apple announces iphone

[Steve Smith]

allright Boys (& Girls )-


I'm at the WWDC07 and as you can imagine the Buzz is all around the iPhone.

I didn't think to keep you guys up to date until I checked my FRIAM
mailbox today.
Maybe I even assumed one or more of you were here at the Moscone with
me... I
haven't seen a single familiar face (except for Jobs himself!)... back
in the day I
couldn't go to a conference without seeing a dozen familiar faces (and
all of them
older than I).  The median age here is about 30 I think...

My purposes.
I'm here to get early intel on the iPhone (those of you from Sandia,
close your ears)
so we (LANL) can get the jump on our competitors (you too Doug...
fingers in ears
now... lalalalalLAlalaLALalalaLaaaa!  you caaaaan't hear me!) in the
arena of mobile
applications for Homeland Security (and darker forces too).  From here I
proceed to
the HIFLD all-hazards workshop in San Diego (Thursday-Friday).

Development Environment.
It is, as expected, very closed except via Safari using AJAX.   Apple
folks here
(numbering about 1000 vs the 5000 attendees!) are very adamant that they
will
not be supporting Java or Flash.   JavaScript, QuickTime, GoogleMaps are the
only announced native extensions beyond HTML.  I attended a VERY informative
session on developing web services for the iPhone... it covered a lot of
obvious
but also subtle things.  More detail below.


iPhone/ATT/unlocking.
There is no reason to believe Apple will openly or deliberately unlock
the phone...
I'm pretty sure their deal with ATT precludes this somehow for some
time.   Unless
there is a non-US version.   That doesn't mean you won't be able to get
one unlocked...
I just don't know how yet.

A nearly as important announcement was Safari for Winderz and
VisterWinderz...
looks like Jobs is going after Gates' ankles again.   The buzz (outside
WWDC) is
that Safari sucks and will never catch up with, much less beat it's
competition...
of course they mix their implications here as it is only Firefox they
claim to be
superior, not IE... and they don't acknowledge that Apple's tech folks
have pulled
some pretty fancy rabbits out of their hats/sleeves/armpits in the past,
and there is
no reason that Safari as the Dark Horse can't pull ahead and kick dust
in IE's face
as it blows past.  Especially with the iPhone development/compatibility
angle.

GooglePhone.
There are *lots* of GoogleBrats here.  Some great T-shirts... logos with
the myriad
variations on the Goo(ooo)gle  they used to put up for holidays.   There
is NO buzz
about Google blowing the iPhone out of the water with their own
device.   I think
Apple and Google are playing nice this year (decade?), maybe/probably
double-teaming
Redmond like young Coyotes going up against an old, overweight  Cougar.  
The
WinderzMobile crowd are likely to try to respond... they've had plenty
of warning, no?

iPhone detail.

multi-touch and double-tap
Yes.   The multi-touch is that inspired/demonstrated by Han (at TED?)
last year.
Nothing was said about their relationship... if any though and they call
it "pinch-mode"
s maybe they are not on friendly terms with Han (perhaps they have been
developing
multi-touch for decades and Han scooped them?).  In any case, it is key
to using the iPhone
effectively.

double-tap is the related trick for contextual zooming.   It can bring
up a "block" such as text or image or table to full-screen or it can
zoom text.
There was  a whole session on the subtleties of designing for this
device w/o
making bad design decisions for other things... I'm not sure what is
proprietary
and what is not... look for tutorials coming soon.  Apple wants as many
web apps
to run well on the phone on June 29 as possible.

The point was made that a finger is not a mouse... they use single fingers
in 4 modes (including mouse) and two fingers (pinch-mode) in

The high points were:
    Use columns for text.
    Don't use frames
    Separate CSS from HTML
    use their (added) Viewport (Meta) tags to hint

I didn't do justice to this "report" and I need to go back to my "day job"
(LANL-over-the-wire) before COB... (too late)!

 - Steve
PS.  We get a beta of Leapord to mess with... it has some kewl features.

[Douglas Roberts-2]

It's interesting to observe how when one of the LANL staff members escapes
the present evil, oppressive, water table-polluting, Plutonium-manufacturing
funding-threatened corporate environment of Los Alamos for a week of techie
fun in the Real World, they open up, becoming positive cheerful little
chatterboxes!

;-}

Myself, I can't *wait* to hear how the iPhone is going to help LANL and DHS
(and whatever darker forces can be brought to bear) to make this a safer,
more secure Homeland.

