunity to write down every single thing I know, as of today. 1. All truth is a paradox. Life is a precious unfathomably beautiful gift; and it is impossible here, on the incarnational side of things. It has been a very bad match for those of us who were born extremely sensitive. It is so hard and weird that we wonder if we are being punked. And it filled with heartbreaking sweetness and beauty, floods and babies and acne and Mozart, all swirled together. 2. Almost everything will work again if you unplug it for a few minutes, including you. 3. There is almost nothing outside of you that will help in any kind of last way, unless you are waiting for an organ. You can't buy, achieve, or date it. This is the most horrible truth. 4. Everyone is screwed up, broken, clingy, and scared, even the people who seem to have it more or less together. They are much more like you than you would believe. So try not to compare your insides to their outsides. Also, you can't save, fix or rescue any of them, or get any of them sober. But radical self-care is quantum, and radiates out into the atmosphere, like a little fresh air. It is a huge gift to the world. When people respond by saying, "Well, isn't she full of herself," smile obliquely, like Mona Lisa, and make both of you a nice cup of tea. 5. Chocolate with 70% cacao is not actually a food. It's best use is as bait in snake traps. 6. Writing: shitty first drafts. Butt in chair. Just do it. You own everything that happened to you. You are going to feel like hell if you never write the stuff that is tugging on the sleeves in your heart--your stories, visions, memories, songs: your truth, your version of things, in your voice. That is really all you have to offer us, and it's why you were born 7. Publication and temporary creative successes are something you have to recover from. They kill as many people as not. They will hurt, damage and change you in ways you cannot imagine. The most degraded and sometimes nearly-evil men I have known were all writers who'd had bestsellers. Yet, it is also a miracle to get your work published (see #1.). Just try to bust yourself gently of the fantasy that publication will heal you, will fill the Swiss cheesey holes. It won't, it can't. But writing can. So can singing. 8. Families; hard, hard, hard, no matter how cherished and astonishing they may also be. (See #1 again.) At family gatherings where you suddenly feel homicidal or suicidal, remember that in half of all cases, it's a miracle that this annoying person even lived. Earth is Forgiveness School. You might as well start at the dinner table. That way, you can do this work in comfortable pants. When Blake said that we are here to learn to endure the beams of love, he knew that your family would be an intimate part of this, even as you want to run screaming for your cute little life. But that you are up to it. You can do it, Cinderellie. You will be amazed. 9. Food; try to do a little better. 10. Grace: Spiritual WD-40. Water wings. The mystery of grace is that God loves Dick Cheney and me exactly as much as He or She loves your grandchild. Go figure. The movement of grace is what changes us, heals us and our world. To summon grace, say, "Help!" And then buckle up. Grace won't look like Casper the Friendly Ghost; but the phone will ring, or the mail will come, and then against all odds, you will get your sense of humor about yourself back. Laughter really is carbonated holiness, even if you are sick of me saying it. 11. God; Goodnesss, Love energy, the Divine, a loving animating intelligence, the Cosmic Muffin. You will worship and serve something, so like St. Bob said, you gotta choose. You can play on our side, or Bill Maher's and Franklin Graham's. Emerson said that the happiest person on earth is the one who learns from nature the lessons of worship. So go outside a lot, and look up. My pastor says you can trap bees on the floor of a Mason jar without a lid, because they don't look up. If they did, they could fly to freedom. 11. Faith: Paul Tillich said the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. If I could say one thing to our little Tea Party friends, it would be this. Fundamentalism, in all its forms, is 90% of the reason the world is so terrifying. 3% is the existence of snakes. The love of our incredible dogs and cats is the closest most of us will come, on this side of eternity, to knowing the direct love of God; although cats can be so bitter, which is not the god part: the crazy Love is. Also, "Figure it out" is not a good slogan. 12. Jesus; Jesus would have even loved horrible, mealy-mouth self-obsessed you, as if you were the only person on earth. But He would hope that you would perhaps pull yourself together just the tiniest, tiniest bit--maybe have a little something to eat, and a nap. 13. Exercise: If you want to have a good life after you have grown a little less young, you must walk almost every day. There is no way around this. If you are in a wheelchair, you must do chair exercises. Every single doctor on earth will tell you this, so don't go by what I say. 14. Death; wow. So f-ing hard to bear, when the few people you cannot live without die. You will never get over these losses, and are not supposed to. We Christians like to think death is a major change of address, but in any case, the person will live fully again in your heart, at some point, and make you smile at the MOST inappropriate times. But their absence will also be a lifelong nightmare of homesickness for you. All truth is a paradox. Grief, friends, time and tears will heal you. Tears will bathe and baptize and hydrate you and the ground on which you walk. The first thing God says to Moses is, "Take off your shoes." We are on holy ground. Hard to believe, but the truest thing I know. I think that's it, everything I know. I wish I had shoe-horned in what E.L. Doctorow said about writing: "It's like driving at night with the headlights on. You can only see a little aways ahead of you, but you can make the whole journey that way." I love that, because it's teue about everything we tey. I wish I had slipped in what Ram Das said, that when all is said and done, we're just all walking each other home. Oh, well, another time. God bless you all good." ----------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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On 4/14/19 7:06 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> 11. God; Goodnesss, Love energy, the Divine, a loving animating > intelligence, the Cosmic Muffin. You will worship and serve something, so > like St. Bob said, you gotta choose. You can play on our side, or Bill > Maher's and Franklin Graham's. Would anyone care to explain the "our side" versus that of Bill Maher and Franklin Graham? My guess is that she sees Bill Maher as a fundamentalist, too, albeit an atheist fundamentalist? Or perhaps both Graham and Maher are Islamaphobes; so the "them" would be those who use religion to stoke fear? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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The cosmic muffin people seem to think that it Is important to think nice things (of course defined by them) and that nice things will happen as a result. They fail to see how they are a source of negative entropy and thus in fact an energy barrier for the larger population, and more often than not a tyrannical one. No, we all need to suffer and sort it out for ourselves. Spiritual freeloaders are not welcome -- they are just dangerous force amplifiers for `leaders' who in the end make a mess of everything.
