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Not good for the theory.

 

Yes, Tom.  That theory.

 

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Frank Wimberly-2
Exponential with increasing derivative.

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On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 9:01 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Not good for the theory.

 

Yes, Tom.  That theory.

 

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

Frank Wimberly-2
As it approaches the peak the derivative will decrease.  We're not there yet.

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On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 9:33 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:
Exponential with increasing derivative.

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Not good for the theory.

 

Yes, Tom.  That theory.

 

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

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It is kind of interesting that the religious fundamentalists seem to be in denial with regard Covid. I would have expected more "It's God's wrath" or "The end is nigh" from that sector.

Even if we hit the 2 million dead in the US, and 5% of the population immune, that leaves 95% at severe risk until such time as a vaccine is developed.

Governments cannot print and distribute money fast enough to prevent a major collapse of world economic order and concomitant social breakdown.

There are 30,000 known coronaviruses in the animal population just waiting for the opportune moment to jump species.

I knew there was a way to solve the climate problem.

davew


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Not good for the theory.

 

Yes, Tom.  That theory.

 

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I've seen a few articles with titles like "Coronavirus is the death of Neoliberalism" or "... Capitalism" and whatnot. I'm skeptical. As much as I reject analogies between societal upheaval/collapse and phases of matter, I do believe in inflection points. My guess is that authoritarianism is what lies ahead of us on the other side of this inflection. We were already trending that way and I bet we'll continue. This inflection looks more like a minor rate change than anything fundamental.

This article was hopeful:

The coronavirus crisis has exposed the ugly truth about celebrity culture and capitalism
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/the-coronavirus-crisis-has-exposed-the-ugly-truth-about-celebrity-culture-and-capitalism

There's nothing more disgusting to me than our celebrity fetish. But this article was pessimistic:

Invisible man? Amid pandemic, Biden sidelined by omnipresent Trump
https://news.yahoo.com/invisible-man-amid-pandemic-biden-sidelined-omnipresent-trump-082411045.html

My faith in my fellow humans' *tastes* is always crushed. Everyone tends to flock to the least common denominator. (My primary objection to instant-runoff/ranked-choice voting and pop music, as well as overly reductive rating systems like Rotten Tomatoes, etc.) The "wisdom of crowds" is an oxymoron. >8^D

On 4/2/20 8:05 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> Governments cannot print and distribute money fast enough to prevent a major collapse of world economic order and concomitant social breakdown.

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

Marcus G. Daniels
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Dave writes:

< There are 30,000 known coronaviruses in the animal population just waiting for the opportune moment to jump species.

I knew there was a way to solve the climate problem. >

I don't think Ms. Gaia cares too much about the authoritarianism problem, though.  

Marcus


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It is kind of interesting that the religious fundamentalists seem to be in denial with regard Covid. I would have expected more "It's God's wrath" or "The end is nigh" from that sector.

Even if we hit the 2 million dead in the US, and 5% of the population immune, that leaves 95% at severe risk until such time as a vaccine is developed.

Governments cannot print and distribute money fast enough to prevent a major collapse of world economic order and concomitant social breakdown.

There are 30,000 known coronaviruses in the animal population just waiting for the opportune moment to jump species.

I knew there was a way to solve the climate problem.

davew


On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, at 9:01 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Not good for the theory.

 

Yes, Tom.  That theory.

 

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I think she does, indirectly. Homeostasis might be easier to maintain with a diversity of strategies preserved in the milieu. Authoritarianism is a monotonic forcing structure. As long as there's a vibrant ecology of revolutionaries throbbing underneath, then authoritarianism is A-OK. But if it squashes the diversity required to find new solutions over time, then it's not.

On 4/2/20 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I don't think Ms. Gaia cares too much about the authoritarianism problem, though.  

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Do you have a Zoom meeting tomorrow again?

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Not good for the theory.

 

Yes, Tom.  That theory.

 

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FW: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

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FRIAMMERS:

 

"the government cant print money fast enough to save the economy"

 

I have to say, this made me wonder just exactly what an "economy" is.

 

Imagine us like so many well fed rats in our separate cages.  Food and water is brought to us daily by Amazon.  Municipal Services cart the waste a way. We exercise in our wheels. Our mates and young are by our sides.  We can see and smell our neighbors through the wires but we cannot touch. Life is perfect!  But there is no economy?  What's an economy?   See attached, especially page 2.

 

N

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ?

