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Nick Thompson

Hi, everybody,

 

Still in Massachusetts, where there is a bit of a boom in large, industrial scale, solar arrays.  There is a multi-acre array nearby that is said to make static as you drive by it.  Is there anything that these arrays could be emitting?   Or could the structure of the thing be “resonating” to something and amplifying it? 

 

Wearing my tin hat, today.

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: radiation from solar arrays

cody dooderson
Are you talking about static on your car radio, or static electricity? Static electricity would be weird, but I bet somebody could explain the static on a car radio. 

Cody Smith

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, everybody,

 

Still in Massachusetts, where there is a bit of a boom in large, industrial scale, solar arrays.  There is a multi-acre array nearby that is said to make static as you drive by it.  Is there anything that these arrays could be emitting?   Or could the structure of the thing be “resonating” to something and amplifying it? 

 

Wearing my tin hat, today.

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: radiation from solar arrays

glen ep ropella

I took him to mean noises (outside) you hear as you drive by, because up here there are several large power transmission lines you float under when you're rafting or hike under up in the mountains; and when you're near these power lines, you can hear a very loud crackling hum/hiss... like a Jacob's Ladder, but with a constant set of tones:

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXiOQCRiSp0


On 09/03/2015 08:49 AM, cody dooderson wrote:

> Are you talking about static on your car radio, or static electricity?
> Static electricity would be weird, but I bet somebody could explain the
> static on a car radio.
>
> Cody Smith
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, everybody,
>>
>>
>>
>> Still in Massachusetts, where there is a bit of a boom in large,
>> industrial scale, solar arrays.  There is a multi-acre array nearby that is
>> said to make static as you drive by it.  Is there anything that these
>> arrays could be emitting?   Or could the structure of the thing be
>> “resonating” to something and amplifying it?

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Re: radiation from solar arrays

Gillian Densmore
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Can you give some clarification about the rumours? Is there a radio station neerby? your cars radeo turned on, and the station it was tuned to lost signal? Maybe they use some kind of radio to make adjustestments and  pointed twards the sun, and cars passing by pick that up?

Some configurations can cause noise to be picked up by radeos as well a problem discussed here:
http://www.arrl.org/power-line-noise

I suppose if the solar panels are collecting energy. That energy needs to get to the cities somehow.  That might do it?


Anecdotally I've heard some cool sounds neer large number of solar pannels. I thought it might be related to wind somehow

On a off chance it's some kind of experiment I did a quick google search using those terms and some people from 2010 talked about possible using static electricity collection somehow to supplement them.
http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2010/august/electricity-collected-from-the-air-could-become-the-newest-alternative-energy-source.html







On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, everybody,

 

Still in Massachusetts, where there is a bit of a boom in large, industrial scale, solar arrays.  There is a multi-acre array nearby that is said to make static as you drive by it.  Is there anything that these arrays could be emitting?   Or could the structure of the thing be “resonating” to something and amplifying it? 

 

Wearing my tin hat, today.

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: radiation from solar arrays

Nick Thompson
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Hi, Jim,

What is alleged is that the sound is similar to that made while passing under power lines but louder.  Just to clarify, it is a sound picked up by a car radio as one passes near the array.  I guess I was wondering two things:  could the array generate rf's, and, if so, of what frequency?  Or, Could an array of that size pick up and amplify rf's via resonance?  

This is admittedly one of my balmy, idiot-inquiries, but I wondered if anybody had a first thought.  

Hope you all are well.  I look forward to getting back to SF.

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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hey Nick.

does it make a static-y noise or actual static electricity?

jim

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Subject: [FRIAM] radiation from solar arrays
From: "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sep 3, 2015 9:12 AM
To: "Friam" <[hidden email]>
CC:

Hi, everybody,

 

Still in Massachusetts, where there is a bit of a boom in large, industrial scale, solar arrays.  There is a multi-acre array nearby that is said to make static as you drive by it.  Is there anything that these arrays could
be emitting?   Or could the structure of the thing be "resonating" to
something and amplifying it?  

 

Wearing my tin hat, today.

