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Nick Thompson

To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.

https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:

- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?

- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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gepr

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

I don't think "climate denier" is appropriate for your referent population. People who accept anthropogenic global warming but don't think it's something to _worry_ about are not denying AGW. Perhaps you could call them effect/outcome deniers. What they're denying is any need to act, given AGW is real. Or perhaps they think any actions we take will have little effect anyway ... which would warrant the name AGW fatalists.

Similarly, those of us "lazy binders" who will worry about adapting after the big one hits are not denying that it will happen or that it will be devastating. But what's the sense in worrying if you and everyone you know is likely to die in the event anyway? Or, similarly, if you have enough faith in your own adaptability and resourcefulness (however misguided that is), then you'll take the events as they come and worry about it then. Or, perhaps you have faith in FEMA or local organizations to help us when it happens? Everyone's different.

But these people are very different from those who deny the inductive evidence entirely.

On 05/18/2017 08:41 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:
>
> Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

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Gillian Densmore

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

@Nick as to weather changes that's a weird one to me. As a concrete example NM started a tornado season. That raised several concerns for me. Several of my friends are around 4C physcally even if mentally they feel about 25 to 30. My parents have a basement (ish): Can they get to it? Is their house even built sturdy enough for a full Cat1 much less that Cat4? (and not the RJ-45 Copper) etc. Santa Fe has a hard time with basic radeo. LANAL's WW2 eta air sirens might be tested regularly. I have no idea of Santa Fe even has them still or if they work.

Sufficed to say their was what the weather service and pls translate called a 'Cat 0' cyclone litterally over my house at about 0100 .While aww inspiring to see that type electic storm: NOAA claims NM hasn't had to wory about Cyclones of any sort for about 1million years or so.

Yeah global weather weirdness is definatly a thing.

Part of it is willful. Part of it is they 'just aint from these here parts' lol and now for Yesterday News!

Ralf Fufino (Hulk/Batner) his foundation and one of his many geeky interests is science. He talks and tweets alot about just the pragmatics of the whole thing. Like asking who likes paying 2.5 to 3Euro per litter of desell or gas?

Wouldn't it be fun and just dead useful to have cars that you zip around on air and sun power?

As to the weird polotics. Many of you remember hos weird it probably was like having carter and nixon. I can only guess.

(laughing politely here) as carter put it on his blog: 'And they got mad at me for being inspired by StarTrek and at least trying to make America just plain nice and fun to live in?' (paraphrasing slightly as I don't have the exact quote in front of me)

I experienced how weirdly cool in a strange geeky way B.Clinton was. and vaguely recall him (trying to) do some hopefull and helpful things at the time. He had some pretty odd personalities to wrangle (Gangreen and his infamously long hour slow rants about...everything?)

BClinton had his share of weird polotics. Rigging the election with KGB's help wasn't one of his qurks that I recall anway. I seem to recall his legal and polical issues were more about being a stoner into women. . Now we have a have a troll giving Nixon and Geral Ford a serius run for trollness..

I'd say it's safe to say if untill you experience weird ruralness or have your nerves jolted a few times by earth quakes or meet some Uber Geeks. heads of nasa and Aims Research.. for some it probably seems like far off thing or something not to be concerned about. Those are the ones I have hope for. Like I said a few times nick Drumpf is a troll. He's getting into trouble for being a troll and keeps doing things that are just trolls. Sooner or later that catches up with them.

On a ligher note: "Their is a old Teran maxim. Only nixon can go to china" -Spock.StarTrek Undiscovered Countery.

sudo cat /usr/friam/poltics.txt >/usr/dev/null)

Hope that helps you nick ^_^

You may need to ask doug to translate the unix joke...if he's willing or reading.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Nick Thompson

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

Gill,

If you want to have a horrific anxiety about living In Santa Fe, it would be an urban fire that I would entertain, not a tornado. Tornadoes require three elements, moisture, lift, and shear. (Shear is the shifting of wind speeds and directions with altitude.) Both shear and lift are present in Santa Fe County, as evidence by the cracking good individual thunderstorms but it’s hard to get the high levels of water vapor in here necessary for anything but the weakest tornadoes. Only a hundred miles east is a different story.

While the high desert of central and western new mexico plays has few tornadoes, it plays an important role in the generation of tornadoes elsewhere in the country. Although we think of Santa Fe summers as being relatively cool, the air here in the summer, taking account of its altitude, is actually very warm. When the wind flow is from the west two things simultaneously happen. First, our warm desert air blows out over the plains as an elevated layer which forms cap over the atmosphere below it. Second, the “slumping” of the air current as it is forced out over the sangres, tends to form a low level low pressure area downstream in eastern New Mexico. In to this low pressure areas drawn very moist gulf air from the SE and very cold Canadian air from the NE. These together form a very complex laminated atmosphere which is conditionally unstable. In the mornings, before the sun gets working, it is stable because of the warm air aloft; in the afternoon the heating and the moistening of the lower levels by the action of the sun on the ground makes it more and more unstable until, violently, the whole atmosphere turns over and you get huge rotating groups of thunderstorms called Meso-convective complexes. In short, as long as you stay in Santa Fe county, you are very safe from …tornadoes.

