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jon zingale
The model as I understand it this far begins by considering a room with
a thermostat which regulates the temperature of the room via a mechanism
involving a bent piece of metal. Further, there is a dial on the thermostat
so that a person that is dissatisfied with the present goals of the
thermostat can change those goals by acting on the dial functionally.

A list of functions that the thermostat may serve include: keeping the
metal bent a certain amount, keeping the room at 70, keeping the room at
80, increasing the entropy of the universe contingently, etc... While
some of these functions persist for any perturbation of the list
(keeping the metal bent and increasing the entropy of the universe, say),
a person in the room may select functionality for less trivial reasons,
they wish to be cooler in the room and a rigor-centric thinker may like
a way to speak carefully about these less stable, more transient, and
functions of human interest. Evolutionary theorists, for instance, may
wish to understand how the goals of organisms across generations change
as environmental forces act on the class of the organisms possible
functions, how the functions vary from generation to generation. I am
starting this thread with the intention to develop a language for speaking
about control systems like the thermostat and to explore a function-goal
distinction.

The way I can imagine one getting away with excluding the collection of
functions from the collection of goals is that they may actually be of
a different type. This isn't to say that we can't wrap goals up in the
clothes of a function and thus construe goals as functions, but doing
so is a very real operation across categories. It is in this sense that
I wish to begin exploring Nick's insistence that function and goal
be treated as different.



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Eric Charles-2
Not to change anything there, but to add some nuance:

It MIGHT be the case that the set of all possible goals and the set of all possible functions is isomorphic. Nick's assertion (100% for evolved systems, tentatively for the vast majority of control systems) is that for any given system we will find that the goal and the function differ. The goal of one system might well be the function of a different system. 

What are some of the issues we identified in our discussion? 

This distinction is fairly intuitive for the evolutionary biologists in the group, because the "evolutionary function" is more or less a given. 

The distinction is less intuitive for many others on the list, because (I hypothesized at the end) the function of our standard-discussion control systems is determined by a third party. For example, that the thermostat functions to "regulate temperature throughout the house" from the perspective of the homeowner.

Ultimately we identify both function and goal experimentally, and the two labels develop because two things differentiated experimentally (i.e., for the same reason different chemicals were differentiated by the early experimental chemists). 

Example: 

Certain gulls that nest on the ground clear broken eggs away from their nests. 

Does this serve an anti-parasite function or an anti-predation function? Well, ethologists did a boatload of experiments, and comparison of the behavior of other species, and it showed that the behavior serves the evolutionary function of reducing predation. Closely related species that nest on cliffs, where there are not predators, do not exhibit the behavior. Experimentally thwarting the egg clearing behavior increases predation rates on intact eggs still in the nest. No relation was found with parasite load or loss of eggs or young due to sickness. (Jon rightly pointed out that traits can serve many functions, and that "the function" just a shorthand for something like "we are pretty sure this is the most important one." We could easily pick different examples to show adaptation that optimizes the intersection of various functions.) Birds that, in the past, removed broken egg shells from around their nest, reproduced more successfully than birds that did not, due to egg removal reducing egg-predation incidences, and now all female-birds-in-that-species-with-eggs-in-their-nest exhibit that behavior. 

What is the goal of the birds? Well, you might think the goal of the birds was to thwart predation. It wasn't that long ago that evolutionary theorists thought it would all be that simple... but there are more experiments. To study the function, we studied what happens to the gull and its eggs and its young. To study goal we study what the gull does. Turns out, the gull doesn't change its behavior based on risk of predation, including whether it sees predators on the regular, whether neighboring nests or its own nest has been hit, or other similar factors (it changes other behaviors, but not this one). When we start seeing what it does or doesn't clear away, we find that it clears all sorts of things away, and lots of those don't affect predation rates. 

What we end up with, when issues are experimentally investigated in depth is most typically as follows: Members of Species A reliably generate Goal X under certain circumstances. In the current environment B, which we have reason to believe is similar to the ancestral environment in key ways, striving for Goal X produces Outcome Y, where Y promotes survival of the individual and/or the individual's offspring. Thus Y can be presumed to be the evolutionary function.  



