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viral dose ∝ symptom severity

Cloth masks do protect the wearer – breathing in less coronavirus means you get less sick
https://theconversation.com/cloth-masks-do-protect-the-wearer-breathing-in-less-coronavirus-means-you-get-less-sick-143726

And here's her paper in J Gen Intern Med:

Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-020-06067-8

Sooooo, if the right-wingers would simply wear a damned mask, their open-up and herd immunity arguments would be at least somewhat defensible ... getting out, getting infected, *with* masks as a way to increase our collective bio-defense, relatively safely.

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Prof David West

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

Anecdotal means nothing.

Kane County, where I live, recorded its first COVID death last week — 84 year old woman who had been hospitalized prior, with "multiple contributing health issues."

Working in the store, I see a couple of thousand people every day. Weekdays, with mostly locals, 80% wear masks. Weekends and holidays 50%+ tourists, mask rate drops to maybe 60%. Interestingly, 80-90 percent of those not wearing masks are the tourists - a large majority of whom are from California and Nevada.Most locals not wearing masks are ranchers and the coal miners - people working outside all day.

This week was bow hunting season, and close to zero percent of hunters came in wearing masks. Camo, yes, masks, no.

The store rescinded its "no refills" policy this week. And next week is allowing people to put their own condiments, from bulk containers of sliced tomatoes, onions, lettuce, sauce - on their burgers.

Employees continue to wear masks except when behind plexiglass at cash register.

davew

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, at 9:32 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:

> Cloth masks do protect the wearer – breathing in less coronavirus means
> you get less sick
> https://theconversation.com/cloth-masks-do-protect-the-wearer-breathing-in-less-coronavirus-means-you-get-less-sick-143726
>
> And here's her paper in J Gen Intern Med:
>
> Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the
> Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-020-06067-8
>
> Sooooo, if the right-wingers would simply wear a damned mask, their
> open-up and herd immunity arguments would be at least somewhat
> defensible ... getting out, getting infected, *with* masks as a way to
> increase our collective bio-defense, relatively safely.
>
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thompnickson2

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

Aw crap, people. Can't we get Dave out of there!!!!!????

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:54 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity

Anecdotal means nothing.

Kane County, where I live, recorded its first COVID death last week — 84 year old woman who had been hospitalized prior, with "multiple contributing health issues."

Working in the store, I see a couple of thousand people every day. Weekdays, with mostly locals, 80% wear masks. Weekends and holidays 50%+ tourists, mask rate drops to maybe 60%. Interestingly, 80-90 percent of those not wearing masks are the tourists - a large majority of whom are from California and Nevada.Most locals not wearing masks are ranchers and the coal miners - people working outside all day.

This week was bow hunting season, and close to zero percent of hunters came in wearing masks. Camo, yes, masks, no.

The store rescinded its "no refills" policy this week. And next week is allowing people to put their own condiments, from bulk containers of sliced tomatoes, onions, lettuce, sauce - on their burgers.

Employees continue to wear masks except when behind plexiglass at cash register.

davew

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, at 9:32 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:

> Cloth masks do protect the wearer – breathing in less coronavirus
> means you get less sick
> https://theconversation.com/cloth-masks-do-protect-the-wearer-breathin
> g-in-less-coronavirus-means-you-get-less-sick-143726
>
> And here's her paper in J Gen Intern Med:
>
> Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the
> Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-020-06067-8
>
> Sooooo, if the right-wingers would simply wear a damned mask, their
> open-up and herd immunity arguments would be at least somewhat
> defensible ... getting out, getting infected, *with* masks as a way to
> increase our collective bio-defense, relatively safely.
>
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Steve Smith

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

> Aw crap, people. Can't we get Dave out of there!!!!!????

I think he LIKES it there? (bunker in UT)

Or do you mean inside a mask behind plexiglass telling people they cant
refill their own cups or slop their own mustard (whilst winking)?

