YouTube - Extreme Sheep LED Art
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Imagine the creator/artist trying to initially explain to the sheep ranchers what he was up to and what he wanted them to do. But I love the emergence of it all, given that the only major rule for the "sheep agents" is "Move away from the dog. Quickly."
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It would have been interesting to see more of the
high-speed movement of the large groups of sheep. From the very short segment in
which the mass movement was shown, it looked to me there were signs of group
rotation - although again we would need much more footage to confirm this.
The rule of movement would be "move to the outside of the flock where there is
more room to move faster/avoid collision where there is room to do so".
This results in lines of sheep movement up the peripheries of the flock
that are faster than movement on the inside, and so an effective backward drift
in the centre and an emergent rotational pattern. There may be "eddies" or
other smaller scale rotations within the flock occurring as well.
This is what happens frequently in bicycle pelotons
at a certain threshold of speed/power output (constituting a phase change) -
riders advance up the periphery while a backward drift down the centre
occurs. In pelotons there is what I call a "forward imperative", a
deliberate and conscious attempt by riders to get or stay near the front of
the peloton as there is strategic value in being positioned near to
the front of the peloton.
However, there are also, I believe, physical
(self-organized, non-deliberate) reasons why peloton rotations occur, which are
a combination of fatiguing riders decelerating slightly down the middle
and the greater space on the periphery for fresher riders to
pass.
If a similar phenomenon can be seen in flock/school
motion, then it strengthens the argument that the peloton rotation
phenomenon is not simply a pattern that results
from riders' deliberate and conscious tactical movements, but is also
a function of purely self-organized processes. A similar form of rotational
patterns occur in penguin huddles, but it would be interesting to confirm the
pattern in other biological aggregates.
Hugh Trenchard
Victoria BC
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pretty cool idea even if 90% of it is fake animation. It should work
as a viral ad, though, like the faked one-wing killathrill plane landing video from last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxe8Nm2w8I -s On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > Imagine the creator/artist trying to initially explain to the sheep > ranchers what he was up to and what he wanted them to do. But I > love the emergence of it all, given that the only major rule for the > "sheep agents" is "Move away from the dog. Quickly." > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw > > -tj > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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A neophyte question:
What indicates so clearly the fake animation? Some of it seems fabricated or heavily edited, that's clear. But what are you all seeing? Very curious about how things are made, and what reveals that. Thanks- Tory It was still a hoot and a half, however it was made. On Mar 21, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > pretty cool idea even if 90% of it is fake animation. It should work > as a viral ad, though, like the faked one-wing killathrill plane > landing video from last year: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxe8Nm2w8I > > -s > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > >> Imagine the creator/artist trying to initially explain to the sheep >> ranchers what he was up to and what he wanted them to do. But I >> love the emergence of it all, given that the only major rule for >> the "sheep agents" is "Move away from the dog. Quickly." >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw >> >> -tj >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I agree - while I suppose I could have been "had", it looks to me like it
was genuinely darn good sheepherding using mounted lights on the back of sheep and simply accelerated footage (assuming that's the part that looked the least authentic). At the least I agree it's not obvious that it is "90%" animation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria Hughes" <[hidden email]> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] YouTube - Extreme Sheep LED Art >A neophyte question: > What indicates so clearly the fake animation? Some of it seems fabricated > or heavily edited, that's clear. But what are you all seeing? Very > curious about how things are made, and what reveals that. > Thanks- > Tory > It was still a hoot and a half, however it was made. > > On Mar 21, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > >> pretty cool idea even if 90% of it is fake animation. It should work as >> a viral ad, though, like the faked one-wing killathrill plane landing >> video from last year: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxe8Nm2w8I >> >> -s >> >> On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: >> >>> Imagine the creator/artist trying to initially explain to the sheep >>> ranchers what he was up to and what he wanted them to do. But I love >>> the emergence of it all, given that the only major rule for the "sheep >>> agents" is "Move away from the dog. Quickly." >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw >>> >>> -tj >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Yeah, some "fake animation." But I've seen sheep dogs do jaw-dropping things with a herd when the only command is the shepherd's long-distance whistling. Ergo, I think it may well be less than 90% animation.
-t On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stephen Guerin <[hidden email]> wrote: pretty cool idea even if 90% of it is fake animation. It should work as a viral ad, though, like the faked one-wing killathrill plane landing video from last year: -- ========================================== J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA www.analyticjournalism.com 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) http://www.jtjohnson.com [hidden email] "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- Buckminster Fuller ========================================== ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I used to ride, amazingly in Palo Alto CA, the middle of silicon valley.