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Department of Justice - Personnel Psychologist
American University - Adjunct Instructor


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:32 PM Jon Zingale <[hidden email]> wrote:
The model as I understand it this far begins by considering a room with
a thermostat which regulates the temperature of the room via a mechanism
involving a bent piece of metal. Further, there is a dial on the thermostat
so that a person that is dissatisfied with the present goals of the
thermostat can change those goals by acting on the dial functionally.

A list of functions that the thermostat may serve include: keeping the
metal bent a certain amount, keeping the room at 70, keeping the room at
80, increasing the entropy of the universe contingently, etc... While
some of these functions persist for any perturbation of the list
(keeping the metal bent and increasing the entropy of the universe, say),
a person in the room may select functionality for less trivial reasons,
they wish to be cooler in the room and a rigor-centric thinker may like
a way to speak carefully about these less stable, more transient, and
functions of human interest. Evolutionary theorists, for instance, may
wish to understand how the goals of organisms across generations change
as environmental forces act on the class of the organisms possible
functions, how the functions vary from generation to generation. I am
starting this thread with the intention to develop a language for speaking
about control systems like the thermostat and to explore a function-goal
distinction.

The way I can imagine one getting away with excluding the collection of
functions from the collection of goals is that they may actually be of
a different type. This isn't to say that we can't wrap goals up in the
clothes of a function and thus construe goals as functions, but doing
so is a very real operation across categories. It is in this sense that
I wish to begin exploring Nick's insistence that function and goal
be treated as different.



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Re: towards a description of a goal-function relation

jon zingale
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Thank you EricC for the additional nuance and clarifying examples. In
what follows I will attempt to lay out what I (mis)understand, ask
questions that I have, and further develop some thoughts. I look forward
to corrections and additions.

Before getting to the main content of this post, there are some points
of confusion for me between the thermostat model and the gull model worth
identifying. In the thermostat model, function (wanting the room to be
80 degrees) is founded upon setting the goal of the thermostat system
(keeping a metal switch bent) via the dial. On the other hand in the gull
model, the function is scoped much tighter to an evolutionary teleology, ie.
the function is defined in terms of what is good for the species.

That evolutionary theorists find it meaningful to distinguish goals from
function, I plan to consider them as different sorts of objects under
this investigation. It may be that some construal of the set of goals is
isomorphic to some construal of the set of evolutionary functions. Because
these concepts are given as different, I wish to preserve the possibility
that relevant categories exist where they are non-isomorphic[⇅][₾].
Taking steps in this direction, I think it may be useful to distinguish
the structural role that goals and functions play relative to one another
from the ways that they differ in their objective content.

Goals are tightly-scoped to individual action, in that, the behavior is
directed toward the satisfaction of a goal[†]. Goals, seen in this way, come
equipped with an associated mathematical function from the collection of
an individual's behaviors to an individual's satisfaction. In other words,
a behavior is goal-directed when it can be valued in terms of personal
satisfaction, satisfying an individual's need:

goalEval :: Behavior -> PersonalSatisfaction

Functions[⍾], on the other hand, are better interpreted in terms of the
species, in that, functional behaviors support the fitness of the species.
Evolutionary functions come equipped with a function from the collection
of an individual's behaviors to a valuation in terms of the species.

functionEval :: Behavior -> SpeciesSatisfaction

I consider the above descriptions of goal-directed and functional behavior
to be distinctions in the content of the objects themselves, differences
of type at the very least. Additionally, there may well be differences
wrt the way evolutionary functions relate to goal-directedness, structural
difference. Given the thermostat model, it seems that the founded-ness of
function upon goal (as alluded to above) suggests that it might be worth
characterizing variation in function as contravariant variation in goal.
Goals and functions are contingent on the behaviors of the individual.
While goals are directly observed in terms of what the organism does
(rubbing against an egg satisfies an itch, clearing away shell or fixing
the angle of a piece of metal), the function is discovered indirectly.
There is quite a bit more to think through here than I have managed to
do, but I feel that this observation may be as important to understanding
the goal-function relation as the content of the objects themselves. In
fact, it can easily account for why we would interpret a goal as being
distinct from function, even if the categories of each were in fact the
same. Mostly for my own notes, further reading on the importance of
this structural distinction can be found here [⁂].

