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Above my house, an unkindness of ravens flew.
And distinguished from the many was one whose feathers shone white, almost translucent against the sky in the bright sunlight. Is this a common genetic variant? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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What you wrote was so close to a poem, I took it as such, at first, until I
read the question at the end. The short answer is "I don't know!" Now for the educated guesses: 1. Albinism is a simple matter, genetically; possibly a one gene knockout. So, yes to your question. 2. Sun glints off bird's feathers. Perhaps your bird caught the sun right? So, no to your question. 3. There are ravens that live south of here, in the Bosque, and up into the Sangres, called the white-necked or Chuhuahuan Raven. The juveniles have a white patch above their shoulders. So, perhaps, maybe to your question. Nick Nick Thompson [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:24 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos... Above my house, an unkindness of ravens flew. And distinguished from the many was one whose feathers shone white, almost translucent against the sky in the bright sunlight. Is this a common genetic variant? -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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What seemed strange to me was that the bird was only partially albino. Only
the remiges were white, and the distinction persisted as the unkindness flew away. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Jon -
I still hold it (deliberately) as a poem, and appreciate it as such. Knowing only a little about Ravens and other Corvids from reading popular science books about them and observing them in the wild and in the context of movies, television and documentaries, I like the thought of an Albino in your Unkindness, Conspiracy or Constabulary (only applied at the Tower of London?) or even better an un(der)codumented Chihuahuan hanging out with our more (common to us) Raven. It may be entirely my perception, but I've been unable discern any significant difference in morphology, plumage, behaviour among the Raven's I've encountered in my own travels including Sweden. A little Wikipedianing tells me that Corvus Corax is widely distributed in the Northern Hemisphere and among subspecies their appearance apparently does not change much. I've lived within the range of Chihuahuan Ravens but never recognized any as such... though I have struggled to distinguish Ravens from Common Crows at times where perhaps the Chihuahuan was the more commonly seen Raven, as I do have a faint memory of Raven-shaped/sized "crows" that were distinct in appearance and behaviour from crows... I never noticed any white, though wikipedia suggests it is subtle and may require some wind-ruffling to expose? I am more aware of the wide range of appearance and behaviour among magpies (near cousin to ravens?) across my travels. I have a pair whose territory includes my house and 4 years ago got to watch them nest, hatch and fledge 3 young from a large singular cottonwood behind my house. They have not nested there since and the youngsters wandered off within the year... but it was fun while they were all resident (and in self-discovery). When I moved here I had a huuuge magpie next in a huuuge russian olive... the house had been vacant for the entire spring before I bought mid-summer which may have allowed/encouraged that nesting. I saw the nest but the parents were very furtive until I began to hear the babies and see the regular trips for feeding them. They "flew the nest" early I suspect because of us... all of them (I forget how many babies, but more than 2) were gone within a month or so. It was just a few years later that West Nile swept up the Rio Grande wiping out (virtually?) all Magpies... this year was the first time I've seen *any* in my section of the bosque, though I hear they have been slowly returning (migrating down from the north along the Bosque from CO?). - Steve On 2/4/21 1:39 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > What you wrote was so close to a poem, I took it as such, at first, until I > read the question at the end. > > The short answer is "I don't know!" > > Now for the educated guesses: > > 1. Albinism is a simple matter, genetically; possibly a one gene > knockout. So, yes to your question. > 2. Sun glints off bird's feathers. Perhaps your bird caught the > sun right? So, no to your question. > 3. There are ravens that live south of here, in the Bosque, and up > into the Sangres, called the white-necked or Chuhuahuan Raven. The > juveniles have a white patch above their shoulders. So, perhaps, maybe to > your question. > > Nick > > Nick Thompson > [hidden email] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of jon zingale > Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:24 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos... > > Above my house, an unkindness of ravens flew. > And distinguished from the many was one > whose feathers shone white, almost translucent against the sky in the bright > sunlight. > Is this a common genetic variant? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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I was curious about the magpies. While I occasionally see them on Upper
Canyon or in the Sangre de Cristos, I have never seen them further south than Patrick Smith park. I was curious why there would be such a sensible boundary/frontier, usually keeping my junior evolutionary theorist speculations to myself. It makes sense that the West Nile virus could have knocked out much of what was here and that now I am witnessing the southerly procession of a population growing back. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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I've only seen one magpie on our property in more than 20 years. I have seen some at DTS. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 2:33 PM jon zingale <[hidden email]> wrote: I was curious about the magpies. While I occasionally see them on Upper - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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No, it’s a haiku. On 4 Feb 2021, at 15:23, jon zingale wrote:
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Well, technically a haiku is 17 syllables, arranged 5-7-5, no?? I’m thinking more of Robert Frost In any case I want to change the last line. Above my house, an unkindness of ravens flew. Isn’t it about time for the Annual Poetry Contest? N From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan No, it’s a haiku. On 4 Feb 2021, at 15:23, jon zingale wrote:
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Actually, Jon, I liked your original final line best.
I take your point about Frost, but perhaps there is more about the compositional spirit of Haiku that survives, beyond line and meter counts. The first line will often establish place and condition, frequently with one or another seasonal reference that has stylized associations. In the middle is some particular action or observation. But in the spirit of the Zen aesthetic, the final line is meant to deliver a suddenness of recognition of the essence of some experience. (I take for granted that you already know all this, and probably better than I do. And of course none of these is a “rule”; variants of inclusion, exclusion, and order of elements are all explored.) In something that is either my delight in the absurd, or sincere — I can’t tell, which probably means it is both — to end a poem with a question about genetic variants seems somehow perfect. Eric > On Feb 4, 2021, at 3:23 PM, jon zingale <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Above my house, an unkindness of ravens flew. > And distinguished from the many was one > whose feathers shone white, almost translucent > against the sky in the bright sunlight. > Is this a common genetic variant? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,wFPGqsnqZC0uDQeQMEaxGIOG5i7ZhSZrUqfxgN3JvFh_L9DYCjRZOpLK45RPRrBFPrlPwJjcZesODXd1xP-jcB4oLbquJhVKmMWUmrRA9Q,,&typo=1 > FRIAM-COMIC https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,9dgtW1teHjXisHPp9TNM3arQlUEWu7r1SCzD2P8JHfxJcFf3fIhLPVb051sZ14XGgMe04xiOoUOa8jd7ixN-eFUvbSfKJsEkRI8mNUHNBBY,&typo=1 > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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