"rational" discussion

[Prof David West]

for Nick, who is constantly interested in the feasibility of such things:  https://www.kialo.com/

dave west

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[gepr]

Sites like that always seem susceptible to myopia or tunnel vision.  I'm th[ia]nking e.g. Stanley's "Myth of the Objective" and the (notorious) failures in early genetic algorithm fitness functions ... etc.  The best part of collaborative filtering is the exploration it enables, not the convergence onto a truth or answer.  For that, Kialo's "possible duplicate claims" might be useful ... but perhaps no more useful than permuting one's Google queries on a regular basis.

I suppose it's reasonable to think that anyone focused on "rational" discussion would be similarly enthralled by The Truth or objective, however ill-formed.  But I tend to think of "rational" as the ability to re-ration at will, not as the desire to pick a particular rationing and write it in stone forever.  So, Kialo's voting/tallying thing seems to be yet another way to poll for opinions.  ... maybe or maybe not [†] a *better* way to poll  but nonetheless a poll ... and on the internet even.

[†] My guess is there are those who will/do play the Kialo game enough to become true gamers and guide the collaborative decision making to their desired conclusion.

On 11/28/18 9:34 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> for Nick, who is constantly interested in the feasibility of such things:  https://www.kialo.com/


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[Nick Thompson]

Hi, David,

Thanks for this.  I spent some time with kialo today (with the Bush funeral
playing in the background.)   You are right, it is the kind of thing I had
in mind.  I found it oddly disappointing.  The comments seemed to lack
conviction.  I am not sure what I mean by that except to say that I got no
sense that anybody was trying to convince anybody of anything.  I have begun
to conceive of a reality show in which teams of people, each team composed
of a great variety of political persuasions compete to discover an agreement
on  a political problem, the team coming up with the best solution winning
big bucks.   Of course there would have to be some sort of judging to keep
groups from arriving at cynical agreements.  I think a discussion is most
useful when people disagree but have, for some reason, to come up with a
solution.  

Anyway, I will continue to study on  https://www.kialo.com/

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/


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for Nick, who is constantly interested in the feasibility of such things:
https://www.kialo.com/

dave west

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