[⇅] Here, by category, I am referring to a mathematical category that is
to be understood as preserving some phenomenological notion or other via
the notion of isomorphism. Size is the notion preserved by isomorphism
in the case of sets. Dimension is the preserved notion in the case of
vector spaces. Symmetry is the preserved notion in the case of groups.
Closeness is the preserved notion in the case of topological spaces...

[₾] For instance and allowing for some hand waving, in treating Goal and
Function as the same we may rush to assume the same open set structure
on both. Now, a small perturbation of the goals may satisfy the laying hen
(by satisfying her itch), but doing so may fail to preserve the hen's
laying-evolutionary function to regulate the temperature of her eggs.
What would begin as a continuity preserving isomorphism would fail to
preserve the topological structure necessary to our theory.

[†] For the sake of style and clarity I will attempt to speak more
directly than some readers may feel I have the authority to do. Please
understand that I understand that I have no expertise here :)

[⍾] By goals I understand us to mean something like instrumental goals
and by functions something like evolutionary function. Because of the
obnoxious overlap with other commonly used referents, I will try to
distinguish typographically or explicitly when otherwise ambiguous.

[⁂] https://altexploit.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/1992-categories-of-space-and-quantity.pdf
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thompnickson2
Jon,

Your RE: line shows me that you understand precisely the nature of the
problem, and that you are addressing it head on.  I am truly grateful that .
However, for some reason, I have been feeling very muddle-brained all week
(since I failed the Trump Test), and so fear that I may not be able to meet
this post at the level it deserves.  I am hoping that Eric and others may be
able to fill in for me. Perhaps I may be able to pull myself together and
catch up over the weekend.

At the risk of doing that thing that Glen says I do, let me pick out and
hammer on one point.  The function of a structure or behavior can NEVER be
the preservation of the species.  This is an example of the very principle
we are struggling with here.  To the extent that function is "that for which
nature selects", nature cannot select for the preservation of the species,
because, by the nature of species, the species is the repository of all the
effects of differential reproduction.  For selection to operate at the level
of the species, there would have to be one or more competing species, and
species, by and large, mostly, do not compete.  (That is why they are said
to occupy different "niches". ) They eat one another, but that is not
competition.  Even when they do compete, species do not have the coherence
and variety to serve as units of selection.  For these same reasons, group
selection of any kind is controversial in evolutionary thought, but most
everybody agrees that benefit to the species, as such, is not an
evolutionary cause.   What selection dictates, in the gull case, is not that
"gulls survive", but that egg shell removal has arisen because those gulls
that remove egg shells are prayed upon by foxes less than those that do not.
The survival of gulls is an "unintended consequence" of  selection upon
eggshell removal.

Thanks for pitching in and helping with our understanding of the
goal/function relation.

Nick


Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
 


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another attempt to fix the broken threads...



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Eric Charles-2
I think Jon's post was definitely getting us somewhere. I had a bunch of knee jerk reactions I wanted to let calm down (including the one Nick brought up). 

I think at this time the most important thing I want to emphasize is that the distinction in question is one found via experimental investigation, not arm chair speculation. It isn't an arbitrary distinction Nick and I "find it meaningful" to make, it is a distinction revealed empirically. 

Water exposed to electrolysis makes gas. If you arrange your apparatus correctly, you can collect gas separately off each electrode. If you investigate those gasses you find that they behave differently in numerous ways. At that point, it is weird to say that chemists "find it meaningful to distinguish" the two gases. It isn't that saying that is, strictly speaking, incorrect, but it implies an arbitrariness about the whole thing. 