>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> [hidden email]
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:54 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity
>
> Anecdotal means nothing.
>
> Kane County, where I live, recorded its first COVID death last week — 84 year old woman who had been hospitalized prior, with "multiple contributing health issues."
>
> Working in the store, I see a couple of thousand people every day. Weekdays, with mostly locals, 80% wear masks. Weekends and holidays 50%+ tourists, mask rate drops to maybe 60%. Interestingly, 80-90 percent of those not wearing masks are the tourists - a large majority of whom are from California and Nevada.Most locals not wearing masks are ranchers and the coal miners - people working outside all day.
>
> This week was bow hunting season, and close to zero percent of hunters came in wearing masks. Camo, yes, masks, no.
>
> The store rescinded its "no refills" policy this week. And next week is allowing people to put their own condiments, from bulk containers of sliced tomatoes, onions, lettuce, sauce - on their burgers.
>
> Employees continue to wear masks except when behind plexiglass at cash register.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, at 9:32 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
>> Cloth masks do protect the wearer – breathing in less coronavirus
>> means you get less sick
>> https://theconversation.com/cloth-masks-do-protect-the-wearer-breathin
>> g-in-less-coronavirus-means-you-get-less-sick-143726
>>
>> And here's her paper in J Gen Intern Med:
>>
>> Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the
>> Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer
>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-020-06067-8
>>
>> Sooooo, if the right-wingers would simply wear a damned mask, their
>> open-up and herd immunity arguments would be at least somewhat
>> defensible ... getting out, getting infected, *with* masks as a way to
>> increase our collective bio-defense, relatively safely.
>>
>> --
>> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ
>>
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thompnickson2

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

ALL OF IT!!!!

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 10:09 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity

> Aw crap, people. Can't we get Dave out of there!!!!!????

I think he LIKES it there? (bunker in UT)

Or do you mean inside a mask behind plexiglass telling people they cant refill their own cups or slop their own mustard (whilst winking)?

>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University
> [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:54 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity
>
> Anecdotal means nothing.
>
> Kane County, where I live, recorded its first COVID death last week — 84 year old woman who had been hospitalized prior, with "multiple contributing health issues."
>
> Working in the store, I see a couple of thousand people every day. Weekdays, with mostly locals, 80% wear masks. Weekends and holidays 50%+ tourists, mask rate drops to maybe 60%. Interestingly, 80-90 percent of those not wearing masks are the tourists - a large majority of whom are from California and Nevada.Most locals not wearing masks are ranchers and the coal miners - people working outside all day.
>
> This week was bow hunting season, and close to zero percent of hunters came in wearing masks. Camo, yes, masks, no.
>
> The store rescinded its "no refills" policy this week. And next week is allowing people to put their own condiments, from bulk containers of sliced tomatoes, onions, lettuce, sauce - on their burgers.
>
> Employees continue to wear masks except when behind plexiglass at cash register.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, at 9:32 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
>> Cloth masks do protect the wearer – breathing in less coronavirus
>> means you get less sick
>> https://theconversation.com/cloth-masks-do-protect-the-wearer-breathi
>> n
>> g-in-less-coronavirus-means-you-get-less-sick-143726
>>
>> And here's her paper in J Gen Intern Med:
>>
>> Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the
>> Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer
>> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-020-06067-8
>>
>> Sooooo, if the right-wingers would simply wear a damned mask, their
>> open-up and herd immunity arguments would be at least somewhat
>> defensible ... getting out, getting infected, *with* masks as a way
>> to increase our collective bio-defense, relatively safely.
>>
>> --
>> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ
>>
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Prof David West

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

Nick and all,

I know my employment situation has been raised on the list and at vFRIAM. I know that several of you have expressed a willingness to explore alternatives. I really, really, appreciate it.

Unfortunately for me, I seem to be unemployable in my former profession. I am not technical enough to get past HR, I do have a reputation as a bit of extreme contrarian when it comes to Software Engineering, Scrum (really hate it), Lean, and all but the XP form of Agile. Plus, I am old. (I had a job offer at Spotify, until the team I was to work with — 3 women and one man, all in early to mid-twenties — met me in a video interview. You could see the look on their faces and know it was all over in less than ten seconds.)

