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http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
today around 9am pst -- Giles Bowkett http://www.gilesgoatboy.org http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com |
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Oh dear, I just dropped my cell phone.
On the concrete. From, oh, say, 10 feet. How sad... Giles Bowkett wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > today around 9am pst > > |
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They need to work on the ergonomics of that thing.
;-} Wipe the saliva off of your chin, Carl. -- Doug Roberts, RTI International droberts at rti.org doug at parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On 1/9/07, Carl Tollander <carl at plektyx.com> wrote: > > Oh dear, I just dropped my cell phone. > > On the concrete. > > From, oh, say, 10 feet. > > How sad... > > Giles Bowkett wrote: > > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > > > today around 9am pst > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20070109/a4311d41/attachment.html |
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Carl Tollander wrote:
> Oh dear, I just dropped my cell phone. > Cingular EDGE is ok in Santa Fe, but not great. I'd say limit expectations for web browsing, etc. As far as GPRS/EDGE coverage goes, heading north to the Pacific Northwest on highways, coverage was must better than last year. A great idea to abandon the stylus! |
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> They need to work on the ergonomics of that thing. > > ;-} > > Wipe the saliva off of your chin, Carl. Oh, it's not that cool. It doesn't have an electric razor to shave with on your way to work. Heck, a Swiss Army knife has more stuff - the iPhone doesn't have a toothpick, a magnifying glass, or a pair of tweezers. Of course, since I play a professional bad guy in red teaming, my first thought is how many of the features would be useful for a black bag job. Lots of memory to suck down documents, lots of wireless to connect to systems and make them spill their guts, instant comm back to base, camera, video playback, maps and instructions for getting out.... While I can imagine the iPhone as the latest product placement gadget in a James Bond movie, it might steal the stage from James. -- Ray Parks rcparks at sandia.gov IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024 IORTA Department Mobile:505-238-9359 http://www.sandia.gov/scada Fax:505-844-9641 http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288 |
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There will probably be some aftermarket for the electric razor,
toothpicks, iTweeze (tm), etc., just like for iPods. Pity it costs iTeeth. Of course, when you drop it, it will probably land butter-side down. Raymond Parks wrote: > Douglas Roberts wrote: > >> They need to work on the ergonomics of that thing. >> >> ;-} >> >> Wipe the saliva off of your chin, Carl. >> > > Oh, it's not that cool. It doesn't have an electric razor to shave > with on your way to work. Heck, a Swiss Army knife has more stuff - the > iPhone doesn't have a toothpick, a magnifying glass, or a pair of tweezers. > > Of course, since I play a professional bad guy in red teaming, my > first thought is how many of the features would be useful for a black > bag job. Lots of memory to suck down documents, lots of wireless to > connect to systems and make them spill their guts, instant comm back to > base, camera, video playback, maps and instructions for getting out.... > While I can imagine the iPhone as the latest product placement gadget > in a James Bond movie, it might steal the stage from James. > > |
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Has anyone determined if the iPhone will be available unlocked? And
if so, for how much? I'd really hate to have to switch from TMobile to Cingular just for this critter, but I would if I have to. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > today around 9am pst > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com > http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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This doesn't make it sound promising:
http://tinyurl.com/ybsylm It's interesting that Apple's stock went up over 8 percent today while that of AT&T (owner of Cingular) went up only about 0.4 percent. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz (505) 995-8715 or (505) 670-9918 (cell) Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimberly3 at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:24 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] apple announces iphone Has anyone determined if the iPhone will be available unlocked? And if so, for how much? I'd really hate to have to switch from TMobile to Cingular just for this critter, but I would if I have to. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > today around 9am pst > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com > http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Apparently many folks were also concerned that Cingular is such a