Here are the data:

Santa Fe County Tornadoes

217 MAY 25, 1956 1 11:54 0 0 0 35.00 -106.30 35.18 -106.13 49

427 AUG 20, 1956 4 13:30 0 0 1 35.17 -106.20 00.00 0 49

486 MAY 30, 1957 8 13:20 0 0 0 35.20 -105.90 00.00 0 49

180 MAY 9, 1959 5 16:00 0 0 0 35.20 -106.00 00.00 0 49

181 MAY 9, 1959 6 16:00 0 0 0 35.20 -106.00 00.00 0 49

235 MAY 15, 1959 7 13:45 0 0 0 35.70 -106.00 00.00 0 49

572 SEP 30, 1960 6 17:30 0 0 0 35.20 -106.00 00.00 0 49

564 AUG 16, 1961 11 13:30 0 0 0 35.50 -105.90 00.00 0 49

213 MAY 26, 1966 2 15:18 0 0 0 35.00 -106.10 00.00 0 49

585 DEC 26, 1966 16 18:40 0 0 1 35.87 -106.00 00.00 0 49

144 APR 15, 1971 2 15:00 0 0 1 35.65 -105.98 00.00 0 49

385 JUN 15, 1972 10 16:28 0 0 0 35.38 -106.08 00.00 0 49

513 JUN 8, 1989 8 17:45 0 0 0 35.07 -106.20 00.00 0 49

514 JUN 8, 1989 9 18:12 0 0 1 35.08 -105.90 35.08 -105.78 49

969 AUG 15, 1990 13 18:14 0 0 0 35.40 -105.75 00.00 0 49

942 JUN 29, 1991 28 17:00 0 0 0 35.68 -105.95 00.00 0 49

716 JUN 9, 2007 19 15:45 0 0 0 35.47 -105.24 35.49 -105.21 49

717 JUN 9, 2007 20 16:10 0 0 0 35.46 -105.17 35.46 -105.17 49

1431 AUG 17, 2008 16:40 0 0 0 35.58 -105.84 35.58 -105.83 49

1626 OCT 11, 2008 18:33 0 0 0 35.15 -105.94 00.00 0 49

903 JLY 18, 2009 21:02 0 0 0 35.20 -106.18 35.19 -106.17 49

386045 JLY 24, 2012 15:57 0 0 0 35.62 -106.04 35.62 -106.04 49

410374 OCT 12, 2012 17:08 0 0 0 35.63 -105.67 35.67 -105.58 49

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

Yeah global weather weirdness is definatly a thing.

Part of it is willful. Part of it is they 'just aint from these here parts' lol and now for Yesterday News!

Wouldn't it be fun and just dead useful to have cars that you zip around on air and sun power?

As to the weird polotics. Many of you remember hos weird it probably was like having carter and nixon. I can only guess.

On a ligher note: "Their is a old Teran maxim. Only nixon can go to china" -Spock.StarTrek Undiscovered Countery.

sudo cat /usr/friam/poltics.txt >/usr/dev/null)

Hope that helps you nick ^_^

You may need to ask doug to translate the unix joke...if he's willing or reading.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Gillian Densmore

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@nick I don't pretend to know how the weather works. (other than hope it does. ) Noaa politely disagrees re: tornados.

https://www.google.com/#q=tornado+warnings+today+in+new+mexico

krqe.com/2017/05/09/photos-funnel-clouds-spotted-in-new-mexico/

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2017-05-09/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees

http://www.koat.com/article/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees/9627250

LOL not that I'm looking to argue ^_^ I differ to you're far greater experience re:weather.

I didn't even know their was such a thing as 'categor 0' type tornados is a thing. I'd heard of type 1 3 occasionally 5 either someone on weather watch made a typo, google voice didn't understand them, or it reely is a thing and at a guess meens something relatively small, shake a windows. make quite a bit of noise, hail etc

Cyclones in NM is definatly unsual and pretty rare acording to wikipedia. ABQ journal has (had?) pictures of some funnel clouds in the ABQ area as well.

I was just point out the weather is definatly changing some and that some people are trolling that it's not. While others just haven't experience a bit of screwy weather and are simply conflicted what they think and believe.