I attached the resume to illustrate the problem. I would have been perfect at the job Frank recommended and have made it to a video interview, but will be surprised, from correspondence with them, if it goes further.

I keep trying, and your well wishes are truly appreciated.

davew

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, at 11:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> ALL OF IT!!!!
>
> Nicholas Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> Clark University
> [hidden email]
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity
>
>
> > Aw crap, people. Can't we get Dave out of there!!!!!????
>
> I think he LIKES it there? (bunker in UT)
>
> Or do you mean inside a mask behind plexiglass telling people they cant
> refill their own cups or slop their own mustard (whilst winking)?
>
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Nicholas Thompson
> > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University
> > [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:54 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity
> >
> > Anecdotal means nothing.
> >
> > Kane County, where I live, recorded its first COVID death last week — 84 year old woman who had been hospitalized prior, with "multiple contributing health issues."
> >
> > Working in the store, I see a couple of thousand people every day. Weekdays, with mostly locals, 80% wear masks. Weekends and holidays 50%+ tourists, mask rate drops to maybe 60%. Interestingly, 80-90 percent of those not wearing masks are the tourists - a large majority of whom are from California and Nevada.Most locals not wearing masks are ranchers and the coal miners - people working outside all day.
> >
> > This week was bow hunting season, and close to zero percent of hunters came in wearing masks. Camo, yes, masks, no.
> >
> > The store rescinded its "no refills" policy this week. And next week is allowing people to put their own condiments, from bulk containers of sliced tomatoes, onions, lettuce, sauce - on their burgers.
> >
> > Employees continue to wear masks except when behind plexiglass at cash register.
> >
> > davew
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, at 9:32 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> >> Cloth masks do protect the wearer – breathing in less coronavirus
> >> means you get less sick
> >> https://theconversation.com/cloth-masks-do-protect-the-wearer-breathi
> >> n
> >> g-in-less-coronavirus-means-you-get-less-sick-143726
> >>
> >> And here's her paper in J Gen Intern Med:
> >>
> >> Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the
> >> Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer
> >> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-020-06067-8
> >>
> >> Sooooo, if the right-wingers would simply wear a damned mask, their
> >> open-up and herd immunity arguments would be at least somewhat
> >> defensible ... getting out, getting infected, *with* masks as a way
> >> to increase our collective bio-defense, relatively safely.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ
> >>
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Jochen Fromm-5

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

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Yes, I think there is a strong correlation between viral dose and symptom severity. There are many victims among the medical personnel. This indicates that there is a connection between heavy viral doses and severe symptoms.

-J.

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Date: 8/19/20 17:33 (GMT+01:00)

To: FriAM <[hidden email]>

Subject: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity

Jochen Fromm-5

Re: viral dose ∝ symptom severity

In reply to this post by Prof David West

Dave,

I would hire you immediately. Unfortunately I don't have a high ranking position in my company and have no say when it comes to the question who is hired or not. I have worked the last 12 years for https://www.tdreply.de . One of my colleagues, Daniel S., is American, he is from the east coast and works as a data engineer here in Berlin in my team. For people who write code, data engineers and data scientists seem to have the best opportunities at the moment.

For experienced experts who want to become a manger a "consultant" is always an option. The higher you come in the corporate hierarchy, the more you work with Excel and Email and the more you spend your time in meetings. The company I work for belongs to the Italian Reply group, and they have an American subcompany Valorem. Valorem has job offers for example in Kansas City, and you can even say you know someone from the Reply group (me). I think they do a lot of Microsoft stuff.

https://www.valoremreply.com/careers/

If you are in favor of Microsoft, they have open jobs around the world, too, including Europe

https://careers.microsoft.com/professionals/us/en/locations#Europe

Apple and Amazon are looking around the world too. The IT world has changed. As a developer one is in a direct competition now with millions of competitors around the world who all have access to GitHub, Google and StackOverflow.

-J.

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Date: 8/19/20 20:18 (GMT+01:00)

To: [hidden email]

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] viral dose ∝ symptom severity