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:43 AM

To: FriAM <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

 

I've seen a few articles with titles like "Coronavirus is the death of Neoliberalism" or "... Capitalism" and whatnot. I'm skeptical. As much as I reject analogies between societal upheaval/collapse and phases of matter, I do believe in inflection points. My guess is that authoritarianism is what lies ahead of us on the other side of this inflection. We were already trending that way and I bet we'll continue. This inflection looks more like a minor rate change than anything fundamental.

 

This article was hopeful:

 

The coronavirus crisis has exposed the ugly truth about celebrity culture and capitalism https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/the-coronavirus-crisis-has-exposed-the-ugly-truth-about-celebrity-culture-and-capitalism

 

There's nothing more disgusting to me than our celebrity fetish. But this article was pessimistic:

 

Invisible man? Amid pandemic, Biden sidelined by omnipresent Trump https://news.yahoo.com/invisible-man-amid-pandemic-biden-sidelined-omnipresent-trump-082411045.html

 

My faith in my fellow humans' *tastes* is always crushed. Everyone tends to flock to the least common denominator. (My primary objection to instant-runoff/ranked-choice voting and pop music, as well as overly reductive rating systems like Rotten Tomatoes, etc.) The "wisdom of crowds" is an oxymoron. >8^D

 

On 4/2/20 8:05 AM, Prof David West wrote:

> Governments cannot print and distribute money fast enough to prevent a major collapse of world economic order and concomitant social breakdown.

 

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Re: FW: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

Carl Tollander

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

FRIAMMERS:

 

"the government cant print money fast enough to save the economy"

 

I have to say, this made me wonder just exactly what an "economy" is.

 

Imagine us like so many well fed rats in our separate cages.  Food and water is brought to us daily by Amazon.  Municipal Services cart the waste a way. We exercise in our wheels. Our mates and young are by our sides.  We can see and smell our neighbors through the wires but we cannot touch. Life is perfect!  But there is no economy?  What's an economy?   See attached, especially page 2.

 

N

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ?

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:43 AM

To: FriAM <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

 

I've seen a few articles with titles like "Coronavirus is the death of Neoliberalism" or "... Capitalism" and whatnot. I'm skeptical. As much as I reject analogies between societal upheaval/collapse and phases of matter, I do believe in inflection points. My guess is that authoritarianism is what lies ahead of us on the other side of this inflection. We were already trending that way and I bet we'll continue. This inflection looks more like a minor rate change than anything fundamental.

 

This article was hopeful:

 

The coronavirus crisis has exposed the ugly truth about celebrity culture and capitalism https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/the-coronavirus-crisis-has-exposed-the-ugly-truth-about-celebrity-culture-and-capitalism

 

There's nothing more disgusting to me than our celebrity fetish. But this article was pessimistic:

 

Invisible man? Amid pandemic, Biden sidelined by omnipresent Trump https://news.yahoo.com/invisible-man-amid-pandemic-biden-sidelined-omnipresent-trump-082411045.html

 

My faith in my fellow humans' *tastes* is always crushed. Everyone tends to flock to the least common denominator. (My primary objection to instant-runoff/ranked-choice voting and pop music, as well as overly reductive rating systems like Rotten Tomatoes, etc.) The "wisdom of crowds" is an oxymoron. >8^D

 

On 4/2/20 8:05 AM, Prof David West wrote:

> Governments cannot print and distribute money fast enough to prevent a major collapse of world economic order and concomitant social breakdown.

 

--

uǝlƃ

 

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My observation is that from Dickens' "best of times, worst of times".   I think as an inflection/bifurcation point,   many things are possible.  "sensitive dependence on initial conditions".   In the spirit of "creative visualization" and "self-fulfilling prophecies" there are risks and opportunities around being too paranoid or too pollyanna and opportunities around being creatively positive and thoughtfully wary.   I think there is a quad-chart in there somewhere?

"Svaha" is a word for "the time between the lightning and the thunder... when all things are possible". (alternately attributed to Native Americans, to old Norse, etc... but apparently coined by this book: https://www.amazon.com/Svaha-Charles-Lint/dp/0312876505 in the 90s... 

And not to be confused with the much older Sanskrit svāhā which feels entertainingly relevant as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sv%C4%81h%C4%81

On 4/2/20 9:42 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
I've seen a few articles with titles like "Coronavirus is the death of Neoliberalism" or "... Capitalism" and whatnot. I'm skeptical. As much as I reject analogies between societal upheaval/collapse and phases of matter, I do believe in inflection points. My guess is that authoritarianism is what lies ahead of us on the other side of this inflection. We were already trending that way and I bet we'll continue. This inflection looks more like a minor rate change than anything fundamental.

