Working Hard?
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Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI
annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net |
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Working hard or working stupid?
A nation whose workers work more hours each day and take less vacation in a year does not necessarily result in more work output and higher quality products. In fact, if one takes into account the energy and material resources spent (lighting, air-conditioning, fuel that feeds the power plant that provide the electricity), in addition to the labor resources utilized, the nation's productivity may be much lower than a nation that provides workers 5 weeks of vacation a year. This reminds me of a brief discussion Stephen Guerin and I had recently - how would you model the work potential and measure the effectives of individual workers and an organization as a whole, especially in non-manufacturing jobs such as IT? For example, some people think about a problem for a long time before they actually pick up a pen, or touch a key; others jump into it right away. Some people take 2 hours to write a status report while another person take a day but more time may not mean better quality. I don't think the traditional economic approach of measuring worker productivity is appropriate for information-oriented projects. Belinda -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Hi Owen, You may remember our conversation about work 2.0? here are a couple
of url's, and I do not know what inroads Jensen has made recently but he looks at the workforce issues from the workforce side. www.work2.com http://www.fastcompany.com/fasttalk/forum.html?f=316 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Some context for the discussion.
Gus Koehler Principal Time Structures -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Belinda Wong-Swanson Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:00 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Working hard or working stupid? A nation whose workers work more hours each day and take less vacation in a year does not necessarily result in more work output and higher quality products. In fact, if one takes into account the energy and material resources spent (lighting, air-conditioning, fuel that feeds the power plant that provide the electricity), in addition to the labor resources utilized, the nation's productivity may be much lower than a nation that provides workers 5 weeks of vacation a year. G:Its global not local. Productivity networks and the cost of energy, knowledge and labor become local both in location and in market served. But Multinationals are not local much like rail roads in the past, and are not patriotic. GM food is an excellent example. Wars on oil and the concentrated ownership of traditional sources of energy by a few companies. This reminds me of a brief discussion Stephen Guerin and I had recently - how would you model the work potential and measure the effectives of individual workers and an organization as a whole, especially in non-manufacturing jobs such as IT? For example, some people think about a problem for a long time before they actually pick up a pen, or touch a key; others jump into it right away. Some people take 2 hours to write a status report while another person take a day but more time may not mean better quality. I don't think the traditional economic approach of measuring worker productivity is appropriate for information-oriented projects. G: first manufacturing is not dirty hands; it manipulation of power and information to shape materials of some kind. Close to what IT jobs are now. Many may not be as creative as you suggest; others most certainly are. Your point is well taken about measuring the productivity of an information project. Thus the Bubble and its bursting. Belinda -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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The only "ethic" involved is the gringo capitalist persistent attempts to exploit the
worker at ALL levels, and the sheepish inclination of the people here to accept it. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Yeah, if they're going to fine a telemarketer $11,000 for calling
us, we should get a cut. But noooo, it all goes to the bosses. Oops, wrong thread... -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Dr. Richard Cassin - Rio Grande Venture Partners Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:29 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Working Hard? The only "ethic" involved is the gringo capitalist persistent attempts to exploit the worker at ALL levels, and the sheepish inclination of the people here to accept it. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Not necessarily a recent US phenomenon, anyhow...
"Be no longer a Chaos but a World or even Worldkin. Produce! Produce! Were it but the pitifullest infinitesimal fraction of a Product, produce it, in God's name! 'Tis the utmost thou hast in thee: out with it, then. Up, up! Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy whole might. Work while it is called To-day: for the Night cometh, wherein no man can work." Thomas Carlyle in 'Sartor Resartus', 1833-34 The programmer might say "for the Morning cometh" instead... -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:34 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Working Hard? Robert Holmes and I were discussing a comment made in the recent SFEDI annual meeting about the difficulty of finding a "good work force" by one of the speakers. Robert astutely mentioned the US inclination to a punishing work ethic/habit. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/ 2011204&mode=flat&tid=98&tid=99 Owen Densmore 451 Camino Don Miguel Santa Fe, NM 87505 Work: 505-983-6305 Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 [hidden email] http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ========================================================= FRIAM Complexity Coffee listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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