But this is actually a bigger distinction than that, logically speaking. 

When ethologists started asking "why is that animal behaving in that fashion?" they used a variety of different methods, and found that some methods produced different types of answers than other methods. Sometimes when that happens, you keep trying to do science and end up with a jumbled mess, but that's not what happened here. Time and time again set-of-methods A converged one answer, while set-of-methods B converged on a different one. And in decades of investigation by a field of Biology recognized well enough to get three people Nobel Prizes, never once did the two sets of methods settle upon the same answer. At that point, the reasonable conclusion is that set-of-methods A is measuring one thing, while set-of-methods B is measuring a different thing.  Looking at the methods and the findings across numerous, numerous studies: Set-of-methods A seems to point at the evolutionary function of the behavior in question, while set-of-methods B seems to point at the immediate goal of the organism. We could imagine living in a world where those were not different things; many early evolutionary theorists thought no such distinction would be found; and even some current evolutionary theorists talk as if no such distinction exists (exasperating those of us steeped in the relevant literature). But, it turns out, the distinction is there. 

So this is less like the distinction between hydrogen and oxygen, and more like the distinction between PH and surface tension. They are distinguished by fundamentally different methods of investigation. You could imagine a "possible world" in which PH and surface tension perfectly coincided, but that isn't the world we live in. Yes, chemistis "find it meaningful to distinguish" between PH and surface tension, but phrasing it that way suggests the issue is being approached oddly. 


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Department of Justice - Personnel Psychologist
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:16 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jon,

Your RE: line shows me that you understand precisely the nature of the
problem, and that you are addressing it head on.  I am truly grateful that .
However, for some reason, I have been feeling very muddle-brained all week
(since I failed the Trump Test), and so fear that I may not be able to meet
this post at the level it deserves.  I am hoping that Eric and others may be
able to fill in for me. Perhaps I may be able to pull myself together and
catch up over the weekend.

At the risk of doing that thing that Glen says I do, let me pick out and
hammer on one point.  The function of a structure or behavior can NEVER be
the preservation of the species.  This is an example of the very principle
we are struggling with here.  To the extent that function is "that for which
nature selects", nature cannot select for the preservation of the species,
because, by the nature of species, the species is the repository of all the
effects of differential reproduction.  For selection to operate at the level
of the species, there would have to be one or more competing species, and
species, by and large, mostly, do not compete.  (That is why they are said
to occupy different "niches". ) They eat one another, but that is not
competition.  Even when they do compete, species do not have the coherence
and variety to serve as units of selection.  For these same reasons, group
selection of any kind is controversial in evolutionary thought, but most
everybody agrees that benefit to the species, as such, is not an
evolutionary cause.   What selection dictates, in the gull case, is not that
"gulls survive", but that egg shell removal has arisen because those gulls
that remove egg shells are prayed upon by foxes less than those that do not.
The survival of gulls is an "unintended consequence" of  selection upon
eggshell removal.

Thanks for pitching in and helping with our understanding of the
goal/function relation.

Nick


Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/



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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] towards a description of a goal-function relation

another attempt to fix the broken threads...



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Thank you, Nick and Eric, for the corrections, direction, and help as I
grapple with these ideas that you both are so familiar with. Taking a
step back, it appears that evolutionary theorists identify function in
the epiphenomena arising from underlying mechanisms. What connection the
epiphenomena have to the mechanisms can often be elusive, illusory, and
hotly debated. Must the mechanisms related to a flowing river give rise
to a meaningful[Ȣ] function? Moreover and seemingly less to the point,
evolutionary functions are sought after that can be identified as being
preserved inter-generationally in some sense. The survival of gulls is
an unintended consequence of selection upon eggshell removal.