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

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Humbucking: Was radiation from solar arrays

Steve Smith
Nick -
Hi, Jim,

What is alleged is that the sound is similar to that made while passing under power lines but louder.  Just to clarify, it is a sound picked up by a car radio as one passes near the array.  I guess I was wondering two things:  could the array generate rf's, and, if so, of what frequency?  Or, Could an array of that size pick up and amplify rf's via resonance?
Probably not much in the RF spectrum from the DC current coming out of the PV arrays themselves... however, the business of turning that into 120/240/480/xKW high voltage transmission-grade 60hz AC could very well be leaking RF frequency radiation...  just like the powerlines overhead do.  

There is a Wikipedia article on "Mains Hum" that might give you a better idea of the details of the myriad electromechanical coupling modes that can lead to the complex spectral energy often encountered in such systems.

You might approach the operators of the power plant and suggest that they try humbucking their systems, but be sure to enunciate clearly as they might mistake your suggestion for something more rude like Humbuggery which of course is phonetically but not etymologically related to general buggery!
  

This is admittedly one of my balmy, idiot-inquiries, but I wondered if anybody had a first thought.  
Your "balmy" inquiries always yield the best humbuckery and hobknobbery here, so don't stop!

See you soon!

- Steve

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Re: radiation from solar arrays

Gillian Densmore
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Well one could say once you know more about how cool solar panels are, your are now enlightned
(*rimshot*)


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Jim,

What is alleged is that the sound is similar to that made while passing under power lines but louder.  Just to clarify, it is a sound picked up by a car radio as one passes near the array.  I guess I was wondering two things:  could the array generate rf's, and, if so, of what frequency?  Or, Could an array of that size pick up and amplify rf's via resonance?

This is admittedly one of my balmy, idiot-inquiries, but I wondered if anybody had a first thought.

Hope you all are well.  I look forward to getting back to SF.

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:52 PM
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hey Nick.

does it make a static-y noise or actual static electricity?

jim

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Subject: [FRIAM] radiation from solar arrays
From: "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sep 3, 2015 9:12 AM
To: "Friam" <[hidden email]>
CC:

Hi, everybody,



Still in Massachusetts, where there is a bit of a boom in large, industrial scale, solar arrays.  There is a multi-acre array nearby that is said to make static as you drive by it.  Is there anything that these arrays could
be emitting?   Or could the structure of the thing be "resonating" to
something and amplifying it?



Wearing my tin hat, today.



Nick



Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/



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Re: Humbucking: Was radiation from solar arrays

jpgirard
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Steve's point about the conversion of the solar DC to AC most likely being the problem seems accurate.

A little more research shows that DC & solar arrays are not subject to FCC part B regs on RF interference.


I don't think it's much to worry about if all it's doing is affecting some local radios.  FM receivers are pretty sensitive pieces of equipment.

-Jim
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Subject: [FRIAM] Humbucking: Was radiation from solar arrays
From: Steve Smith <[hidden email]>
Date: Thu, September 03, 2015 1:35 pm
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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Nick -
Hi, Jim,

What is alleged is that the sound is similar to that made while passing under power lines but louder.  Just to clarify, it is a sound picked up by a car radio as one passes near the array.  I guess I was wondering two things:  could the array generate rf's, and, if so, of what frequency?  Or, Could an array of that size pick up and amplify rf's via resonance?
Probably not much in the RF spectrum from the DC current coming out of the PV arrays themselves... however, the business of turning that into 120/240/480/xKW high voltage transmission-grade 60hz AC could very well be leaking RF frequency radiation...  just like the powerlines overhead do.  

There is a Wikipedia article on "Mains Hum" that might give you a better idea of the details of the myriad electromechanical coupling modes that can lead to the complex spectral energy often encountered in such systems.

You might approach the operators of the power plant and suggest that they try humbucking their systems, but be sure to enunciate clearly as they might mistake your suggestion for something more rude like Humbuggery which of course is phonetically but not etymologically related to general buggery!
  

This is admittedly one of my balmy, idiot-inquiries, but I wondered if anybody had a first thought.  
Your "balmy" inquiries always yield the best humbuckery and hobknobbery here, so don't stop!

See you soon!

- Steve

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