This article was hopeful:

The coronavirus crisis has exposed the ugly truth about celebrity culture and capitalism 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/the-coronavirus-crisis-has-exposed-the-ugly-truth-about-celebrity-culture-and-capitalism

There's nothing more disgusting to me than our celebrity fetish. But this article was pessimistic:

Invisible man? Amid pandemic, Biden sidelined by omnipresent Trump
https://news.yahoo.com/invisible-man-amid-pandemic-biden-sidelined-omnipresent-trump-082411045.html

My faith in my fellow humans' *tastes* is always crushed. Everyone tends to flock to the least common denominator. (My primary objection to instant-runoff/ranked-choice voting and pop music, as well as overly reductive rating systems like Rotten Tomatoes, etc.) The "wisdom of crowds" is an oxymoron. >8^D

On 4/2/20 8:05 AM, Prof David West wrote:
Governments cannot print and distribute money fast enough to prevent a major collapse of world economic order and concomitant social breakdown.

    

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

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On 4/2/20 10:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Dave writes:

< There are 30,000 known coronaviruses in the animal population just waiting for the opportune moment to jump species.

I knew there was a way to solve the climate problem. >

I don't think Ms. Gaia cares too much about the authoritarianism problem, though. 

In fact, it may have been the very fact of *freeing* ourselves from the strictest authoritarianism that allowed us to "bloom" (think algae bloom, not field of flowers) the way we have in the last 100 years.   Would Communist China and Socialist USSR have "bloomed" the way the Consumer Capitalist psuedo Democratic "West" did?  


We are now suffering under our own success in many ways.   The Climate Crisis (IMO) is a disease of ( a certain kind of ) affluence, not poverty or scarcity.




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Steve Smith
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This just in via Guerin from LocoTopia:

Comparative Resilience: 8 Principles for Post-COVID Reconstruction

http://michaelhshuman.com/?p=456


On 4/2/20 10:20 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
I think she does, indirectly. Homeostasis might be easier to maintain with a diversity of strategies preserved in the milieu. Authoritarianism is a monotonic forcing structure. As long as there's a vibrant ecology of revolutionaries throbbing underneath, then authoritarianism is A-OK. But if it squashes the diversity required to find new solutions over time, then it's not.

On 4/2/20 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I don't think Ms. Gaia cares too much about the authoritarianism problem, though.  

    

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

gepr
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Here's what's in the GDoc:

  https://zoom.us/j/255049879 
  https://bit.ly/virtualfriam

Maybe one of our Morlocks could put that in the overly long suffix to every. single. post. that. nobody. ever. deletes. when they hit reply? 8^)

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

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On 4/2/20 10:20 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
I think she does, indirectly. Homeostasis might be easier to maintain with a diversity of strategies preserved in the milieu. Authoritarianism is a monotonic forcing structure. As long as there's a vibrant ecology of revolutionaries throbbing underneath, then authoritarianism is A-OK. But if it squashes the diversity required to find new solutions over time, then it's not.

On 4/2/20 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I don't think Ms. Gaia cares too much about the authoritarianism problem, though.  

    

The current rebalkanisation of the EU (borders stood back up to limit wandering tourists spreading SARS-CoV-2) is allowing for a diversity of responses and when this is over (dust settled enough to read the tea leaves) we will find that diversity of response to be very helpful compared to say... a one-size-fits-all.   

We complain that the current free-for-all among governors of states is "a travesty" but truly NOT compared to the travesty if POTUS45 had chosen (been aware enough, able?) to squash it down.   We'd all be getting rousted from our shelter-in-place homes to attend Easter Services at a church of our^H^H^H *his* choice.

The inner-engineer in all of us may rail at the inefficiency of these "organic" responses, but in the bottom line, I think they will be yet more "robust".  

I (re)submit the alternative to Gaia which is the Medea hypothesis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_hypothesis

perhaps no more (or less) absurd as an allegorical referent

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SarsCoV-2 meta-list

Steve Smith
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I'm trying to build a list of parallel or complementary efforts to the
SimTable/RedFish efforts...  Once this list gets semi-populated I will
share it out here as  well.

The focus is on groups/teams we might join, collaborate with, obtain
data from, etc.   this is a pretty broad spec and I may be overwhelmed
quickly with trying to organize it, so I welcome anyone with a sharp
pencil to offer their own structuring of such resources or join me in
editing such a Google Doc.  