shitty carrier. http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/09/1857231 Just search for "unlocked". -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > This doesn't make it sound promising: > > http://tinyurl.com/ybsylm > > It's interesting that Apple's stock went up over 8 percent today while > that of AT&T (owner of Cingular) went up only about 0.4 percent. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz (505) 995-8715 or (505) 670-9918 > (cell) > Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimberly3 at earthlink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On > Behalf Of Owen Densmore > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:24 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] apple announces iphone > > Has anyone determined if the iPhone will be available unlocked? And > if so, for how much? > > I'd really hate to have to switch from TMobile to Cingular just for > this critter, but I would if I have to. > > -- Owen > > Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote: > >> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >> >> today around 9am pst >> >> -- >> Giles Bowkett >> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org >> http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com >> http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Interesting that it uses multitouch. Anyone know if its the a variant of Jeff
Han's approach (http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/) that we've discussed? Or is it something else? -S > -----Original Message----- > From: Giles Bowkett [mailto:gilesb at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:10 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: [FRIAM] apple announces iphone > > http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ > > today around 9am pst > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com > http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > |
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There are a lot of sub-plots to this. One I like is the whole Linux
for Devices thing. I got the Nokia 770 web tablet and was amazed how little support Nokia gave to the linux platform it used. Similarly, I know the Linux guy at Motorola, and they too have a weak Linux platform approach. It took Apple (note: no longer Apple Computer .. they do more than that .. so changed their name to just Apple Co.) to port the linux/unix/mach based OS X to small devices. In other words, all the other players were just playing, not serious. Apple is going to really change the fundamentals of phones and PDA-like devices. They really get "convergence" and are willing to work HARD at making it real. So long Treo. Nokia, go hide. Windows Mobile, OK for some but...not most. Apple has just taken the lead. Another interesting thing here is the "second UI". Those of us who've used the Mac "Front Row" UI with the Apple Remote have been exposed to an entirely new UI. Sorta iPod on steroids. And you know? .. its not bad! I found myself staring at the UI, then downloading Remote Buddy, a software stunt that vastly extends Front Row to all apps and has simple plugins for managing all your apps with that new UI. At first I thought it was weird, but now I see it is a unified attack. It will make iTV a really interesting interface. And naturally ditto for the iPhone. I'm not a fanboy here. Very skeptical of Stevie. He's not a friendly. Note Cingular. But he does truly have a wide, coordinated vision for Apple Computer^W Co. And he's the only one willing to commit. Really commit .. to the hard work of making the new digital devices really work. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net |
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> In other words, all the other players were just playing, not serious. I think Microsoft is starting to get serious with Windows Mobile, but of course they won't do a good job until they really see a major market and the certainty of losing it. I hope the iPhone is a better product, across the board, because in this day and age this stuff really ought to work right. (And it would be funny if it really is, because the Windows CE platform has been around so long, and this is Apple's first generation embedding of MacOS X. ) |
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Hash: SHA1 Owen, I was unable to find the unlocked posts you mention. I like this new phone, but I would prefer an unlocked version so that I can swap out the SIM when I go overseas. Do you have any more info on unlocking the iPhone? - -- Best regards, Justin Lyon M: +423 663 168892 (Worldwide) M: +351 91 9075629 (Lisbon, Portugal) M: +44 781 480 2797 (London, UK) O: +1 210 787-3498 (San Antonio, USA) O: +44 20 8144 4072 (London, UK) E: justin at simudyne.com W: http://www.simudyne.com Owen Densmore wrote: > Apparently many folks were also concerned that Cingular is such a > shitty carrier. > http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/09/1857231 > Just search for "unlocked". > > -- Owen > > Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net > > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > >> This doesn't make it sound promising: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/ybsylm >> >> It's interesting that Apple's stock went up over 8 percent today while >> that of AT&T (owner of Cingular) went up only about 0.4 percent. >> >> Frank >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz (505) 995-8715 or (505) 670-9918 >> (cell) >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimberly3 at earthlink.