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gill,

If you want to have a horrific anxiety about living In Santa Fe, it would be an urban fire that I would entertain, not a tornado. Tornadoes require three elements, moisture, lift, and shear. (Shear is the shifting of wind speeds and directions with altitude.) Both shear and lift are present in Santa Fe County, as evidence by the cracking good individual thunderstorms but it’s hard to get the high levels of water vapor in here necessary for anything but the weakest tornadoes. Only a hundred miles east is a different story.

While the high desert of central and western new mexico plays has few tornadoes, it plays an important role in the generation of tornadoes elsewhere in the country. Although we think of Santa Fe summers as being relatively cool, the air here in the summer, taking account of its altitude, is actually very warm. When the wind flow is from the west two things simultaneously happen. First, our warm desert air blows out over the plains as an elevated layer which forms cap over the atmosphere below it. Second, the “slumping” of the air current as it is forced out over the sangres, tends to form a low level low pressure area downstream in eastern New Mexico. In to this low pressure areas drawn very moist gulf air from the SE and very cold Canadian air from the NE. These together form a very complex laminated atmosphere which is conditionally unstable. In the mornings, before the sun gets working, it is stable because of the warm air aloft; in the afternoon the heating and the moistening of the lower levels by the action of the sun on the ground makes it more and more unstable until, violently, the whole atmosphere turns over and you get huge rotating groups of thunderstorms called Meso-convective complexes. In short, as long as you stay in Santa Fe county, you are very safe from …tornadoes.

Here are the data:

Santa Fe County Tornadoes

   217 MAY 25, 1956    1 11:54   0    0   0 35.00 -106.30 35.18 -106.13 49
   427 AUG 20, 1956    4 13:30   0    0   1 35.17 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   486 MAY 30, 1957    8 13:20   0    0   0 35.20 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   180 MAY 9, 1959    5 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   181 MAY 9, 1959    6 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   235 MAY 15, 1959    7 13:45   0    0   0 35.70 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   572 SEP 30, 1960    6 17:30   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   564 AUG 16, 1961   11 13:30   0    0   0 35.50 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   213 MAY 26, 1966    2 15:18   0    0   0 35.00 -106.10 00.00       0 49
   585 DEC 26, 1966   16 18:40   0    0   1 35.87 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   144 APR 15, 1971    2 15:00   0   0   1 35.65 -105.98 00.00       0 49
   385 JUN 15, 1972   10 16:28   0    0   0 35.38 -106.08 00.00       0 49
   513 JUN 8, 1989    8 17:45   0    0   0 35.07 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   514 JUN 8, 1989    9 18:12   0    0   1 35.08 -105.90 35.08 -105.78 49
   969 AUG 15, 1990   13 18:14   0    0   0 35.40 -105.75 00.00       0 49
   942 JUN 29, 1991   28 17:00   0    0   0 35.68 -105.95 00.00       0 49
   716 JUN 9, 2007   19 15:45   0    0   0 35.47 -105.24 35.49 -105.21 49
   717 JUN 9, 2007   20 16:10   0    0   0 35.46 -105.17 35.46 -105.17 49
1431 AUG 17, 2008       16:40   0    0   0 35.58 -105.84 35.58 -105.83 49
1626 OCT 11, 2008       18:33   0    0   0 35.15 -105.94 00.00       0 49
   903 JLY 18, 2009       21:02   0    0   0 35.20 -106.18 35.19 -106.17 49
386045 JLY 24, 2012       15:57   0    0   0 35.62 -106.04 35.62 -106.04 49
410374 OCT 12, 2012       17:08   0    0   0 35.63 -105.67 35.67 -105.58 49

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@Nick as to weather changes that's a weird one to me. As a concrete example NM started a tornado season. That raised several concerns for me. Several of my friends are around 4C physcally even if mentally they feel about 25 to 30. My parents have a basement (ish): Can they get to it? Is their house even built sturdy enough for a full Cat1 much less that Cat4? (and not the RJ-45 Copper) etc. Santa Fe has a hard time with basic radeo. LANAL's WW2 eta air sirens might be tested regularly. I have no idea of Santa Fe even has them still or if they work.
Sufficed to say their was what the weather service and pls translate called a 'Cat 0' cyclone litterally over my house at about 0100 .While aww inspiring to see that type electic storm: NOAA claims NM hasn't had to wory about Cyclones of any sort for about 1million years or so.
Yeah global weather weirdness is definatly a thing.

Part of it is willful. Part of it is they 'just aint from these here parts' lol and now for Yesterday News!

Ralf Fufino (Hulk/Batner) his foundation and one of his many geeky interests is science. He talks and tweets alot about just the pragmatics of the whole thing. Like asking who likes paying 2.5 to 3Euro per litter of desell or gas?
Wouldn't it be fun and just dead useful to have cars that you zip around on air and sun power?