I'm starting with a Doc but will probably move to a Spreadsheet at some
point.

tx,

 - Steve

On 4/2/20 11:27 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:

> Here's what's in the GDoc:
>
>   https://zoom.us/j/255049879 
>   https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
>
> Maybe one of our Morlocks could put that in the overly long suffix to every. single. post. that. nobody. ever. deletes. when they hit reply? 8^)
>
> On 4/2/20 9:31 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>> Do you have a Zoom meeting tomorrow again?
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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

gepr
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This re-raises Marcus' contribution to preserving the analogy between phase changes and socio-political upheaval:

On 3/23/20 9:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fict.2016.00014/full

I haven't had time to answer a question I have through my own homework. So I'll just risk embarrassment and ask it here. Can the sub-models coupled like in the paper be in different phases? Or is the coupling "tight" such that a transition in one sub-system forces a transition everywhere?

Carrying on abusing the bad analogy ... if the coupling is loose enough to allow mixed phases, then I'd argue the Medea hypothesis is flawed and composite systems do not work that way. It's not suicide at all, but more like a dynamic immune system, where one part attacks another part, perhaps because of ignorance that the other part is coupled to itself in some way.

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  https://youtu.be/-5XAmupw8jo


On 4/2/20 10:29 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> I (re)submit the alternative to Gaia which is the Medea hypothesis:
>
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_hypothesis
>
> perhaps no more (or less) absurd as an allegorical referent


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Re: SarsCoV-2 meta-list

Tom Johnson
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Or a meta Doc with links pointing to Doc w Category Table(s)?
I also like to use Comapping for this sort of thing.  Invite sent to you.
https://go.comapping.com/comapping.html#mapid=227145  

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:35 AM Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm trying to build a list of parallel or complementary efforts to the
SimTable/RedFish efforts...  Once this list gets semi-populated I will
share it out here as  well.

The focus is on groups/teams we might join, collaborate with, obtain
data from, etc.   this is a pretty broad spec and I may be overwhelmed
quickly with trying to organize it, so I welcome anyone with a sharp
pencil to offer their own structuring of such resources or join me in
editing such a Google Doc.  

I'm starting with a Doc but will probably move to a Spreadsheet at some
point.

tx,

 - Steve

On 4/2/20 11:27 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> Here's what's in the GDoc:
>
>   https://zoom.us/j/255049879
>   https://bit.ly/virtualfriam
>
> Maybe one of our Morlocks could put that in the overly long suffix to every. single. post. that. nobody. ever. deletes. when they hit reply? 8^)
>
> On 4/2/20 9:31 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>> Do you have a Zoom meeting tomorrow again?
>> [...]
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>>


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Re: SarsCoV-2 meta-list

Gary Schiltz-4
It's a shame it depends on Flash. These days, most browsers don't come with it installed, and on the iOS platform, it isn't even available.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:16 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Or a meta Doc with links pointing to Doc w Category Table(s)?
I also like to use Comapping for this sort of thing.  Invite sent to you.
https://go.comapping.com/comapping.html#mapid=227145  

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Re: YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx

Marcus G. Daniels
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Glen writes:

< Can the sub-models coupled like in the paper be in different phases? Or is the coupling "tight" such that a transition in one sub-system forces a transition everywhere? >

One might have a situation like below where the bond strengths between molecules were gradually getting weaker, giving the effect of an increasing temperature.   If the logical operations (as described) were in place of H2O, then the "molecules" would be a bit more complex and retain at least the same relative magnitudes between the bonds, but some of the bonds between the logical operations could be relaxed.   At a high level, to your question, the metaphor that comes to mind is ice cubes in a cup of water. 



From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣ <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:50 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] YIKES!: Coronavirus New Mexico numbers.xlsx
 
This re-raises Marcus' contribution to preserving the analogy between phase changes and socio-political upheaval:

On 3/23/20 9:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fict.2016.00014/full

I haven't had time to answer a question I have through my own homework. So I'll just risk embarrassment and ask it here. Can the sub-models coupled like in the paper be in different phases? Or is the coupling "tight" such that a transition in one sub-system forces a transition everywhere?

Carrying on abusing the bad analogy ... if the coupling is loose enough to allow mixed phases, then I'd argue the Medea hypothesis is flawed and composite systems do not work that way. It's not suicide at all, but more like a dynamic immune system, where one part attacks another part, perhaps because of ignorance that the other part is coupled to itself in some way.

  "Give me back my haaaaaand!"
  https://youtu.be/-5XAmupw8jo


On 4/2/20 10:29 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> I (re)submit the alternative to Gaia which is the Medea hypothesis:
>
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_hypothesis
>
> perhaps no more (or less) absurd as an allegorical referent


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