On 4/15/19, 7:33 AM, "glen∈ℂ" <[hidden email]> wrote: On 4/14/19 7:06 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > 11. God; Goodnesss, Love energy, the Divine, a loving animating > intelligence, the Cosmic Muffin. You will worship and serve something, so > like St. Bob said, you gotta choose. You can play on our side, or Bill > Maher's and Franklin Graham's. Would anyone care to explain the "our side" versus that of Bill Maher and Franklin Graham? My guess is that she sees Bill Maher as a fundamentalist, too, albeit an atheist fundamentalist? Or perhaps both Graham and Maher are Islamaphobes; so the "them" would be those who use religion to stoke fear? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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I've never heard of the Cosmic Muffin. But your description sounds like something a friend was into:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_%28book%29 He and his SO at the time suggested I watch the movie with an open mind. So, I did, and subsequently wrote these two log entries: https://gepr.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/law-of-attraction/ https://gepr.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/law-of-attraction-again/ I re-read those entries before sending this to be sure my self from 4-5 years ago doesn't sound too stupid. But, IDK. Life's too short to be embarrassed. On 4/15/19 8:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The cosmic muffin people seem to think that it Is important to think nice things (of course defined by them) and that nice things will happen as a result. They fail to see how they are a source of negative entropy and thus in fact an energy barrier for the larger population, and more often than not a tyrannical one. No, we all need to suffer and sort it out for ourselves. Spiritual freeloaders are not welcome -- they are just dangerous force amplifiers for `leaders' who in the end make a mess of everything. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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I can't get into the details, but I was recently in a situation where I was very confident of a risk to some people I know. It turns out this risk became a reality and it played out almost exactly as I expected. I even warned in an edgy way to the point of hurting their feelings. It was positive thinking that got them in trouble. They assumed boundaries on the actions of others that I did not assume.
On 4/15/19, 9:27 AM, "uǝlƃ ☣" <[hidden email]> wrote: I've never heard of the Cosmic Muffin. But your description sounds like something a friend was into: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_%28book%29 He and his SO at the time suggested I watch the movie with an open mind. So, I did, and subsequently wrote these two log entries: https://gepr.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/law-of-attraction/ https://gepr.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/law-of-attraction-again/ I re-read those entries before sending this to be sure my self from 4-5 years ago doesn't sound too stupid. But, IDK. Life's too short to be embarrassed. On 4/15/19 8:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The cosmic muffin people seem to think that it Is important to think nice things (of course defined by them) and that nice things will happen as a result. They fail to see how they are a source of negative entropy and thus in fact an energy barrier for the larger population, and more often than not a tyrannical one. No, we all need to suffer and sort it out for ourselves. Spiritual freeloaders are not welcome -- they are just dangerous force amplifiers for `leaders' who in the end make a mess of everything. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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No error is worse than conflating the map with the territory.
On 4/15/19 9:47 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I can't get into the details, but I was recently in a situation where I was very confident of a risk to some people I know. It turns out this risk became a reality and it played out almost exactly as I expected. I even warned in an edgy way to the point of hurting their feelings. It was positive thinking that got them in trouble. They assumed boundaries on the actions of others that I did not assume. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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I first encountered "Cosmic Muffin" in the song "Deteriorata" from the National Lampoon Radio Dinner Album in 1972. Actually heard it on the Dr Demento show. Carl On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM uǝlƃ ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: I've never heard of the Cosmic Muffin. But your description sounds like something a friend was into: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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And anyway he’s dead. From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> I first encountered "Cosmic Muffin" in the song "Deteriorata" from the National Lampoon Radio Dinner Album in 1972. Actually heard it on the Dr Demento show.
Carl On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM uǝlƃ
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Who? The cosmic muffin? Has gender? ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 4:38 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I had the impression La Mott was just using Cosmic Muffin as a turn of phrase in her objectionable assertion that we all worship something. But it was also a person, http://obituaries.salemnews.com/obituary/cosmic-muffin-772046361 From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> Who? The cosmic muffin? Has gender? ----------------------------------- On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 4:38 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I don't know you en vivo, Marcus, but do you deny that there exists something that you worship or are you saying that there are no people who worship nothing? I am tempted to write that in predicate calculus. In my experience some people worship science as the royal road to the truth. Nick's attachment to Peirce reminds me of some religious people's behavior, including quoting scripture. I have a similar relationship to psychoanalytic theory. I agree with you that La Mott meant that the conventional religions were not the only options when she mentioned the Muffin and St. Bob (Dylan).
