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Robert J. Cordingley

Name this spider

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about
spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the
outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular
web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the
day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the
tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been
successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where
close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Roger Frye-3

Re: Name this spider

We have one outside our front door tonight, and it hides during the day.
It seems to be harmless, and the back looks like a smiley face.
We think it is an orange crab spider (google that for images).

On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

> Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?
>
> Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert C
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Scott R. Powell

Re: Name this spider

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Probably the common orb weaver, of which there are many varieties, capable of great feats of engineering - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb-weaver_spider

It's not going to come in the house but I wouldn't try picking one up.

Scott Powell

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On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:59 PM, "Robert J. Cordingley" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?
>
> Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert C
>
> <Spider1.jpg>
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Carl Tollander

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Robert J. Cordingley

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong". From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably. Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
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Scott R. Powell

Re: Name this spider

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The Araneus Pima orb weaver? http://bugguide.net/node/view/13512/bgimage

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Roger Frye <[hidden email]> wrote:

> We have one outside our front door tonight, and it hides during the day.
> It seems to be harmless, and the back looks like a smiley face.
> We think it is an orange crab spider (google that for images).
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
>
>> Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?
>>
>> Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Robert C
>>
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Steve Smith

Re: Name this spider

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My $.02

It looks (and by description of it's web) like what I know of as an "Orb Web" Spider. Common enough in Northern NM and harmless (to humans) despite the sinister (downright ugly?) look. There seem to be a *lot* of spiders referred to as "orb web" including Araneus gemmoides.

The only spider I give the least pause for in this area is the obvious and cliched black widow. I've encountered them "often enough" but have never felt more than mildy threatened by them... they never seem to live anywhere I want to live, though they do seem to live places I feel the need to visit (crawlspaces, etc.) from time to time. I usually ignore them but occasionally do the smash-and-grind-to-a-pulp thing when they appear somewhere I don't want to run into them unexpectedly (inside the house in particular) again.

My lack of encounters with Black Widows may be a result of my high tolerance for Pholcus phalangioides (Daddy Longlegs) who are reputed to finding black widows a special delicacy. In my current (rural) home the only spiders I ever see are Daddy Longlegs, Orb Web/CatFaces (your new friend), Black Widows, and what I think of as a "wolf spider" by their behaviour and appearance, but no close inspections.

These spiders creeped me out pretty much when I first encountered them, but now find them quite entertaining.

- Steve

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
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Steve Smith

Re: Name this spider

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I know them, by the way, to get quite a bit bigger... like an inch or more across (body only) and range from pasty brown to pasty white (uglier)...

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
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Douglas Roberts-2

Re: Name this spider

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That's a Golden Orb spider. We had a whole crop hatch out this summer, and now have one grand dame living on our back portal. We feed her moths.

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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Nick Thompson

Re: Name this spider

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What about the brown recluse, which the furnace man worried about today as he disappeared into our crawl space. Oh, I guess it doesn’t live here? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_recluse_spider#Distribution

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Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:47 PM
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Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Pamela McCorduck

Re: Name this spider

Brown recluses thrive in Santa Fe.

On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:23 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

What about the brown recluse, which the furnace man worried about today as he disappeared into our crawl space. Oh, I guess it doesn’t live here? Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_recluse_spider#Distribution

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Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:47 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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My $.02

It looks (and by description of it's web) like what I know of as an "Orb Web" Spider.   Common enough in Northern NM and harmless (to humans) despite the sinister (downright ugly?) look. There seem to be a *lot* of spiders referred to as "orb web" including Araneus gemmoides.

The only spider I give the least pause for in this area is the obvious and cliched black widow. I've encountered them "often enough" but have never felt more than mildy threatened by them... they never seem to live anywhere I want to live, though they do seem to live places I feel the need to visit (crawlspaces, etc.) from time to time. I usually ignore them but occasionally do the smash-and-grind-to-a-pulp thing when they appear somewhere I don't want to run into them unexpectedly (inside the house in particular) again.

My lack of encounters with Black Widows may be a result of my high tolerance for Pholcus phalangioides (Daddy Longlegs) who are reputed to finding black widows a special delicacy. In my current (rural) home the only spiders I ever see are Daddy Longlegs, Orb Web/CatFaces (your new friend), Black Widows, and what I think of as a "wolf spider" by their behaviour and appearance, but no close inspections.