While goals are related to the satisfaction of the individual, the
function is not so simply defined. As Nick has pointed out many times in
our conversations, function may better be understood in relation to a
concept of design[‖]. Perhaps it would be better to imagine function as
needing to satisfy the specification of some design[※]. The styrofoam
herding robot knows nothing of styrofoam, the bent metal in my thermo-
stat knows nothing of comfort, the maple pod knows nothing of the
journey or what it means to be distributed evenly, and the gull makes
no connection between removing shells and predation. However the theory
is to account for function, it will need to be in a language capable of
describing side effects as first-class citizens.

Eric relates the discovery of a goal-function distinction in evolutionary
theory to the discovery of the surface tension-PH distinction in chemistry.
Whether intentionally identified or just a side effect of his argument,
surface tension and PH are decidedly examples of intensive quantities and
so are of a type best characterized by contravariant functors[⁂]. The
connections here to contravariant logical notions (pullbacks, sections,
equalizers, finite limits, etc...) may have very real manifestations wrt
how we must investigate such ideas empirically. Ideas like this are
hinted at in Lawvere's work, but also seem to trace back further to
thinkers like Clifford Truesdell and others that struggled with rational
thermodynamics. From what I gather from those works, there ought
to be a tight connection between the logic of a notion and the methods
we employ in coming to understand the notion.

To the extent that this much may be passable, I hope to find some time
this week to work through the possible connection to contravariant
functors, to reason further in analogy to free constructions, and extend
the analogy to exaptations and spandrels. Again, I invite additional
corrections, comments, and nuance.

Jon

[Ȣ] By meaningful I exactly mean non-arbitrary. I would say that notions
like energy and momentum are meaningful to the physicist, for instance,
not because they are arbitrary but because they have a privileged place
relative to the art and the artisans that work there. The scientific
enterprise is a meaning-making enterprise and to say that such-and-such
idea is meaningful to the artisan is to emphasize its value relative to the art.

[‖] In a parallel post, I attempt to spell out a mathematical construction
that I believe can be an example if not a template relating design,
epiphenomena, and higher-order structure in mathematics. That this
construction can alternatively be interpreted as a post hoc justification,
gives a limiting case for not needing a designer to have a design.
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/How-is-a-vector-space-like-an-evolutionary-function-td7597965.html

[⁂] Footnoted again, but this time with an added emphasis on page 20:
https://altexploit.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/1992-categories-of-space-and-quantity.pdf
"By contrast, an intensive quantity-type is a contravariant functor,
taking coproducts to products, from a distributive category, but now a
functor whose values have a multiplicative structure as well as an
additive structure.
"

[※] To act as touchstones, I am adding this list of functions:
1. herd styrofoam (http://www.verena-hafner.de/teaching/didabots.pdf)
2. maintain a comfortable temperature in the house
3. spread seeds far and evenly
4. avoid predation

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thompnickson2

Jon,

 

Tomorrow I have to clarify the goal, selection, function, that-for-which-designed muddle I have created.  Over the 40 years I wrote about this, I slightly changed my tune, and it’s no fair to you to have you working at this if I don’t have my own language straight.  In the meantime, I attach, in case you have not seen it before, the first paper in which I laid it out, which has myriad examples of the distinction, set forth in a very condensed format. 

 

Thanks for helping me think about this. 

 

Bed,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jon Zingale
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] towards a description of a goal-function relation

 

Thank you, Nick and Eric, for the corrections, direction, and help as I
grapple with these ideas that you both are so familiar with. Taking a
step back, it appears that evolutionary theorists identify function in
the epiphenomena arising from underlying mechanisms. What connection the
epiphenomena have to the mechanisms can often be elusive, illusory, and
hotly debated. Must the mechanisms related to a flowing river give rise
to a meaningful[
Ȣ] function? Moreover and seemingly less to the point,
evolutionary functions are sought after that can be identified as being
preserved inter-generationally in some sense. The survival of gulls is
an unintended consequence of selection upon eggshell removal.