As to the weird polotics. Many of you remember hos weird it probably was like having carter and nixon. I can only guess.
(laughing politely here) as carter put it on his blog: 'And they got mad at me for being inspired by StarTrek and at least trying to make America just plain nice and fun to live in?' (paraphrasing slightly as I don't have the exact quote in front of me)
I experienced how weirdly cool in a strange geeky way B.Clinton was. and vaguely recall him (trying to) do some hopefull and helpful things at the time. He had some pretty odd personalities to wrangle (Gangreen and his infamously long hour slow rants about...everything?)
BClinton had his share of weird polotics. Rigging the election with KGB's help wasn't one of his qurks that I recall anway. I seem to recall his legal and polical issues were more about being a stoner into women. . Now we have a have a troll giving Nixon and Geral Ford a serius run for trollness..

I'd say it's safe to say if untill you experience weird ruralness or have your nerves jolted a few times by earth quakes or meet some Uber Geeks. heads of nasa and Aims Research.. for some it probably seems like far off thing or something not to be concerned about. Those are the ones I have hope for. Like I said a few times nick Drumpf is a troll. He's getting into trouble for being a troll and keeps doing things that are just trolls. Sooner or later that catches up with them.
On a ligher note: "Their is a old Teran maxim. Only nixon can go to china" -Spock.StarTrek Undiscovered Countery.

sudo cat /usr/friam/poltics.txt >/usr/dev/null)

Hope that helps you nick ^_^

You may need to ask doug to translate the unix joke...if he's willing or reading.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
  https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Nick Thompson

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

Gill,

By the time I got to the NOAA dynamic link, it was warning only of frost. Look out for your tomato sets tonight folks, so I don’t know if ABQ-metro was actually warned for tornados today. Or even if there was a watch. Where I live in Massachusetts gets “watched” 2-3 times a year, and warned perhaps once a year. There have been two catastrophic tornadoes there in my lifetime, and many smaller events. Despite the fact that I have looking hard for 60 years, I have never seen a tornado. Frank has seen one, over La Bajada, I think.

Two points: I never claimed that no tornadoes could ever occur in Santa Fe County, only that the probability of a damaging one in your lifetime is so low as not worth the worry. Substantially LESS than the risk of a damaging earthquake in Seattle or a damaging fire in Santa Fe during the same period. Please look at the table at the bottom of my email message. Second, while the weather office and the TV station are in ABQ, today’s tornadoes were mostly EAST of the central mountain chain.

So I think NOAA-ABQ is on my side in this argument.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 7:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@nick I don't pretend to know how the weather works. (other than hope it does. ) Noaa politely disagrees re: tornados.

https://www.google.com/#q=tornado+warnings+today+in+new+mexico

krqe.com/2017/05/09/photos-funnel-clouds-spotted-in-new-mexico/

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2017-05-09/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees

http://www.koat.com/article/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees/9627250

LOL not that I'm looking to argue ^_^ I differ to you're far greater experience re:weather.

Cyclones in NM is definatly unsual and pretty rare acording to wikipedia. ABQ journal has (had?) pictures of some funnel clouds in the ABQ area as well.

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gill,

If you want to have a horrific anxiety about living In Santa Fe, it would be an urban fire that I would entertain, not a tornado. Tornadoes require three elements, moisture, lift, and shear. (Shear is the shifting of wind speeds and directions with altitude.) Both shear and lift are present in Santa Fe County, as evidence by the cracking good individual thunderstorms but it’s hard to get the high levels of water vapor in here necessary for anything but the weakest tornadoes. Only a hundred miles east is a different story.

While the high desert of central and western new mexico plays has few tornadoes, it plays an important role in the generation of tornadoes elsewhere in the country. Although we think of Santa Fe summers as being relatively cool, the air here in the summer, taking account of its altitude, is actually very warm. When the wind flow is from the west two things simultaneously happen. First, our warm desert air blows out over the plains as an elevated layer which forms cap over the atmosphere below it. Second, the “slumping” of the air current as it is forced out over the sangres, tends to form a low level low pressure area downstream in eastern New Mexico. In to this low pressure areas drawn very moist gulf air from the SE and very cold Canadian air from the NE. These together form a very complex laminated atmosphere which is conditionally unstable. In the mornings, before the sun gets working, it is stable because of the warm air aloft; in the afternoon the heating and the moistening of the lower levels by the action of the sun on the ground makes it more and more unstable until, violently, the whole atmosphere turns over and you get huge rotating groups of thunderstorms called Meso-convective complexes. In short, as long as you stay in Santa Fe county, you are very safe from …tornadoes.