;-} ;-}

--Doug

--
Doug Roberts, RTI International
droberts at rti.org
doug at parrot-farm.net
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

On 6/12/07, steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> allright Boys (& Girls )-
>
>
> I'm at the WWDC07 and as you can imagine the Buzz is all around the
> iPhone.
>
> I didn't think to keep you guys up to date until I checked my FRIAM
> mailbox today.
> Maybe I even assumed one or more of you were here at the Moscone with
> me... I
> haven't seen a single familiar face (except for Jobs himself!)... back
> in the day I
> couldn't go to a conference without seeing a dozen familiar faces (and
> all of them
> older than I).  The median age here is about 30 I think...
>
> My purposes.
> I'm here to get early intel on the iPhone (those of you from Sandia,
> close your ears)
> so we (LANL) can get the jump on our competitors (you too Doug...
> fingers in ears
> now... lalalalalLAlalaLALalalaLaaaa!  you caaaaan't hear me!) in the
> arena of mobile
> applications for Homeland Security (and darker forces too).  From here I
> proceed to
> the HIFLD all-hazards workshop in San Diego (Thursday-Friday).
>
> Development Environment.
> It is, as expected, very closed except via Safari using AJAX.   Apple
> folks here
> (numbering about 1000 vs the 5000 attendees!) are very adamant that they
> will
> not be supporting Java or Flash.   JavaScript, QuickTime, GoogleMaps are
> the
> only announced native extensions beyond HTML.  I attended a VERY
> informative
> session on developing web services for the iPhone... it covered a lot of
> obvious
> but also subtle things.  More detail below.
>
>
> iPhone/ATT/unlocking.
> There is no reason to believe Apple will openly or deliberately unlock
> the phone...
> I'm pretty sure their deal with ATT precludes this somehow for some
> time.   Unless
> there is a non-US version.   That doesn't mean you won't be able to get
> one unlocked...
> I just don't know how yet.
>
> A nearly as important announcement was Safari for Winderz and
> VisterWinderz...
> looks like Jobs is going after Gates' ankles again.   The buzz (outside
> WWDC) is
> that Safari sucks and will never catch up with, much less beat it's
> competition...
> of course they mix their implications here as it is only Firefox they
> claim to be
> superior, not IE... and they don't acknowledge that Apple's tech folks
> have pulled
> some pretty fancy rabbits out of their hats/sleeves/armpits in the past,
> and there is
> no reason that Safari as the Dark Horse can't pull ahead and kick dust
> in IE's face
> as it blows past.  Especially with the iPhone development/compatibility
> angle.
>
> GooglePhone.
> There are *lots* of GoogleBrats here.  Some great T-shirts... logos with
> the myriad
> variations on the Goo(ooo)gle  they used to put up for holidays.   There
> is NO buzz
> about Google blowing the iPhone out of the water with their own
> device.   I think
> Apple and Google are playing nice this year (decade?), maybe/probably
> double-teaming
> Redmond like young Coyotes going up against an old, overweight  Cougar.
> The
> WinderzMobile crowd are likely to try to respond... they've had plenty
> of warning, no?
>
> iPhone detail.
>
> multi-touch and double-tap
> Yes.   The multi-touch is that inspired/demonstrated by Han (at TED?)
> last year.
> Nothing was said about their relationship... if any though and they call
> it "pinch-mode"
> s maybe they are not on friendly terms with Han (perhaps they have been
> developing
> multi-touch for decades and Han scooped them?).  In any case, it is key
> to using the iPhone
> effectively.
>
> double-tap is the related trick for contextual zooming.   It can bring
> up a "block" such as text or image or table to full-screen or it can
> zoom text.
> There was  a whole session on the subtleties of designing for this
> device w/o
> making bad design decisions for other things... I'm not sure what is
> proprietary
> and what is not... look for tutorials coming soon.  Apple wants as many
> web apps
> to run well on the phone on June 29 as possible.
>
> The point was made that a finger is not a mouse... they use single fingers
> in 4 modes (including mouse) and two fingers (pinch-mode) in
>
> The high points were:
>     Use columns for text.
>     Don't use frames
>     Separate CSS from HTML
>     use their (added) Viewport (Meta) tags to hint
>
> I didn't do justice to this "report" and I need to go back to my "day job"
> (LANL-over-the-wire) before COB... (too late)!
>
> - Steve
> PS.  We get a beta of Leapord to mess with... it has some kewl features.
>
>
>
>
>
> ============================================================
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> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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[David Breecker]

Oh lord, I've seen Steve become a cheerful chatterbox with an afternoon in Santa Fe.  Although libations at the Cowgirl certainly help.
db
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Douglas Roberts
  To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [FRIAM] iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF (no Apple Proprietary content,I promise!)