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On >> Behalf Of Owen Densmore >> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:24 PM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] apple announces iphone >> >> Has anyone determined if the iPhone will be available unlocked? And >> if so, for how much? >> >> I'd really hate to have to switch from TMobile to Cingular just for >> this critter, but I would if I have to. >> >> -- Owen >> >> Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote: >> >>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >>> >>> today around 9am pst >>> >>> -- >>> Giles Bowkett >>> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org >>> http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com >>> http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFpMtNhfoqghrmIrARAh1QAKCua+fQE6+Onmfw+ncM9K1MzUiJeQCcDM/V vOTd8UkcJ3cHJF1USx0TWG4= =EqY9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Sorry for not being clear: My suggestion was to go to the /. article,
with comments, and search for "unlocked" in the comments. It showed how much others, like both you and me, want to get an unlocked version for using with a better provider than Cingular, who by all accounts, really sucks in terms of service. TMobile, on the other hand, here in the US, is great for service, but lousy for phones. So I'm hoping to be able to keep TMobile, yet use the iPhone. If history is a guide, the Cingular phones will be available on eBay within days of their availability from Cingular. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:17 AM, Justin Lyon wrote: > Owen, > > I was unable to find the unlocked posts you mention. I like this new > phone, but I would prefer an unlocked version so that I can swap > out the > SIM when I go overseas. > > Do you have any more info on unlocking the iPhone? > > - -- > Best regards, > > Justin Lyon > > M: +423 663 168892 (Worldwide) > > M: +351 91 9075629 (Lisbon, Portugal) > M: +44 781 480 2797 (London, UK) > > O: +1 210 787-3498 (San Antonio, USA) > O: +44 20 8144 4072 (London, UK) > E: justin at simudyne.com > W: http://www.simudyne.com > > Owen Densmore wrote: >> Apparently many folks were also concerned that Cingular is such a >> shitty carrier. >> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/09/1857231 >> Just search for "unlocked". >> >> -- Owen >> >> Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net >> >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> >>> This doesn't make it sound promising: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/ybsylm >>> >>> It's interesting that Apple's stock went up over 8 percent today >>> while >>> that of AT&T (owner of Cingular) went up only about 0.4 percent. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> --- >>> Frank C. Wimberly >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz (505) 995-8715 or (505) 670-9918 >>> (cell) >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 wimberly3 at earthlink.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam- >>> bounces at redfish.com] On >>> Behalf Of Owen Densmore >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:24 PM >>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] apple announces iphone >>> >>> Has anyone determined if the iPhone will be available unlocked? And >>> if so, for how much? >>> >>> I'd really hate to have to switch from TMobile to Cingular just for >>> this critter, but I would if I have to. >>> >>> -- Owen >>> >>> Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net >>> >>> >>> On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Giles Bowkett wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/ >>>> >>>> today around 9am pst >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Giles Bowkett >>>> http://www.gilesgoatboy.org >>>> http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com >>>> http://gilesgoatboy.blogspot.com >>>> |
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David Pogue's report on the iPhone:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-time-with-the- iphone/ -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net |
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Oops. The iPhone may not be called the iPhone for much longer:
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/01/10/2320257.shtml Meanwhile in the UK... http://tinyurl.com/ycojk8 R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20070111/b699b5d4/attachment.html |
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Or maybe it will.
" ...Comwave, Nuvio and Teledex are all using the brand in different ways" from the NYT longer article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/technology/11apple.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Is "iPhone" a "kleenex" already? Robert C Robert Holmes wrote: > Oops. The iPhone may not be called the iPhone for much longer: > http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/01/10/2320257.shtml > > Meanwhile in the UK... > http://tinyurl.com/ycojk8 > > R > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >============================================================ >FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20070111/beebda56/attachment.html |
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Kleenex. Xerox. It's "the" iPhone, whatever they call it legally.
