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Gillian Densmore

cloud backup recomendations wanted

Hi all
In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
-Gillian Densmore

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Arlo Barnes

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I don't have an answer for your general question, but as for your Illustrator files: Google Docs recognizes few formats itself, but can handle more if you install 'apps' (found on the Chrome webstore but might be available to other browsers if Docs is 'installing' them to the Google account itself). Since .ai is a proprietary format, it may be hard to find an app that includes it, but perhaps you could export your files in another format, like SVG with extended metadata. Even Google Docs' default "Drawing" utility should open that. Or perhaps someone will suggest another collaborative service that works for you!
-Arlo James Barnes

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Barry MacKichan

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

DropBox syncs files between as many computers as you like, using the cloud. DropBox folders can be shared with as many people as you invite. It does not provide its own editing capabilities.

If you want to share an Illustrator file with someone, drag it into the shared DropBox subfolder. It will automatically appear in the corresponding subfolder on the other person's computer. She can then edit it with Illustrator.

Another option is Evernote. The free version is restricted in the files it will allow as attachments to notes, but I understand that the paid version allows any file as an attachment to a note. The sharing is similar to that of DropBox; it is by invitation.

--Barry

On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Hi all
> In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
> I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
> I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
> What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
> -Gillian Densmore
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Edward Angel

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

Google Drive lets you share and allows you to choose if you want to allow the sharee to edit the file.

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On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

DropBox syncs files between as many computers as you like, using the cloud. DropBox folders can be shared with as many people as you invite. It does not provide its own editing capabilities.

If you want to share an Illustrator file with someone, drag it into the shared DropBox subfolder. It will automatically appear in the corresponding subfolder on the other person's computer. She can then edit it with Illustrator.

Another option is Evernote. The free version is restricted in the files it will allow as attachments to notes, but I understand that the paid version allows any file as an attachment to a note. The sharing is similar to that of DropBox; it is by invitation.

--Barry

On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

Hi all
In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
-Gillian Densmore
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Dean Gerber

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

In reply to this post by Barry MacKichan

We have used Dropbox somewhat successfully at SFAFS to coordinate assignments and other data in our Science Fair Judging project. It is vital to understand that shared folders can be fully edited (including deleting!) by one and all in the sharing group, so that without good discipline and understanding things can run amok. For example, if one group member deletes a file from a shared folder, that file is deleted from every folder in the group. It is gone. This works independently of OS file permissions. Dropbox is not really suitable for collaborative development because of this. *~X( at wits' end

--Dean

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Robert J. Cordingley

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

I've not tested it but Dropbox has these instructions on how to recover old versions and deleted files:
https://www.dropbox.com/help/11/en

Thanks
Robert

On 2/20/13 1:20 PM, Dean Gerber wrote:

We have used Dropbox somewhat successfully at SFAFS to coordinate assignments and other data in our Science Fair Judging project. It is vital to understand that shared folders can be fully edited (including deleting!) by one and all in the sharing group, so that without good discipline and understanding things can run amok. For example, if one group member deletes a file from a shared folder, that file is deleted from every folder in the group. It is gone. This works independently of OS file permissions. Dropbox is not really suitable for collaborative development because of this.

--Dean

From: Barry MacKichan [hidden email]
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted

DropBox syncs files between as many computers as you like, using the cloud. DropBox folders can be shared with as many people as you invite. It does not provide its own editing capabilities.

If you want to share an Illustrator file with someone, drag it into the shared DropBox subfolder. It will automatically appear in the corresponding subfolder on the other person's computer. She can then edit it with Illustrator.

Another option is Evernote. The free version is restricted in the files it will allow as attachments to notes, but I understand that the paid version allows any file as an attachment to a note. The sharing is similar to that of DropBox; it is by invitation.

--Barry

On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Hi all
> In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
> I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
> I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
> What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
> -Gillian Densmore
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Tom Johnson

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

In reply to this post by Dean Gerber

I've run into the same problem as Dean (and used the recovery method Robert talks about, which, I assume, puts the files back in everyone's folder(s).)

So does anyone know of a service whereby I can delete the file from my HD's folder, but not interfere with others? Is FTP the only answer to date?
-tom

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dean Gerber <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have used Dropbox somewhat successfully at SFAFS to coordinate assignments and other data in our Science Fair Judging project. It is vital to understand that shared folders can be fully edited (including deleting!) by one and all in the sharing group, so that without good discipline and understanding things can run amok. For example, if one group member deletes a file from a shared folder, that file is deleted from every folder in the group. It is gone. This works independently of OS file permissions. Dropbox is not really suitable for collaborative development because of this.

