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Frank Wimberly-2

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https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title

I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.

Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

Frank

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Russ Abbott

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It's available here.

-- Russ Abbott
Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:13 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title

I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.

Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

Frank

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gepr

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And here:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=Automated+Search+for+Causal+Relations%3A+Theory+and+Practice&btnG=

which is helpful because it shows 19 citations. Books aren't daunting. They're ossified and not (often) peer reviewed. The citations and references are WAY more interesting than the content.

On 8/25/20 12:29 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:

> It's available here <http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.359.5281&rep=rep1&type=pdf>.
>
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> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:13 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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> https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title
>
> I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.
>
> Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

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Frank Wimberly-2

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Great. Thanks Russ and Glen.

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 1:37 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:

And here:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48&q=Automated+Search+for+Causal+Relations%3A+Theory+and+Practice&btnG=

which is helpful because it shows 19 citations. Books aren't daunting. They're ossified and not (often) peer reviewed. The citations and references are WAY more interesting than the content.

On 8/25/20 12:29 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
> It's available here <http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.359.5281&rep=rep1&type=pdf>.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:13 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title
>
> I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.
>
> Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

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thompnickson2

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Very nice, Russ.

The abstract is very readable and makes me wish that I could understand what follows. I look foreward to an animated discussion of this paper amongst you wizards.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

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Clark University

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It's available here.

-- Russ Abbott
Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:13 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title

I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.

Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

Frank
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Steve Smith

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Frank -

https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title

I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.

I am able to read it online as a non-member but not able to "download".

Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

I did not take this area of work at all seriously until maybe a year ago... and I appreciate this link as a "smaller bite" to take than the whole book you referenced before.

Almost as an aside, I looked for some kind of contrast between this effort and that of Judea Pearl, and was surprised by this co-authorship: https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3AMadelyn+Glymour&s=relevancerank&text=Madelyn+Glymour&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_2

It seems Madelyn might be Clarke's (grand?)daughter and quite the polymath herself, having won a "Screenwriter" contest?

I *do* see that Glymour's book publications on the topic of Causal predate that of Pearls by a bit... it seems like Pearl has obtained the lion's share of public attention for his work? I'm not sure any of this matters... but it fascinated me and I will now try to take a big bite out of the paper you just referenced...

- Steve

Frank

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Frank Wimberly-2

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Madelyn is Clark's daughter and was a little girl when I knew her. The CMU people and the UCLA people (Pearl et al. He Is the father of Daniel Pearl) have long cooperated.

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 2:27 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Frank -

https://www.academia.edu/keypass/cHFjczFFMmZHUDF4em04U0hXMkdDL1IyRmRKRmI4c3VYbWFHY2crL1NxOD0tLW1jS1RtUi9EU0oySmtEck9FeEJCWnc9PQ==--9fbb49188f8eb90cc24a1781a1c49671222e77dd/t/ewjc6-N3UnAUt-baBacR/resource/work/3135365/Automated_search_for_causal_relations_Theory_and_practice?email_work_card=title

I hope the above link works for people who aren't Academia members.

I am able to read it online as a non-member but not able to "download".

Multiple times I have mentioned the book "Causation, Prediction, and Search" by my colleagues Spirtes, Glymour, and Scheines. I understand that the prospect of reading a long book can be daunting. Glen, in particular, has expressed his preference for articles. I just skimmed the above paper and realized that it gives an excellent and complete overview of the book. One of the themes is "sometimes correlation is causation."

I did not take this area of work at all seriously until maybe a year ago... and I appreciate this link as a "smaller bite" to take than the whole book you referenced before.

Almost as an aside, I looked for some kind of contrast between this effort and that of Judea Pearl, and was surprised by this co-authorship: https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3AMadelyn+Glymour&s=relevancerank&text=Madelyn+Glymour&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_2

It seems Madelyn might be Clarke's (grand?)daughter and quite the polymath herself, having won a "Screenwriter" contest?

I *do* see that Glymour's book publications on the topic of Causal predate that of Pearls by a bit... it seems like Pearl has obtained the lion's share of public attention for his work? I'm not sure any of this matters... but it fascinated me and I will now try to take a big bite out of the paper you just referenced...

- Steve
Frank

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Steve Smith

Re: Causation, Prediction, Search on Academia

Frank -
> Madelyn is Clark's daughter and was a little girl when I knew her.
> The CMU people and the UCLA people (Pearl et al. He Is the father of
> Daniel Pearl) have long cooperated.

I vaguely knew of the Daniel Pearl connection which was triggered by
Madelyn's name showing up... the various legacies (or whatever the
opposite of legacy is) of progeny.

I was shocked by a photo (over a decade old?) of Judea (now 82?) who
reminded me acutely of Charles Bronson in his most hardass of roles...

Thanks!

- Steve

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Frank Wimberly-2

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https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/16/2877902/judea-pearl-wins-turing-award-2011-ai-research

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505 670-9918
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 6:13 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Frank -
> Madelyn is Clark's daughter and was a little girl when I knew her.
> The CMU people and the UCLA people (Pearl et al. He Is the father of
> Daniel Pearl) have long cooperated.

I vaguely knew of the Daniel Pearl connection which was triggered by
Madelyn's name showing up... the various legacies (or whatever the
opposite of legacy is) of progeny.

I was shocked by a photo (over a decade old?) of Judea (now 82?) who
reminded me acutely of Charles Bronson in his most hardass of roles...

Thanks!

- Steve

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