  It's interesting to observe how when one of the LANL staff members escapes the present evil, oppressive, water table-polluting, Plutonium-manufacturing funding-threatened corporate environment of Los Alamos for a week of techie fun in the Real World, they open up, becoming positive cheerful little chatterboxes!

  ;-}

  Myself, I can't *wait* to hear how the iPhone is going to help LANL and DHS (and whatever darker forces can be brought to bear) to make this a safer, more secure Homeland.

  ;-} ;-}

  --Doug

  --
  Doug Roberts, RTI International
  droberts at rti.org
  doug at parrot-farm.net
  505-455-7333 - Office
  505-670-8195 - Cell


  On 6/12/07, steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
    allright Boys (& Girls )-


    I'm at the WWDC07 and as you can imagine the Buzz is all around the iPhone.

    I didn't think to keep you guys up to date until I checked my FRIAM
    mailbox today.
    Maybe I even assumed one or more of you were here at the Moscone with
    me... I
    haven't seen a single familiar face (except for Jobs himself!)... back
    in the day I
    couldn't go to a conference without seeing a dozen familiar faces (and
    all of them
    older than I).  The median age here is about 30 I think...

    My purposes.
    I'm here to get early intel on the iPhone (those of you from Sandia,
    close your ears)
    so we (LANL) can get the jump on our competitors (you too Doug...
    fingers in ears
    now... lalalalalLAlalaLALalalaLaaaa!  you caaaaan't hear me!) in the
    arena of mobile
    applications for Homeland Security (and darker forces too).  From here I
    proceed to
    the HIFLD all-hazards workshop in San Diego (Thursday-Friday).

    Development Environment.
    It is, as expected, very closed except via Safari using AJAX.   Apple
    folks here
    (numbering about 1000 vs the 5000 attendees!) are very adamant that they
    will
    not be supporting Java or Flash.   JavaScript, QuickTime, GoogleMaps are the
    only announced native extensions beyond HTML.  I attended a VERY informative
    session on developing web services for the iPhone... it covered a lot of
    obvious
    but also subtle things.  More detail below.


    iPhone/ATT/unlocking.
    There is no reason to believe Apple will openly or deliberately unlock
    the phone...
    I'm pretty sure their deal with ATT precludes this somehow for some
    time.   Unless
    there is a non-US version.   That doesn't mean you won't be able to get
    one unlocked...
    I just don't know how yet.

    A nearly as important announcement was Safari for Winderz and
    VisterWinderz...
    looks like Jobs is going after Gates' ankles again.   The buzz (outside
    WWDC) is
    that Safari sucks and will never catch up with, much less beat it's
    competition...
    of course they mix their implications here as it is only Firefox they
    claim to be
    superior, not IE... and they don't acknowledge that Apple's tech folks
    have pulled
    some pretty fancy rabbits out of their hats/sleeves/armpits in the past,
    and there is
    no reason that Safari as the Dark Horse can't pull ahead and kick dust
    in IE's face
    as it blows past.  Especially with the iPhone development/compatibility
    angle.

    GooglePhone.
    There are *lots* of GoogleBrats here.  Some great T-shirts... logos with
    the myriad
    variations on the Goo(ooo)gle  they used to put up for holidays.   There
    is NO buzz
    about Google blowing the iPhone out of the water with their own
    device.   I think
    Apple and Google are playing nice this year (decade?), maybe/probably
    double-teaming
    Redmond like young Coyotes going up against an old, overweight  Cougar.
    The
    WinderzMobile crowd are likely to try to respond... they've had plenty
    of warning, no?

    iPhone detail.

    multi-touch and double-tap
    Yes.   The multi-touch is that inspired/demonstrated by Han (at TED?)
    last year.
    Nothing was said about their relationship... if any though and they call
    it "pinch-mode"
    s maybe they are not on friendly terms with Han (perhaps they have been
    developing
    multi-touch for decades and Han scooped them?).  In any case, it is key
    to using the iPhone
    effectively.

    double-tap is the related trick for contextual zooming.   It can bring
    up a "block" such as text or image or table to full-screen or it can
    zoom text.
    There was  a whole session on the subtleties of designing for this
    device w/o
    making bad design decisions for other things... I'm not sure what is
    proprietary
    and what is not... look for tutorials coming soon.  Apple wants as many
    web apps
    to run well on the phone on June 29 as possible.

