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glen ep ropella

Re: Name this spider

Alison Jones wrote circa 10-10-11 12:22 PM:
> Roy if you are reading this please go step on it!

Aaaaa!!! Please, no! When we occupied the space, we had a pet BW in
the SW corner. She never bothered any of us and we only bothered her
when we swept (which was rare). I hate to think you just condemned one
of her great grandchildren to death merely for her birthmarks. ;-)

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glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com

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Russell Gonnering

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Pamela McCorduck

Dapsone has been used, but it has significant toxicity: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/772295-overview Need to make sure there is no G-6-PD deficiency.

Russ#3

On Oct 11, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote:

I don't remember now what the healer did. But my techie has a good-sized white spot on his arm where the spider bit.

I think you need not worry overmuch. They really are *recluses.* They wish to be away from humans.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.

On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C

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Tyler White

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Alison Jones

The Complex's motion detector in the main room is protected by a small black widow. Probably a security feature.

Found a brown recluse in my trash can in my bathroom at my house only last week.

Haven't been bitten by either spiders.

Tyler

On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Alison Jones wrote:

Yes, Carl, black widows are widespread this year, lots downtown. For all you folks who frequent The Complex know that there are several webs around the steps on both sides of the building. The last time I was there I noticed one had made its web INSIDE the front door. Roy if you are reading this please go step on it!

I am concerned about the brown recluse, especially when the kids are playing hide and seek. Good to know you've only seen three.

Alison
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
One should mention that in 13 years living here I've only seen 3 recluses, and those not in the same year.

Black Widows, however, are a commodity item. Fortunately they're more brazen and thus much easier to avoid.

On 10/11/10 12:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
   
   
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Tyler White

Re: Name this spider

In reply to this post by Alison Jones

The Q&A was interesting: http://www.brown-recluse.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/3/1/Spider_Identification_Forum.html

And now I feel small skin agitations, like there are tiny spiders crawling on me.

Yay.

Tyler

On Oct 11, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Alison Jones wrote:

Yes, Carl, black widows are widespread this year, lots downtown. For all you folks who frequent The Complex know that there are several webs around the steps on both sides of the building. The last time I was there I noticed one had made its web INSIDE the front door. Roy if you are reading this please go step on it!

I am concerned about the brown recluse, especially when the kids are playing hide and seek. Good to know you've only seen three.

Alison
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
One should mention that in 13 years living here I've only seen 3 recluses, and those not in the same year.

Black Widows, however, are a commodity item. Fortunately they're more brazen and thus much easier to avoid.

On 10/11/10 12:16 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Pamela,

I stand corrected and warned.

Given that the Hospital here is such a mixed bag, I wonder if the collective wisdom of this list might produce a “spider bite center” in the country which one could call into if needed. I am terrified for the children. What did the healer do? Does your techie still have his hand? I found the loving descriptions of progressive necrosis on the web particularly alarming.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

One of my computer techies was bitten by a brown recluse in El Dorado. All the rest is true--no help from the hospital, a wound that grew and grew. Finally he found a local folk healer who helped. He was very skeptical but by then desperate. I've been banging my open hand first against anything I needed to probe into, from the wires behind my computer (which is where his was lurking) to the woodpile, to... They are shy and would rather run away, but if startled, will bite.
On Oct 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Carl, it never occurred to me to confide in my spiders. I will reconsider that policy on your recommendation.

According to my books, the brown recluse doesn’t make it beyond the 100^th meridian (blood or otherwise). She has a local cousin, “desert recluse” or some such whose bite is not a problem.

What I learned from the brief reading on the I-net and elsewhere is that there are no medical miracles to deal with these bites. I had always assumed I would rush down to St. Vincents, and if I got there soon enough, they would give me a shot, and that would be the end of it. Apparently not so. Particularly if children are bitten.

Nick

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 10:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more.
Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry more due to cellular toxins.
Wolf - Short legs, big body - not so much worry, just don't mess with it. They do bite, but they keep to themselves unless molested. I call the one over my front door "Kong".   From the description, probably what you have.
Everything else, leave 'em be, they're beneficial, bites not fun but not dangerous, probably.   Good listeners.

On 10/8/10 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would hide in a corner. You can get an idea of the size from the tines of the dining fork.   I think they are big.   I've not yet been successful in finding anything online that seems to come any where close. Any ideas on what type it is, should I be worried?

Let me know if you'd like a higher res. image.

Thanks,
Robert C
   
   
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David Eric Smith

Re: Name this spider

Tyler,

There is a nice word for your sensation, if you are willing to think
of them as ants instead of spiders. Formication, from Latin Formica
meaning ant, same root as formic acid, the main ingredient in most ant
stings (the harmless one; it is the trace-level proteins that cause
the persistent allergic irritations), and a possibly important
chemical in the emergence of life (though believed less by some of us
than by others). Formication became a more popularly known word when
heroin addiction was in the public eye, because the autonomous
excitability of sensory nerves when the addict is under-sedated gives
the feeling of being crawled on by ants.

Anyway, useless mot for today,

Eric

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