Here are the data:

Santa Fe County Tornadoes
   217 MAY 25, 1956    1 11:54   0    0   0 35.00 -106.30 35.18 -106.13 49
   427 AUG 20, 1956    4 13:30   0    0   1 35.17 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   486 MAY 30, 1957    8 13:20   0    0   0 35.20 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   180 MAY 9, 1959    5 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   181 MAY 9, 1959    6 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   235 MAY 15, 1959    7 13:45   0    0   0 35.70 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   572 SEP 30, 1960    6 17:30   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   564 AUG 16, 1961   11 13:30   0    0   0 35.50 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   213 MAY 26, 1966    2 15:18   0    0   0 35.00 -106.10 00.00       0 49
   585 DEC 26, 1966   16 18:40   0    0   1 35.87 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   144 APR 15, 1971    2 15:00   0   0   1 35.65 -105.98 00.00       0 49
   385 JUN 15, 1972   10 16:28   0    0   0 35.38 -106.08 00.00       0 49
   513 JUN 8, 1989    8 17:45   0    0   0 35.07 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   514 JUN 8, 1989    9 18:12   0    0   1 35.08 -105.90 35.08 -105.78 49
   969 AUG 15, 1990   13 18:14   0    0   0 35.40 -105.75 00.00       0 49
   942 JUN 29, 1991   28 17:00   0    0   0 35.68 -105.95 00.00       0 49
   716 JUN 9, 2007   19 15:45   0    0   0 35.47 -105.24 35.49 -105.21 49
   717 JUN 9, 2007   20 16:10   0    0   0 35.46 -105.17 35.46 -105.17 49
1431 AUG 17, 2008       16:40   0    0   0 35.58 -105.84 35.58 -105.83 49
1626 OCT 11, 2008       18:33   0    0   0 35.15 -105.94 00.00       0 49
   903 JLY 18, 2009       21:02   0    0   0 35.20 -106.18 35.19 -106.17 49
386045 JLY 24, 2012       15:57   0    0   0 35.62 -106.04 35.62 -106.04 49
410374 OCT 12, 2012       17:08   0    0   0 35.63 -105.67 35.67 -105.58 49

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@Nick as to weather changes that's a weird one to me. As a concrete example NM started a tornado season. That raised several concerns for me. Several of my friends are around 4C physcally even if mentally they feel about 25 to 30. My parents have a basement (ish): Can they get to it? Is their house even built sturdy enough for a full Cat1 much less that Cat4? (and not the RJ-45 Copper) etc. Santa Fe has a hard time with basic radeo. LANAL's WW2 eta air sirens might be tested regularly. I have no idea of Santa Fe even has them still or if they work.
Sufficed to say their was what the weather service and pls translate called a 'Cat 0' cyclone litterally over my house at about 0100 .While aww inspiring to see that type electic storm: NOAA claims NM hasn't had to wory about Cyclones of any sort for about 1million years or so.
Yeah global weather weirdness is definatly a thing.

Part of it is willful. Part of it is they 'just aint from these here parts' lol and now for Yesterday News!

Ralf Fufino (Hulk/Batner) his foundation and one of his many geeky interests is science. He talks and tweets alot about just the pragmatics of the whole thing. Like asking who likes paying 2.5 to 3Euro per litter of desell or gas?
Wouldn't it be fun and just dead useful to have cars that you zip around on air and sun power?

As to the weird polotics. Many of you remember hos weird it probably was like having carter and nixon. I can only guess.
(laughing politely here) as carter put it on his blog: 'And they got mad at me for being inspired by StarTrek and at least trying to make America just plain nice and fun to live in?' (paraphrasing slightly as I don't have the exact quote in front of me)
I experienced how weirdly cool in a strange geeky way B.Clinton was. and vaguely recall him (trying to) do some hopefull and helpful things at the time. He had some pretty odd personalities to wrangle (Gangreen and his infamously long hour slow rants about...everything?)
BClinton had his share of weird polotics. Rigging the election with KGB's help wasn't one of his qurks that I recall anway. I seem to recall his legal and polical issues were more about being a stoner into women. . Now we have a have a troll giving Nixon and Geral Ford a serius run for trollness..

I'd say it's safe to say if untill you experience weird ruralness or have your nerves jolted a few times by earth quakes or meet some Uber Geeks. heads of nasa and Aims Research.. for some it probably seems like far off thing or something not to be concerned about. Those are the ones I have hope for. Like I said a few times nick Drumpf is a troll. He's getting into trouble for being a troll and keeps doing things that are just trolls. Sooner or later that catches up with them.
On a ligher note: "Their is a old Teran maxim. Only nixon can go to china" -Spock.StarTrek Undiscovered Countery.

sudo cat /usr/friam/poltics.txt >/usr/dev/null)

Hope that helps you nick ^_^

You may need to ask doug to translate the unix joke...if he's willing or reading.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
  https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Nick Thompson

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

Sorry. Sentence left out.