(I used to work in the Research Center in Child Psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh. The Department of Psychiatry at that time was dominated by psychoanalysts.) Frank ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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People are prone to rationalizing their investments as their preferences. For example, some might claim they bought a house because they want a home. Another valid reason is to have equity, recognizing the practical need for shelter.
Whatever the claimed motive, it is expected people will protect their investments, but it is not necessary to worship or believe in them. It is appropriate that we all have expiration dates because we will protect our investments to the harm of the greater
good. From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> I don't know you en vivo, Marcus, but do you deny that there exists something that you worship or are you saying that there are no people who worship nothing? I am tempted to write that in predicate calculus. In my experience some people
worship science as the royal road to the truth. Nick's attachment to Peirce reminds me of some religious people's behavior, including quoting scripture. I have a similar relationship to psychoanalytic theory. I agree with you that La Mott meant that the
conventional religions were not the only options when she mentioned the Muffin and St. Bob (Dylan).
(I used to work in the Research Center in Child Psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh. The Department of Psychiatry at that time was dominated by psychoanalysts.) Frank ----------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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> On Apr 16, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote: > > do you deny that there exists something that you worship or are you saying that there are no people who worship nothing? I am tempted to write that in predicate calculus. and this is why I have stayed on FRIAM over all these years (among other reasons) ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Dear Frank, We octogenarian former academics have to do what we can. Lacking laboratories, libraries, secretaries graduate students, seminars, colloquia and all the other joys of academic life, the one thing we CAN do is buy a few books and study them carefully. So that’s what I do. FRIAM has helped me stay alive as a mind by humoring me as I come to terms with Peirce. Thanks to you all. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly I don't know you en vivo, Marcus, but do you deny that there exists something that you worship or are you saying that there are no people who worship nothing? I am tempted to write that in predicate calculus. In my experience some people worship science as the royal road to the truth. Nick's attachment to Peirce reminds me of some religious people's behavior, including quoting scripture. I have a similar relationship to psychoanalytic theory. I agree with you that La Mott meant that the conventional religions were not the only options when she mentioned the Muffin and St. Bob (Dylan). (I used to work in the Research Center in Child Psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh. The Department of Psychiatry at that time was dominated by psychoanalysts.) Frank ----------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Nick, No criticism intended. We're all the same in so many ways. Frank ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 10:52 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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And here I thought "St. Bob" referred to this guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs On April 15, 2019 5:23:32 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote: > St. Bob (Dylan). -- glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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"You've got to serve somebody." Or something like that. Frank ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 2:32 AM glen <[hidden email]> wrote: And here I thought "St. Bob" referred to this guy: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Well, there are at least 2 ways I disagree:
1) Any ecological individual serves multiple bodies at once, and 2) Any one can serve different bodies at different moments. That we serve multiples presents a difference in degree so that there's a threshold for the number of bodies one serves. Those that serve many many purposes (religions, saints, jobs, whatever) may *seem* as if they serve nobody. Similarly, those of us who switch our affiliations on a minute-by-minute basis, may *seem* not to serve any one body. So, if your gist is that those who *seem* to not serve somebody are really serving many bodies or rapidly switching affiliations, then I agree. But if you insist on an artificial unification, then I disagree. I worship Bob Dylan just about as much as I worship Bob of the CotSG. I worship Eris just a tad more, obviously. =><= And the Cosmic Muffin seemed to be the same, being a gay, Republican, Catholic, astrologer. On 4/16/19 1:34 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > "You've got to serve somebody." ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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In a gig economy, I don't see how "serve" is very meaningful, never mind "worship".
I think the Gen Y folks are right to be (supposedly) selfish and indifferent to the needs of the organization. No one else will look out for them in the workforce. On 4/16/19, 8:48 AM, "Friam on behalf of glen∈ℂ" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote: Well, there are at least 2 ways I disagree: 1) Any ecological individual serves multiple bodies at once, and 2) Any one can serve different bodies at different moments. That we serve multiples presents a difference in degree so that there's a threshold for the number of bodies one serves. Those that serve many many purposes (religions, saints, jobs, whatever) may *seem* as if they serve nobody. Similarly, those of us who switch our affiliations on a minute-by-minute basis, may *seem* not to serve any one body. So, if your gist is that those who *seem* to not serve somebody are really serving many bodies or rapidly switching affiliations, then I agree. But if you insist on an artificial unification, then I disagree. I worship Bob Dylan just about as much as I worship Bob of the CotSG. I worship Eris just a tad more, obviously. =><= And the Cosmic Muffin seemed to be the same, being a gay, Republican, Catholic, astrologer. On 4/16/19 1:34 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > "You've got to serve somebody." ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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