What makes you who you are?
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I am not sure that I exist, actually. I am all the writers that I have read, all the people that I have met, all the women that I have loved; all the cities I have visited. ~ Jorge Luis Borges I stumbled upon this Borges quote today in a social media post from Jessica Flack and started to wonder if one could say that each of us is a small creative masterpiece since building up a personality is a creative process. Our personality is created from all the people we have met, all the lessons we have been taught, all the words and ideas we have heard from others. From all these impressions we have selected bits and pieces of behavior that work for us. Just as our subjective experience is formed by the slice of the world we have experienced, our individual personality is formed by the particular actions we repeatedly do. Therefore the unique path which we choose to walk in this world is forming our personality just as much as the unique slice of the world which we perceive is molding our subjective experience. Would you agree? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/202004/what-makes-you-who-you-are -J. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Jochen, The idea that there is a “you” is an outsider’s view which you adopt as an “I”. You know that your “I” is a confusion, a collage. I have given up on “the will” altogether except as an expression of what my “you” is about to do. Am I going to bend down and pick up my socks. Let’s see, am I leaning that way. Does my hand go out to brace me on the sink. Why Gosh! I guess I am. From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm I am not sure that I exist, actually. I am all the writers that I have read, all the people that I have met, all the women that I have loved; all the cities I have visited. -J. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Nick, I experience the world very differently from you. I have been aware of self observation as a source of inference about oneself ever since I was s student of Bem in the late sixties. I still experience hunger which leads me to eat. I do not infer that I'm hungry by observing that I am preparing to eat. As you and I have discussed many times. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 10:46 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Just to be clear: You don’t experience hunger as being on the way to eating.” Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Nick, I experience the world very differently from you. I have been aware of self observation as a source of inference about oneself ever since I was s student of Bem in the late sixties. I still experience hunger which leads me to eat. I do not infer that I'm hungry by observing that I am preparing to eat. As you and I have discussed many times. Frank --- On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 10:46 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I was thinking about personalities and how they emerge. It is clear that we all have habits. Russell Poldrack says in his book, "Hard to Break" that the brain is a habit-building machine. If this habit-building is path dependent just like subjective experience, then habits over time make us who we are, right? Just as Aristotle used to say: we are what we repeatedly do. https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691194325/hard-to-break -J. -------- Original message -------- From: [hidden email] Date: 4/28/21 18:46 (GMT+01:00) To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What makes you who you are? Jochen,
The idea that there is a “you” is an outsider’s view which you adopt as an “I”. You know that your “I” is a confusion, a collage. I have given up on “the will” altogether except as an expression of what my “you” is about to do. Am I going to bend down and pick up my socks. Let’s see, am I leaning that way. Does my hand go out to brace me on the sink. Why Gosh! I guess I am.
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
I am not sure that I exist, actually. I am all the writers that I have read, all the people that I have met, all the women that I have loved; all the cities I have visited. -J.
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I dunno... there are plenty of times I feel hunger and am neither
preparing to eat, nor do I prepare to eat because I'm hungry. Other times, I might find myself eating out of social obligation, idle boredom, habit. I'm not claiming that hunger and eating are unrelated, but I find it a bit much to collapse one into the other. Do grazing animals (maybe baleen whales in the extreme?) eat because they are hungry? I've had dogs who appear to be hungry all the time, or at least anytime they are in the presence of food, or a human who might respond to their begging by getting them some food. On 4/28/21 11:28 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Yes, you do. Interoceptive hunger *is* observing yourself preparing to eat. The question is, at what *order* of organization (2nd? 10th? Nth? order) does "I" kick in? > > On 4/28/21 10:19 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> I do not infer that I'm hungry by observing that I am preparing to eat. As you and I have discussed many times. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Any time you read that a cell "signals" to a brain, or to a person, transfer your intellectual wallet to an inside pocket.
N Nick Thompson [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:41 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What makes you who you are? It all depends on what you mean by "preparing to eat": https://physicianschoice.com/blogs/blog/ghrelin-and-leptin On 4/28/21 11:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I dunno... there are plenty of times I feel hunger and am neither > preparing to eat, nor do I prepare to eat because I'm hungry. Other > times, I might find myself eating out of social obligation, idle > boredom, habit. I'm not claiming that hunger and eating are > unrelated, but I find it a bit much to collapse one into the other. > > Do grazing animals (maybe baleen whales in the extreme?) eat because > they are hungry? I've had dogs who appear to be hungry all the time, > or at least anytime they are in the presence of food, or a human who > might respond to their begging by getting them some food. > > On 4/28/21 11:28 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: >> Yes, you do. Interoceptive hunger *is* observing yourself preparing to eat. The question is, at what *order* of organization (2nd? 10th? Nth? order) does "I" kick in? >> >> On 4/28/21 10:19 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >>> I do not infer that I'm hungry by observing that I am preparing to eat. As you and I have discussed many times. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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I tend to agree. The singular exists and is different in kind from the
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