‘AND I never claimed that bad tornadoes could not occur in eastern NM. “ Here is a picture of a Barrel Cloud, often a precursor to tornado development, which accompanied a touchdown in Eastern NM a few years back. It’s a honey. You see one of those things, get the hell out of the way. Remarkably, there appear to be perhaps two in this picture. The whole barrel rotates.

http://www.koat.com/news/several-eastern-nm-counties-put-on-tornado-watch/26383400#!WEfrI

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Nick Thompson [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:23 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

Gill,

So I think NOAA-ABQ is on my side in this argument.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 7:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@nick I don't pretend to know how the weather works. (other than hope it does. ) Noaa politely disagrees re: tornados.

https://www.google.com/#q=tornado+warnings+today+in+new+mexico

krqe.com/2017/05/09/photos-funnel-clouds-spotted-in-new-mexico/

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2017-05-09/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees

http://www.koat.com/article/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees/9627250

LOL not that I'm looking to argue ^_^ I differ to you're far greater experience re:weather.

Cyclones in NM is definatly unsual and pretty rare acording to wikipedia. ABQ journal has (had?) pictures of some funnel clouds in the ABQ area as well.

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gill,

If you want to have a horrific anxiety about living In Santa Fe, it would be an urban fire that I would entertain, not a tornado. Tornadoes require three elements, moisture, lift, and shear. (Shear is the shifting of wind speeds and directions with altitude.) Both shear and lift are present in Santa Fe County, as evidence by the cracking good individual thunderstorms but it’s hard to get the high levels of water vapor in here necessary for anything but the weakest tornadoes. Only a hundred miles east is a different story.

While the high desert of central and western new mexico plays has few tornadoes, it plays an important role in the generation of tornadoes elsewhere in the country. Although we think of Santa Fe summers as being relatively cool, the air here in the summer, taking account of its altitude, is actually very warm. When the wind flow is from the west two things simultaneously happen. First, our warm desert air blows out over the plains as an elevated layer which forms cap over the atmosphere below it. Second, the “slumping” of the air current as it is forced out over the sangres, tends to form a low level low pressure area downstream in eastern New Mexico. In to this low pressure areas drawn very moist gulf air from the SE and very cold Canadian air from the NE. These together form a very complex laminated atmosphere which is conditionally unstable. In the mornings, before the sun gets working, it is stable because of the warm air aloft; in the afternoon the heating and the moistening of the lower levels by the action of the sun on the ground makes it more and more unstable until, violently, the whole atmosphere turns over and you get huge rotating groups of thunderstorms called Meso-convective complexes. In short, as long as you stay in Santa Fe county, you are very safe from …tornadoes.

Here are the data:

Santa Fe County Tornadoes
   217 MAY 25, 1956    1 11:54   0    0   0 35.00 -106.30 35.18 -106.13 49
   427 AUG 20, 1956    4 13:30   0    0   1 35.17 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   486 MAY 30, 1957    8 13:20   0    0   0 35.20 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   180 MAY 9, 1959    5 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   181 MAY 9, 1959    6 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   235 MAY 15, 1959    7 13:45   0    0   0 35.70 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   572 SEP 30, 1960    6 17:30   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   564 AUG 16, 1961   11 13:30   0    0   0 35.50 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   213 MAY 26, 1966    2 15:18   0    0   0 35.00 -106.10 00.00       0 49
   585 DEC 26, 1966   16 18:40   0    0   1 35.87 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   144 APR 15, 1971    2 15:00   0   0   1 35.65 -105.98 00.00       0 49
   385 JUN 15, 1972   10 16:28   0    0   0 35.38 -106.08 00.00       0 49
   513 JUN 8, 1989    8 17:45   0    0   0 35.07 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   514 JUN 8, 1989    9 18:12   0    0   1 35.08 -105.90 35.08 -105.78 49
   969 AUG 15, 1990   13 18:14   0    0   0 35.40 -105.75 00.00       0 49
   942 JUN 29, 1991   28 17:00   0    0   0 35.68 -105.95 00.00       0 49
   716 JUN 9, 2007   19 15:45   0    0   0 35.47 -105.24 35.49 -105.21 49
   717 JUN 9, 2007   20 16:10   0    0   0 35.46 -105.17 35.46 -105.17 49
1431 AUG 17, 2008       16:40   0    0   0 35.58 -105.84 35.58 -105.83 49
1626 OCT 11, 2008       18:33   0    0   0 35.15 -105.94 00.00       0 49
   903 JLY 18, 2009       21:02   0    0   0 35.20 -106.18 35.19 -106.17 49
386045 JLY 24, 2012       15:57   0    0   0 35.62 -106.04 35.62 -106.04 49
410374 OCT 12, 2012       17:08   0    0   0 35.63 -105.67 35.67 -105.58 49