While goals are related to the satisfaction of the individual, the
function is not so simply defined. As Nick has pointed out many times in
our conversations, function may better be understood in relation to a
concept of design[
]. Perhaps it would be better to imagine function as
needing to satisfy the specification of some design[
]. The styrofoam
herding robot knows nothing of styrofoam, the bent metal in my thermo-
stat knows nothing of comfort, the maple pod knows nothing of the
journey or what it means to be distributed evenly, and the gull makes
no connection between removing shells and predation. However the theory
is to account for function, it will need to be in a language capable of
describing side effects as first-class citizens.

Eric relates the discovery of a goal-function distinction in evolutionary
theory to the discovery of the surface tension-PH distinction in chemistry.
Whether intentionally identified or just a side effect of his argument,
surface tension and PH are decidedly examples of intensive quantities and
so are of a type best characterized by contravariant functors[
]. The
connections here to contravariant logical notions (pullbacks, sections,
equalizers, finite limits, etc...) may have very real manifestations wrt
how we must investigate such ideas empirically. Ideas like this are
hinted at in Lawvere's work, but also seem to trace back further to
thinkers like Clifford Truesdell and others that struggled with rational
thermodynamics. From what I gather from those works, there ought

to be a tight connection between the logic of a notion and the methods

we employ in coming to understand the notion.

To the extent that this much may be passable, I hope to find some time
this week to work through the possible connection to contravariant
functors, to reason further in analogy to free constructions, and extend
the analogy to exaptations and spandrels. Again, I invite additional
corrections, comments, and nuance.

 

Jon


[
Ȣ] By meaningful I exactly mean non-arbitrary. I would say that notions
like energy and momentum are meaningful to the physicist, for instance,
not because they are arbitrary but because they have a privileged place
relative to the art and the artisans that work there. The scientific
enterprise is a meaning-making enterprise and to say that such-and-such
idea is meaningful to the artisan is to emphasize its value relative to the art.

[
] In a parallel post, I attempt to spell out a mathematical construction
that I believe can be an example if not a template relating design,
epiphenomena, and higher-order structure in mathematics. That this
construction can alternatively be interpreted as a post hoc justification,
gives a limiting case for not needing a designer to have a design.

http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/How-is-a-vector-space-like-an-evolutionary-function-td7597965.html

[
] Footnoted again, but this time with an added emphasis on page 20:
https://altexploit.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/1992-categories-of-space-and-quantity.pdf
"By contrast, an intensive quantity-type is a contravariant functor,
taking coproducts to products, from a distributive category, but now a
functor whose values have a multiplicative structure as well as an
additive structure.
"

[
] To act as touchstones, I am adding this list of functions:
1. herd styrofoam (http://www.verena-hafner.de/teaching/didabots.pdf)
2. maintain a comfortable temperature in the house
3. spread seeds far and evenly
4. avoid predation


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Re: towards a description of a goal-function relation

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I'm not a huge fan of larding.... but I'm going to attempt it below. 

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Department of Justice - Personnel Psychologist
American University - Adjunct Instructor