--Dean

From: Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted

DropBox syncs files between as many computers as you like, using the cloud. DropBox folders can be shared with as many people as you invite. It does not provide its own editing capabilities.

If you want to share an Illustrator file with someone, drag it into the shared DropBox subfolder. It will automatically appear in the corresponding subfolder on the other person's computer. She can then edit it with Illustrator.

Another option is Evernote. The free version is restricted in the files it will allow as attachments to notes, but I understand that the paid version allows any file as an attachment to a note. The sharing is similar to that of DropBox; it is by invitation.

--Barry

On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Hi all
> In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
> I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
> I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
> What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
> -Gillian Densmore
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Gillian Densmore

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called cloudswave (cloudswave)-who pointed me to there service called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it looks like the use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets interesting though is they offer either a terabyte of storage for just under 20 a month. Compared to googles 45 for the same amount of space I have no idea how they can afford that.
They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop app for colaberation-
One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today and the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link pointing to google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd get the same instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from google competitors.
(even if they are cheeper)

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've run into the same problem as Dean (and used the recovery method Robert talks about, which, I assume, puts the files back in everyone's folder(s).)

So does anyone know of a service whereby I can delete the file from my HD's folder, but not interfere with others? Is FTP the only answer to date?
-tom

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dean Gerber <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have used Dropbox somewhat successfully at SFAFS to coordinate assignments and other data in our Science Fair Judging project. It is vital to understand that shared folders can be fully edited (including deleting!) by one and all in the sharing group, so that without good discipline and understanding things can run amok. For example, if one group member deletes a file from a shared folder, that file is deleted from every folder in the group. It is gone. This works independently of OS file permissions. Dropbox is not really suitable for collaborative development because of this.

--Dean

From: Barry MacKichan <[hidden email]>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cloud backup recomendations wanted

DropBox syncs files between as many computers as you like, using the cloud. DropBox folders can be shared with as many people as you invite. It does not provide its own editing capabilities.

If you want to share an Illustrator file with someone, drag it into the shared DropBox subfolder. It will automatically appear in the corresponding subfolder on the other person's computer. She can then edit it with Illustrator.

Another option is Evernote. The free version is restricted in the files it will allow as attachments to notes, but I understand that the paid version allows any file as an attachment to a note. The sharing is similar to that of DropBox; it is by invitation.

--Barry

On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Hi all
> In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
> I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
> I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
> What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
> -Gillian Densmore
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glen ep ropella

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

If you haven't already considered it, SparkleShare might be interesting
to you: http://sparkleshare.org/

Gillian Densmore wrote at 02/20/2013 03:54 PM:

> While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called
> cloudswave (cloudswave <http://www.cloudswave.com>)-who pointed me to
> there service called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it
> looks like the use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets
> interesting though is they offer either a terabyte of storage for just
> under 20 a month. Compared to googles 45 for the same amount of space I
> have no idea how they can afford that.
> They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop
> app for colaberation-
> One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today
> and the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link
> pointing to google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd
> get the same instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from
> google competitors.
> (even if they are cheeper)

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Siddharth-3

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

Or even Skydrive? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyDrive

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:40 AM, glen e. p. ropella <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you haven't already considered it, SparkleShare might be interesting
to you: http://sparkleshare.org/

Gillian Densmore wrote at 02/20/2013 03:54 PM:

> While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called

> cloudswave (cloudswave <http://www.cloudswave.com>)-who pointed me to

> there service called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it
> looks like the use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets
> interesting though is they offer either a terabyte of storage for just
> under 20 a month. Compared to googles 45 for the same amount of space I
> have no idea how they can afford that.
> They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop
> app for colaberation-
> One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today
> and the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link
> pointing to google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd
> get the same instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from
> google competitors.
> (even if they are cheeper)

--
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Gillian Densmore

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

kicking the tires of skydrive like what I see so far. it could be useful as part of my work flow-
I don't know what kind of limitations are on a free account. I'd need to dig around to see if they have web and or cloud development and collaboration tools- by that I meen I don't know if they have ways to test PHP and or javascript code (for example) before it's live.
Thanks for the link.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:31 AM, siddharth <[hidden email]> wrote:

Or even Skydrive? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyDrive

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:40 AM, glen e. p. ropella <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you haven't already considered it, SparkleShare might be interesting
to you: http://sparkleshare.org/