    The point was made that a finger is not a mouse... they use single fingers
    in 4 modes (including mouse) and two fingers (pinch-mode) in

    The high points were:
        Use columns for text.
        Don't use frames
        Separate CSS from HTML
        use their (added) Viewport (Meta) tags to hint

    I didn't do justice to this "report" and I need to go back to my "day job"
    (LANL-over-the-wire) before COB... (too late)!

    - Steve
    PS.  We get a beta of Leapord to mess with... it has some kewl features.





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[Steve Smith]

OK you chatterboxes... quiet down back there in the down-plume shadow of
the famous outpost of the evil empire(s)!

Oh wait, I'm just down the street from Bechtel headquarters and Stephen
Bechtel's penthouse suite...  oh wait... who are those acne-scarred apes
in rumpled suits with bulges under their arpmits?...    I think
someone(s) is about to get hurt here...  I'll write up the damage report
later.  (anybody want to buy a couple of slightly used Glocks?)

BTW, Doug can attest... just give me a goofy psuedonym and a blogger
account and I go positively apeshit.  No libations required (nor excluded!)

<chatter>
    The real fun is at USC next week... on my own nickel.   I'm meeting
with Scott Fisher & Crue ( http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/)
at the interactive media     division of the school of cinema and
television and hopefully Paul Debevec's lab ( http://www.debevec.org/ ).

    I'm also meeting with Immersion (
http://www.immersion.com/3d/products/cyber_grasp.php ) on Monday to get
fitted out for some Edward Scissorhands play.  I         tried these on
7 years ago in Houston, but it took this long to find an appropriate
application (virtual glovebox).  
</chatter>

- Sieve

David Breecker wrote:

> Oh lord, I've seen Steve become a cheerful chatterbox with an
> afternoon in Santa Fe.  Although libations at the Cowgirl certainly help.
> db
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Douglas Roberts <mailto:doug at parrot-farm.net>
>     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>     <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:27 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF
>     <mailto:iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF> (no Apple Proprietary content,I
>     promise!)
>
>     It's interesting to observe how when one of the LANL staff members
>     escapes the present evil, oppressive, water table-polluting,
>     Plutonium-manufacturing funding-threatened corporate environment
>     of Los Alamos for a week of techie fun in the Real World, they
>     open up, becoming positive cheerful little chatterboxes!
>

[David Breecker]

Steve:  I for one would love to debrief with you on USC et al; if others are
interested, perhaps we can do a group thing?
db

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve smith" <[hidden email]>
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <friam at redfish.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: [FRIAM] <chatter> USC Interactive Media and ITC </chatter>

> OK you chatterboxes... quiet down back there in the down-plume shadow of
> the famous outpost of the evil empire(s)!
>
> Oh wait, I'm just down the street from Bechtel headquarters and Stephen
> Bechtel's penthouse suite...  oh wait... who are those acne-scarred apes
> in rumpled suits with bulges under their arpmits?...    I think
> someone(s) is about to get hurt here...  I'll write up the damage report
> later.  (anybody want to buy a couple of slightly used Glocks?)
>
> BTW, Doug can attest... just give me a goofy psuedonym and a blogger
> account and I go positively apeshit.  No libations required (nor
> excluded!)
>
> <chatter>
>    The real fun is at USC next week... on my own nickel.   I'm meeting
> with Scott Fisher & Crue ( http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/)
> at the interactive media     division of the school of cinema and
> television and hopefully Paul Debevec's lab ( http://www.debevec.org/ ).
>
>    I'm also meeting with Immersion (
> http://www.immersion.com/3d/products/cyber_grasp.php ) on Monday to get
> fitted out for some Edward Scissorhands play.  I         tried these on
> 7 years ago in Houston, but it took this long to find an appropriate
> application (virtual glovebox).
> </chatter>
>
> - Sieve
>
> David Breecker wrote:
>> Oh lord, I've seen Steve become a cheerful chatterbox with an
>> afternoon in Santa Fe.  Although libations at the Cowgirl certainly help.
>> db
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Douglas Roberts <mailto:doug at parrot-farm.net>
>>     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>     <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:27 AM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF
>>     <mailto:iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF> (no Apple Proprietary content,I
>>     promise!)
>>
>>     It's interesting to observe how when one of the LANL staff members
>>     escapes the present evil, oppressive, water table-polluting,
>>     Plutonium-manufacturing funding-threatened corporate environment
>>     of Los Alamos for a week of techie fun in the Real World, they
>>     open up, becoming positive cheerful little chatterboxes!
>>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>

[Stephen Guerin]

I'd be interested. Steve, are you up for a Friday afternoon debriefing at
Cowgirls sometime in July (I'm out of town for three weeks)?