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@Nick as to weather changes that's a weird one to me. As a concrete example NM started a tornado season. That raised several concerns for me. Several of my friends are around 4C physcally even if mentally they feel about 25 to 30. My parents have a basement (ish): Can they get to it? Is their house even built sturdy enough for a full Cat1 much less that Cat4? (and not the RJ-45 Copper) etc. Santa Fe has a hard time with basic radeo. LANAL's WW2 eta air sirens might be tested regularly. I have no idea of Santa Fe even has them still or if they work.
Sufficed to say their was what the weather service and pls translate called a 'Cat 0' cyclone litterally over my house at about 0100 .While aww inspiring to see that type electic storm: NOAA claims NM hasn't had to wory about Cyclones of any sort for about 1million years or so.
Yeah global weather weirdness is definatly a thing.

Part of it is willful. Part of it is they 'just aint from these here parts' lol and now for Yesterday News!

Ralf Fufino (Hulk/Batner) his foundation and one of his many geeky interests is science. He talks and tweets alot about just the pragmatics of the whole thing. Like asking who likes paying 2.5 to 3Euro per litter of desell or gas?
Wouldn't it be fun and just dead useful to have cars that you zip around on air and sun power?

As to the weird polotics. Many of you remember hos weird it probably was like having carter and nixon. I can only guess.
(laughing politely here) as carter put it on his blog: 'And they got mad at me for being inspired by StarTrek and at least trying to make America just plain nice and fun to live in?' (paraphrasing slightly as I don't have the exact quote in front of me)
I experienced how weirdly cool in a strange geeky way B.Clinton was. and vaguely recall him (trying to) do some hopefull and helpful things at the time. He had some pretty odd personalities to wrangle (Gangreen and his infamously long hour slow rants about...everything?)
BClinton had his share of weird polotics. Rigging the election with KGB's help wasn't one of his qurks that I recall anway. I seem to recall his legal and polical issues were more about being a stoner into women. . Now we have a have a troll giving Nixon and Geral Ford a serius run for trollness..

I'd say it's safe to say if untill you experience weird ruralness or have your nerves jolted a few times by earth quakes or meet some Uber Geeks. heads of nasa and Aims Research.. for some it probably seems like far off thing or something not to be concerned about. Those are the ones I have hope for. Like I said a few times nick Drumpf is a troll. He's getting into trouble for being a troll and keeps doing things that are just trolls. Sooner or later that catches up with them.
On a ligher note: "Their is a old Teran maxim. Only nixon can go to china" -Spock.StarTrek Undiscovered Countery.

sudo cat /usr/friam/poltics.txt >/usr/dev/null)

Hope that helps you nick ^_^

You may need to ask doug to translate the unix joke...if he's willing or reading.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
  https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Gillian Densmore

Re: To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

Nick just so you know I agree that it feels like the weather is changing right? ^_^

For what it's worth just pointing out someplaces (NM or what ever) while it has weird quirky weather this years

Feels weirder than usual.

As to skeptics?

In my experience their's a few kinds of asking question type folks for many issues including climate weirdness:

-Conflicted (Haven't experienced it first hand) or ("Ok so lets make water powered cars? would that help?") Reasonably sketical ("Yeah, smog's bad here,while the weather seems a bit chile today that's normal right?")

Just examples.

You could ask them if they even want to read or see pictures of climate weirdness from this month, or point to blogs or what ever

That way they don't feel like someone (you or anyone else) is being overly 'in their face'. Basically in my experience the more easy to process or relate to examples of Something Happening. They might be more likely process ThingHere . In your example weather weirdness

It could be lots of things:

(Huh, do you have article or about...OH cool Wow their reely are Robot Hips or Robots that can drive cars!)

LA Has been having worse than usual smog days. Mabie they can relate to that?

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/02/07/us/07californiatoday-web/07californiatoday-web-master768.jpg

Their's some reeely striking pictures from a Deisel sumet where normally what fog looks like...fog is a alien looking yellow and green. Mark Ruffino(Hulk from Marvel) on his Twitter and Blog posted pictures he took. I think other's took pictures as well. Send your friends pondering weather weirdness those kinds of stuff only if their interested though. And let them process the stuff on their own time.

For example: normal morning asia fog looks more like:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/24/article-2347228-1A6EC26B000005DC-121_634x420.jpg

Anyway hope I was helpful! Just tossing out ideas! ^_^

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry. Sentence left out.