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:09 AM Jon Zingale <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you, Nick and Eric, for the corrections, direction, and help as I
grapple with these ideas that you both are so familiar with. Taking a
step back, it appears that evolutionary theorists identify function in
the epiphenomena arising from underlying mechanisms.
<I'm not sure what you mean by "mechanism" here, but I'm leaning towards agreement. Function can be identefied independent of mechanism.> What connection the
epiphenomena have to the mechanisms can often be elusive, illusory, and
hotly debated. <Yes. Nick and I have been putting forth well worn examples, but in the moment there is often hot debate, including assertions that certain complex phenomena are non-functional (spandrals, genetic drift, etc.). For example, there are decades of arguments about the function of primate mating strategies (monogy, polyandry, polygyny), the liturature is huge and gnarled.> Must the mechanisms related to a flowing river give rise
to a meaningful[Ȣ] function? Moreover and seemingly less to the point,
evolutionary functions are sought after that can be identified as being
preserved inter-generationally in some sense. <Well... kinda....  I would say that, among evolutionary biologists, "Because it serves an evolutionary function" is a strongly desired answer to the question "Why did X preserve inter-generationally?"> The survival of gulls is
an unintended consequence of selection upon eggshell removal. <I'm not sure I would phrase it that way, but it seems like a plausible phrasing. That would be one way of emphasizing the "natural" part of the "natural selection" metaphor. Gulls that removed egg shells out-reproduced those that did not and, as a result, over countless generations, we now only have gulls that remove egg shells. (In that species.) However, contra examples of domestic-animal selection, there is no being that is intendeding the consequence for the gulls; and in that sense, it is unintended.>
While goals are related to the satisfaction of the individual, the
function is not so simply defined. As Nick has pointed out many times in
our conversations, function may better be understood in relation to a
concept of design[‖]. Perhaps it would be better to imagine function as
needing to satisfy the specification of some design[※]. <Yes, in Nick's solution to various conceptual problems in evolutionary theory, "function" and "design" and "adaptation" become roughly (possibly completely) synonymous. The three terms get at the way the organism matches it's circumstances, which we can only tell through experimentation and higher-order comparisons of various kinds.> The styrofoam
herding robot knows nothing of styrofoam, the bent metal in my thermo-
stat knows nothing of comfort, the maple pod knows nothing of the
journey or what it means to be distributed evenly, and the gull makes
no connection between removing shells and predation. However the theory
is to account for function, it will need to be in a language capable of
describing side effects as first-class citizens. <That sounds promissing.>

Eric relates the discovery of a goal-function distinction in evolutionary
theory to the discovery of the surface tension-PH distinction in chemistry.
Whether intentionally identified or just a side effect of his argument,
surface tension and PH are decidedly examples of intensive quantities and
so are of a type best characterized by contravariant functors[⁂]. <It would seem that was accidental, but maybe it was a fortuitous accident!> The
connections here to contravariant logical notions (pullbacks, sections,
equalizers, finite limits, etc...) may have very real manifestations wrt
how we must investigate such ideas empirically. Ideas like this are
hinted at in Lawvere's work, but also seem to trace back further to
thinkers like Clifford Truesdell and others that struggled with rational
thermodynamics. From what I gather from those works, there ought
to be a tight connection between the logic of a notion and the methods
we employ in coming to understand the notion. <This whole paragraph sounds plausible... but it would probably be a pretty long discussion before I fully understood what you were getting at. The last part sounds very Pragmatic (philosophically).>

To the extent that this much may be passable, I hope to find some time
this week to work through the possible connection to contravariant
functors, to reason further in analogy to free constructions, and extend
the analogy to exaptations and spandrels. Again, I invite additional
corrections, comments, and nuance.

Jon

[Ȣ] By meaningful I exactly mean non-arbitrary. I would say that notions
like energy and momentum are meaningful to the physicist, for instance,
not because they are arbitrary but because they have a privileged place
relative to the art and the artisans that work there. The scientific
enterprise is a meaning-making enterprise and to say that such-and-such
idea is meaningful to the artisan is to emphasize its value relative to the art.

[‖] In a parallel post, I attempt to spell out a mathematical construction
that I believe can be an example if not a template relating design,
epiphenomena, and higher-order structure in mathematics. That this
construction can alternatively be interpreted as a post hoc justification,
gives a limiting case for not needing a designer to have a design.
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/How-is-a-vector-space-like-an-evolutionary-function-td7597965.html

[⁂] Footnoted again, but this time with an added emphasis on page 20:
https://altexploit.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/1992-categories-of-space-and-quantity.pdf
"By contrast, an intensive quantity-type is a contravariant functor,
taking coproducts to products, from a distributive category, but now a
functor whose values have a multiplicative structure as well as an
additive structure.
"

[※] To act as touchstones, I am adding this list of functions:
1. herd styrofoam (http://www.verena-hafner.de/teaching/didabots.pdf)
2. maintain a comfortable temperature in the house
3. spread seeds far and evenly
4. avoid predation
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