I actually got into roping as a present to myself (and my horse too!) and got interested in how dogs, horses and riders coordinated to do tasks. I went to a workshop, lead by an ancient "horse whispers" sorta guy .. tough as nails and sweet as honey. As part of it, we got to see two border collies and a hellofa good rider work a herd. Mind blowing. Make you cry. -- Owen On Mar 21, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > Yeah, some "fake animation." But I've seen sheep dogs do jaw- > dropping things with a herd when the only command is the shepherd's > long-distance whistling. Ergo, I think it may well be less than 90% > animation. > > -t > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stephen Guerin <[hidden email] > > wrote: > pretty cool idea even if 90% of it is fake animation. It should work > as a viral ad, though, like the faked one-wing killathrill plane > landing video from last year: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxe8Nm2w8I > > -s > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > > Imagine the creator/artist trying to initially explain to the sheep > ranchers what he was up to and what he wanted them to do. But I > love the emergence of it all, given that the only major rule for the > "sheep agents" is "Move away from the dog. Quickly." > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw > > -tj > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > -- > ========================================== > J. T. Johnson > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > www.analyticjournalism.com > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) > http://www.jtjohnson.com [hidden email] > > "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. > To change something, build a new model that makes the > existing model obsolete." > -- Buckminster Fuller > ========================================== > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Nonetheless, animation or not, it would *still* be
interesting to see more accelerated footage of sheep flocks in motion to
look for the phenomenon I suggest will be seen and which I have observed
elsewhere.
HT
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Particularly as the sheep herders are led by Gerry Lewis, who you'll remember from the Welsh ISDS events a couple of years back.
Robert
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote: Yeah, some "fake animation." But I've seen sheep dogs do jaw-dropping things with a herd when the only command is the shepherd's long-distance whistling. Ergo, I think it may well be less than 90% animation. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Okay, okay, 73%. :-)
-S On Mar 21, 2009, at 10:36 PM, Robert Holmes wrote: > Particularly as the sheep herders are led by Gerry Lewis, who you'll > remember from the Welsh ISDS events a couple of years back. > > Robert > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> > wrote: > Yeah, some "fake animation." But I've seen sheep dogs do jaw- > dropping things with a herd when the only command is the shepherd's > long-distance whistling. Ergo, I think it may well be less than 90% > animation. > > -t > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stephen Guerin <[hidden email] > > wrote: > pretty cool idea even if 90% of it is fake animation. It should work > as a viral ad, though, like the faked one-wing killathrill plane > landing video from last year: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVxe8Nm2w8I > > -s > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > > Imagine the creator/artist trying to initially explain to the sheep > ranchers what he was up to and what he wanted them to do. But I > love the emergence of it all, given that the only major rule for the > "sheep agents" is "Move away from the dog. Quickly." > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw > > -tj > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > -- > ========================================== > J. T. Johnson > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > www.analyticjournalism.com > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) > http://www.jtjohnson.com [hidden email] > > "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. > To change something, build a new model that makes the > existing model obsolete." > -- Buckminster Fuller > ========================================== > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Victoria Hughes
<[hidden email]> wrote: > A neophyte question: > What indicates so clearly the fake animation? Some of it seems fabricated The one scene that I most suspect is fake is the giant walking sheep animation. Pay close attention to the legs... "chunks" of sheep retain the exact same shape, and appear to pass, unaltered through each other as the legs "cross". I know sheepdogs are amazing---but retaining the integrity of mini-clusters of sheep (and the positions of individual sheep) all relative to each other seems a bit beyond reality) Also, its a viral video for LED's... not a documentary about sheep-herding, so there's no requirement for absolute honesty in presentation. Also... the Mona Lisa is probably fake. Why I think so: In the close-up shots of shepherds arranging (and lifting) the sheep, we see mostly white sheep... some have assorted random colors of LED, too. What we don't see are any strongly single-colored sheep. Now, it may be that the LED rigs were build so that the overall color of the rig was selectable... but that would be a cheat, don't you think? ~~James ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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BTW, Doug, this is a perfect screen saver for my android phone!
Ewe get it? http://tinyurl.com/y86l4c -Steve ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Thanks for clarifying.
We neophytes, we know what we see, but we need to be educated to know what it means. Got the big sheep issue. I wiki'd 'viral video ad'; once that's in the mix the rest is obvious. Certainly was entertaining though. You know - art, entertainment, function, advertising - the line gets so blurry, dontcha think? Tory On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:14 PM, James Steiner wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Victoria Hughes > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> A neophyte question: >> What indicates so clearly the fake animation? Some of it seems >> fabricated > > The one scene that I most suspect is fake is the giant walking sheep > animation. > > Pay close attention to the legs... "chunks" of sheep retain the exact > same shape, and appear to pass, unaltered through each other as the > legs "cross". I know sheepdogs are amazing---but retaining the > integrity of mini-clusters of sheep (and the positions of individual > sheep) all relative to each other seems a bit beyond reality) > > Also, its a viral video for LED's... not a documentary about > sheep-herding, so there's no requirement for absolute honesty in > presentation. > > Also... the Mona Lisa is probably fake. > > Why I think so: > > In the close-up shots of shepherds arranging (and lifting) the sheep, > we see mostly white sheep... some have assorted random colors of LED, > too. What we don't see are any strongly single-colored sheep. > > Now, it may be that the LED rigs were build so that the overall color > of the rig was selectable... but that would be a cheat, don't you > think? > > ~~James > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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