These spiders creeped me out pretty much when I first encountered them, but now find them quite entertaining.

- Steve

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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	Fanny Trollope, "Domestic Manners of the Americans"

Nick Thompson

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Carl Tollander

Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

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Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Pamela McCorduck

Re: Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Nick Thompson

Re: Name this spider

Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork. I think they are big. I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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               Fanny Trollope, "Domestic Manners of the Americans"

David Mirly

Re: Name this spider

<base href="x-msg://149/">I used to live in Wichita, Ks. and my house was infested with brown's.

I once got bitten on the inside of my arm and it quickly started looking "scary".

A trip to the minor emergency center and a steroid shot was all that I needed.

Other's people's mileage will vary, of course, based on their physiology.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Scott R. Powell

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Pamela McCorduck

Inside shoes is a favorite cozy spot for the brown recluse.

Scott

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Pamela McCorduck <[hidden email]> wrote:

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Carl Tollander

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

One should mention that in 13 years living here I've only seen 3 recluses, and those not in the same year.

Black Widows, however, are a commodity item. Fortunately they're more brazen and thus much easier to avoid.

On 10/11/10 12:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

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To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
   
   
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Pamela McCorduck

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

I don't remember now what the healer did. But my techie has a good-sized white spot on his arm where the spider bit.

I think you need not worry overmuch. They really are *recluses.* They wish to be away from humans.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Parks, Raymond

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Carl Tollander

Carl Tollander wrote:
> One should mention that in 13 years living here I've only seen 3 recluses, and those not in the same year.
>
> Black Widows, however, are a commodity item. Fortunately they're more brazen and thus much easier to avoid.

We used to have one that lived in the red chile wreath outside our
door - until the wreath dried up and fell apart.

BTW, if you come across spider webs (like I do when I open my
well-house) you can tell black widow webs from the other by the crackle
as you brush through them. BW webs crackle.

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Parks, Raymond

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

Steve Smith wrote:
> My $.02
>
> It looks (and by description of it's web) like what I know of as an "Orb Web" Spider. Common enough in Northern NM and harmless (to humans) despite the sinister (downright ugly?) look. There seem to be a *lot* of spiders referred to as "orb web" including Araneus gemmoides<http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4dmg/Pests/catspid.htm>.
>
> The only spider I give the least pause for in this area is the obvious and cliched black widow. I've encountered them "often enough" but have never felt more than mildy threatened by them... they never seem to live anywhere I want to live, though they do seem to live places I feel the need to visit (crawlspaces, etc.) from time to time. I usually ignore them but occasionally do the smash-and-grind-to-a-pulp thing when they appear somewhere I don't want to run into them unexpectedly (inside the house in particular) again.
>
> My lack of encounters with Black Widows may be a result of my high tolerance for Pholcus phalangioides (Daddy Longlegs) who are reputed to finding black widows a special delicacy. In my current (rural) home the only spiders I ever see are Daddy Longlegs, Orb Web/CatFaces (your new friend), Black Widows, and what I think of as a "wolf spider" by their behaviour and appearance, but no close inspections.
>
> These spiders creeped me out pretty much when I first encountered them, but now find them quite entertaining.

We leave pretty much all of them alone - and we have very few other
insects. Oh, the moths get annoying but the spiders get 'em.

What creeps me out are the centipedes - especially the multi-inch
size. Their bites are painful and cause infections.

My wife carefully preserved a female wolf spider that grew to be as
big as a small tarantula. Lots of baby wolfies.

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Alison Jones

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Carl Tollander

Yes, Carl, black widows are widespread this year, lots downtown. For all you folks who frequent The Complex know that there are several webs around the steps on both sides of the building. The last time I was there I noticed one had made its web INSIDE the front door. Roy if you are reading this please go step on it!

I am concerned about the brown recluse, especially when the kids are playing hide and seek. Good to know you've only seen three.

Alison

On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:

One should mention that in 13 years living here I've only seen 3 recluses, and those not in the same year.

Black Widows, however, are a commodity item. Fortunately they're more brazen and thus much easier to avoid.

On 10/11/10 12:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
   
   
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