C Robert Holmes wrote: > Oops. The iPhone may not be called the iPhone for much longer: > http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/01/10/2320257.shtml > > Meanwhile in the UK... > http://tinyurl.com/ycojk8 > > R > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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David Pogue has put together a FAQ on the iPhone.
http://tinyurl.com/y9ml2t Looks pretty grim, at least if you want an unlocked and open phone platform. I attach the text for your convenience. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net The Ultimate iPhone Frequently Asked Questions Wow. Predictably, the torrent ? and I do mean torrent ? of iPhone commentary from the citizens of the Web is practically outflooding spam this week. Most of it comes from people whose shirt fronts are practically drenched in drool. Plenty is negative and bitter. Another huge category is iPhone questions. Never mind that many of these questions either (a) have been answered by Apple, either on its elaborate, interactive Web site or the free video of Steve Jobs?s speech, or (b) come from people who fantasize about fitting the iPhone into their own particular wish lists. (My favorite sarcastic comment, which was a response to these responses, which were in response to my last blog entry: ?Yeah, yeah, yeah, but can you use it underwater? And can you recharge it using solar power? And does it have an optical scanner that detects your eyeball movements so that you merely have to look at a name in your contacts list and blink in order to choose and call him? Apple, you have a long way to go??) Anyway, here it is: the ultimate iPhone Frequently Asked Questions list, complete with answers. ANSWERS TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS: Can it be used with anything but Cingular? ?No. Is it an ?unlocked? phone, so I can use it with a carrier other than Cingular? ?No. Will there be a non-Cingular version? ?Not within the first two years. Can I put my T-Mobile SIM card in it instead of Cingular? ?No. But what if I keep asking? Then will it be available beyond Cingular? ?No. Can it run Mac OS X programs? ?No. Can I add new programs to it? ?No. Apple wants to control the look and feel and behavior of every aspect of the phone. Does it run programs from Palm, Symbian, Windows? ?No. Does it connect to iChat? ?No. Does it have games? ?No. Is it ambidextrous? ?No. Does it have GPS? ?No. Voice recognition? Voice dialing? Voice memos? ?No, although this could change by June when the phone ships. Does it get onto the HSDPA (3G) high-speed Internet network that Cingular has rolled out in a few cities? ?No. But Steve Jobs said a later version of the iPhone will ? once there?s enough HSDPA coverage in this country to justify it. Does the Web browser support Flash or Java? ?No. Will it play music over Bluetooth? ?Unknown. Can you change the battery yourself? ?No. You?ll have to send the phone in to Apple for battery replacement, just as with the iPods. Can it open Word and Excel documents? ?No. (Steve Jobs says it can open PDF files, though.) Can you use it one-handed? ?Yes, for some functions. But overall, it?s less convenient than on a phone with physical keys. Can I make a call while driving a car? ?Not as easily as on a regular cellphone with programmed speed-dial keys. (Besides?MUST you?) Does the camera record video? ?Not yet. Apple may add this feature by June. Does it connect to standard iPod accessories like car docks and speaker systems? ?Yes! Does it work overseas? ?Yes. It?s a quad-band GSM phone, meaning you can use it in almost any country (for an added fee, of course). Is there a Verizon version? ?NO!!!! Will they make a non-cellphone version?a widescreen touch iPod? ? Nobody knows. Apple doesn?t leak product info until it?s good and ready. That scrolling through lists thing is glitzy, but what if I have 3,000 names in my address book? ?There?s also an alphabet ?index tab? down the right side of the screen, so you can jump to another spot in the list. Is there a calendar? ?Yes. Will it sync with Outlook? ?No. What about airplane use? ?It has a airplane mode (wireless off), just like any cellphone. Won?t the screen get smudgy? ?It does, but you don?t see it except when the screen is off. The one I played with was pretty streaky, but wiping it on my sleeve cleaned it completely. Who on earth would buy this thing? ?Obviously not people who ask this question. But that?s OK?there?s no requirement that everyone buy the iPhone. More for the rest of us! |
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