-S

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Breecker [mailto:David at BreeckerAssociates.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:39 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] <chatter> USC Interactive Media and ITC
> </chatter>
>
> Steve:  I for one would love to debrief with you on USC et
> al; if others are interested, perhaps we can do a group thing?
> db
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve smith" <sasmyth at swcp.com>
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> <friam at redfish.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:10 AM
> Subject: [FRIAM] <chatter> USC Interactive Media and ITC </chatter>
>
>
> > OK you chatterboxes... quiet down back there in the
> down-plume shadow of
> > the famous outpost of the evil empire(s)!
> >
> > Oh wait, I'm just down the street from Bechtel headquarters
> and Stephen
> > Bechtel's penthouse suite...  oh wait... who are those
> acne-scarred apes
> > in rumpled suits with bulges under their arpmits?...    I think
> > someone(s) is about to get hurt here...  I'll write up the
> damage report
> > later.  (anybody want to buy a couple of slightly used Glocks?)
> >
> > BTW, Doug can attest... just give me a goofy psuedonym and a blogger
> > account and I go positively apeshit.  No libations required (nor
> > excluded!)
> >
> > <chatter>
> >    The real fun is at USC next week... on my own nickel.  
> I'm meeting
> > with Scott Fisher & Crue (
> http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/)
> > at the interactive media     division of the school of cinema and
> > television and hopefully Paul Debevec's lab (
> http://www.debevec.org/ ).
> >
> >    I'm also meeting with Immersion (
> > http://www.immersion.com/3d/products/cyber_grasp.php ) on
> Monday to get
> > fitted out for some Edward Scissorhands play.  I        
> tried these on
> > 7 years ago in Houston, but it took this long to find an appropriate
> > application (virtual glovebox).
> > </chatter>
> >
> > - Sieve
> >
> > David Breecker wrote:
> >> Oh lord, I've seen Steve become a cheerful chatterbox with an
> >> afternoon in Santa Fe.  Although libations at the Cowgirl
> certainly help.
> >> db
> >>
> >>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>     *From:* Douglas Roberts <mailto:doug at parrot-farm.net>
> >>     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> >>     <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> >>     *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:27 AM
> >>     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF
> >>     <mailto:iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF> (no Apple
> Proprietary content,I
> >>     promise!)
> >>
> >>     It's interesting to observe how when one of the LANL
> staff members
> >>     escapes the present evil, oppressive, water table-polluting,
> >>     Plutonium-manufacturing funding-threatened corporate
> environment
> >>     of Los Alamos for a week of techie fun in the Real World, they
> >>     open up, becoming positive cheerful little chatterboxes!
> >>
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
> ============================================================
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> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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>
>

[Douglas Roberts-2]

Yes, Cowgirls.

On 6/13/07, Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at redfish.com> wrote:

>
> I'd be interested. Steve, are you up for a Friday afternoon debriefing at
> Cowgirls sometime in July (I'm out of town for three weeks)?
>
> -S
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Breecker [mailto:David at BreeckerAssociates.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:39 PM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] <chatter> USC Interactive Media and ITC
> > </chatter>
> >
> > Steve:  I for one would love to debrief with you on USC et
> > al; if others are interested, perhaps we can do a group thing?
> > db
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "steve smith" <sasmyth at swcp.com>
> > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
> > <friam at redfish.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:10 AM
> > Subject: [FRIAM] <chatter> USC Interactive Media and ITC </chatter>
> >
> >
> > > OK you chatterboxes... quiet down back there in the
> > down-plume shadow of
> > > the famous outpost of the evil empire(s)!
> > >
> > > Oh wait, I'm just down the street from Bechtel headquarters
> > and Stephen
> > > Bechtel's penthouse suite...  oh wait... who are those
> > acne-scarred apes
> > > in rumpled suits with bulges under their arpmits?...    I think
> > > someone(s) is about to get hurt here...  I'll write up the
> > damage report
> > > later.  (anybody want to buy a couple of slightly used Glocks?)
> > >
> > > BTW, Doug can attest... just give me a goofy psuedonym and a blogger
> > > account and I go positively apeshit.  No libations required (nor
> > > excluded!)
> > >
> > > <chatter>
> > >    The real fun is at USC next week... on my own nickel.
> > I'm meeting
> > > with Scott Fisher & Crue (
> > http://interactive.usc.edu/members/sfisher/)
> > > at the interactive media     division of the school of cinema and
> > > television and hopefully Paul Debevec's lab (
> > http://www.debevec.org/ ).
> > >
> > >    I'm also meeting with Immersion (
> > > http://www.immersion.com/3d/products/cyber_grasp.php ) on
> > Monday to get
> > > fitted out for some Edward Scissorhands play.  I
> > tried these on
> > > 7 years ago in Houston, but it took this long to find an appropriate
> > > application (virtual glovebox).
> > > </chatter>
> > >
> > > - Sieve
> > >
> > > David Breecker wrote:
> > >> Oh lord, I've seen Steve become a cheerful chatterbox with an
> > >> afternoon in Santa Fe.  Although libations at the Cowgirl
> > certainly help.
> > >> db
> > >>
> > >>     ----- Original Message -----
> > >>     *From:* Douglas Roberts <mailto:doug at parrot-farm.net>
> > >>     *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > >>     <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> > >>     *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:27 AM
> > >>     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF
> > >>     <mailto:iPhone at WWDC07.moscone.SF> (no Apple
> > Proprietary content,I
> > >>     promise!)
> > >>
> > >>     It's interesting to observe how when one of the LANL
> > staff members
> > >>     escapes the present evil, oppressive, water table-polluting,
> > >>     Plutonium-manufacturing funding-threatened corporate
> > environment
> > >>     of Los Alamos for a week of techie fun in the Real World, they
> > >>     open up, becoming positive cheerful little chatterboxes!
> > >>
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ============================================================
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> >
> >
>
>
> ============================================================
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[Steve Smith]

Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Yes, Cowgirls.
>
> On 6/13/07, *Stephen Guerin* <stephen.guerin at redfish.com
> <mailto:stephen.guerin at redfish.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'd be interested. Steve, are you up for a Friday afternoon
>     debriefing at
>     Cowgirls sometime in July (I'm out of town for three weeks)?
>

I don't really like being de-Briefed in front of cowgirls, thank you
very much!

But a brew and some BS about this stuff would be fine...

Just keep your hands off my briefs!

I promise, I'll be a veritable "chatterbox".

- S

[Douglas Roberts-2]

Whenever *I* am debriefed I prefer that it be done in front of cowgirls.

But that's just me.

--
Doug Roberts, RTI International
droberts at rti.org
doug at parrot-farm.net
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

On 6/14/07, steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> Douglas Roberts wrote:
> > Yes, Cowgirls.
> >
> > On 6/13/07, *Stephen Guerin* <stephen.guerin at redfish.com
> > <mailto:stephen.guerin at redfish.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I'd be interested. Steve, are you up for a Friday afternoon
> >     debriefing at
> >     Cowgirls sometime in July (I'm out of town for three weeks)?
> >
>
> I don't really like being de-Briefed in front of cowgirls, thank you
> very much!
>
> But a brew and some BS about this stuff would be fine...
>
> Just keep your hands off my briefs!
>
> I promise, I'll be a veritable "chatterbox".
>
> - S
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

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[Steve Smith]

Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Whenever *I* am debriefed I prefer that it be done in front of cowgirls.
>
I think I've seen pictures and maybe even a short video on YouTube...
and I swear the Cowgirls were doing the de-briefing  ( but why did they
all have 5 O'Clock shadows and size 12 pumps? )

<OK I'll quit now!>

[Marcus G. Daniels]

steve smith wrote:
> Oh wait, I'm just down the street from Bechtel headquarters and Stephen
> Bechtel's penthouse suite...  oh wait... who are those acne-scarred apes
> in rumpled suits with bulges under their arpmits?...    I think
> someone(s) is about to get hurt here...  I'll write up the damage report
> later.  (anybody want to buy a couple of slightly used Glocks?
>  
Hmm, I hope it doesn't have something to do with...

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1632905,00.html

[Steve Smith]

BTW -

No LANL  proprietary content either. :^)

But the iPhone is still cool.
>
>
>
>     Myself, I can't *wait* to hear how the iPhone is going to help
>     LANL and DHS (and whatever darker forces can be brought to bear)
>     to make this a safer, more secure Homeland.
>