Gillian Densmore wrote at 02/20/2013 03:54 PM:

> While investigating cloud back up I ran across a outfit called

> cloudswave (cloudswave <http://www.cloudswave.com>)-who pointed me to

> there service called box+ I've only done a bit of poking and proding it
> looks like the use quite a bit of the google ecology where it gets
> interesting though is they offer either a terabyte of storage for just
> under 20 a month. Compared to googles 45 for the same amount of space I
> have no idea how they can afford that.
> They also claim they have some sort of app that can work with a desktop
> app for colaberation-
> One pro for google is brand name recognition I was in a meeting today
> and the lady I asked the lady I was talking to if she'd accept a link
> pointing to google drive she delitedly said oh sure. I'm not sure i'd
> get the same instant: aha that's a known work safe place reaction from
> google competitors.
> (even if they are cheeper)

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

I don't think you ever described your workflow. If you do, we could probably be more helpful.

;; Gary

On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> kicking the tires of skydrive like what I see so far. it could be useful as part of my work flow-
> I don't know what kind of limitations are on a free account. I'd need to dig around to see if they have web and or cloud development and collaboration tools- by that I meen I don't know if they have ways to test PHP and or javascript code (for example) before it's live.
> Thanks for the link.

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Douglas Roberts-2

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In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

My backup is a second and third set of spinning disks. Cron job runs each night and does rsync incremental backups. With 3 TB external USB3.0 disks costing ~$85 it's cheap to stay backed up.

roberts@Igor:~$ df -h

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

/dev/sdb1 551G 6.8G 516G 2% /

udev 2.9G 12K 2.9G 1% /dev

tmpfs 1.2G 1.2M 1.2G 1% /run

none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock

none 2.9G 9.4M 2.9G 1% /run/shm

none 100M 20K 100M 1% /run/user

/dev/sda1 2.7T 779G 1.8T 30% /home

/dev/sdc1 2.7T 1.5T 1.2T 56% /mnt/3TB

/dev/sde1 1.4T 1.3T 13G 100% /mnt/Movies

/dev/sdf1 917G 2.5G 868G 1% /mnt/Movies2

/dev/sdd1 592G 387G 176G 69% /mnt/Video

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all
In light of some issues I have been running into with google drive I wondered what else is out there for cloud back ups that also permits Collaboration by this I meen that I want to be able to send someone a URL where documents in popular formats are where they can read them and also be able to edit them.
I have seen some chatter about this on the list recently but I don't know what places are good vs junk.
I do have dropbox wich is awsome for somestuff I don't know if it has baked in ways to allow editing of documents I tested it with a illustrator file- it thought it was a picture but didn't understand the format.
What are peoples experiences in this area? what places are good?
-Gillian Densmore

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Gillian Densmore

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

My workflow after getting a project-
Like update pictures for my blog is to resize the image and adjust colors in photoshop then save it in a web friendly format and size- at the moment i'll have picasso running as a crude way to back up the original picture-

For text editing I'd be inclined to use openoffice-

for a just a plain HTML document notepad has served me well-

I don't know a good consistant way to share stuff with other students, and are looking for a good best practice for how to share documents for when I get into the scary thing called the reel world with coleagues and friends

Plus I stared long and hard at my computer and it acured to me that I don't have good consistant way to keep a back up of files-google drive isn't a bad start.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't think you ever described your workflow. If you do, we could probably be more helpful.

;; Gary

On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> kicking the tires of skydrive like what I see so far. it could be useful as part of my work flow-
> I don't know what kind of limitations are on a free account. I'd need to dig around to see if they have web and or cloud development and collaboration tools- by that I meen I don't know if they have ways to test PHP and or javascript code (for example) before it's live.
> Thanks for the link.

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Marcus G. Daniels

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Doug wrote:

"My backup is a second and third set of spinning disks. Cron job runs each
night and does rsync incremental backups. With 3 TB external USB3.0 disks
costing ~$85 it's cheap to stay backed up."

Do you courier them to the Trementina CST facility?

Marcus

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Douglas Roberts-2

Re: cloud backup recomendations wanted

More like to the dementia facility in Nambe.

--Doug

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Doug wrote:

"My backup is a second and third set of spinning disks. Cron job runs each
night and does rsync incremental backups. With 3 TB external USB3.0 disks
costing ~$85 it's cheap to stay backed up."

Do you courier them to the Trementina CST facility?

Marcus

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