‘AND I never claimed that bad tornadoes could not occur in eastern NM. “ Here is a picture of a Barrel Cloud, often a precursor to tornado development, which accompanied a touchdown in Eastern NM a few years back. It’s a honey. You see one of those things, get the hell out of the way. Remarkably, there appear to be perhaps two in this picture. The whole barrel rotates.
http://www.koat.com/news/several-eastern-nm-counties-put-on-tornado-watch/26383400#!WEfrI
Nick


Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Nick Thompson [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:23 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

Gill,

By the time I got to the NOAA dynamic link, it was warning only of frost. Look out for your tomato sets tonight folks, so I don’t know if ABQ-metro was actually warned for tornados today. Or even if there was a watch. Where I live in Massachusetts gets “watched” 2-3 times a year, and warned perhaps once a year. There have been two catastrophic tornadoes there in my lifetime, and many smaller events. Despite the fact that I have looking hard for 60 years, I have never seen a tornado. Frank has seen one, over La Bajada, I think.

Two points: I never claimed that no tornadoes could ever occur in Santa Fe County, only that the probability of a damaging one in your lifetime is so low as not worth the worry. Substantially LESS than the risk of a damaging earthquake in Seattle or a damaging fire in Santa Fe during the same period. Please look at the table at the bottom of my email message. Second, while the weather office and the TV station are in ABQ, today’s tornadoes were mostly EAST of the central mountain chain.

So I think NOAA-ABQ is on my side in this argument.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 7:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@nick I don't pretend to know how the weather works. (other than hope it does. ) Noaa politely disagrees re: tornados.
https://www.google.com/#q=tornado+warnings+today+in+new+mexico

krqe.com/2017/05/09/photos-funnel-clouds-spotted-in-new-mexico/
1.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2017-05-09/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees

http://www.koat.com/article/storm-in-new-mexico-spawns-small-tornado-that-uproots-trees/9627250

LOL not that I'm looking to argue ^_^ I differ to you're far greater experience re:weather.
I didn't even know their was such a thing as 'categor 0' type tornados is a thing. I'd heard of type 1 3 occasionally 5  either someone on weather watch made a typo, google voice didn't understand them, or it reely is a thing and at a guess meens something relatively small, shake a windows. make quite a bit of noise, hail etc
Cyclones in NM is definatly unsual and pretty rare acording to wikipedia. ABQ journal has (had?) pictures of some funnel clouds in the ABQ area as well.

I was just point out the weather is definatly changing some and that some people are trolling that it's not. While others just haven't experience a bit of screwy weather and are simply conflicted what they think and believe.

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Gill,

If you want to have a horrific anxiety about living In Santa Fe, it would be an urban fire that I would entertain, not a tornado. Tornadoes require three elements, moisture, lift, and shear. (Shear is the shifting of wind speeds and directions with altitude.) Both shear and lift are present in Santa Fe County, as evidence by the cracking good individual thunderstorms but it’s hard to get the high levels of water vapor in here necessary for anything but the weakest tornadoes. Only a hundred miles east is a different story.

While the high desert of central and western new mexico plays has few tornadoes, it plays an important role in the generation of tornadoes elsewhere in the country. Although we think of Santa Fe summers as being relatively cool, the air here in the summer, taking account of its altitude, is actually very warm. When the wind flow is from the west two things simultaneously happen. First, our warm desert air blows out over the plains as an elevated layer which forms cap over the atmosphere below it. Second, the “slumping” of the air current as it is forced out over the sangres, tends to form a low level low pressure area downstream in eastern New Mexico. In to this low pressure areas drawn very moist gulf air from the SE and very cold Canadian air from the NE. These together form a very complex laminated atmosphere which is conditionally unstable. In the mornings, before the sun gets working, it is stable because of the warm air aloft; in the afternoon the heating and the moistening of the lower levels by the action of the sun on the ground makes it more and more unstable until, violently, the whole atmosphere turns over and you get huge rotating groups of thunderstorms called Meso-convective complexes. In short, as long as you stay in Santa Fe county, you are very safe from …tornadoes.

Here are the data:

Santa Fe County Tornadoes
   217 MAY 25, 1956    1 11:54   0    0   0 35.00 -106.30 35.18 -106.13 49
   427 AUG 20, 1956    4 13:30   0    0   1 35.17 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   486 MAY 30, 1957    8 13:20   0    0   0 35.20 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   180 MAY 9, 1959    5 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   181 MAY 9, 1959    6 16:00   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   235 MAY 15, 1959    7 13:45   0    0   0 35.70 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   572 SEP 30, 1960    6 17:30   0    0   0 35.20 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   564 AUG 16, 1961   11 13:30   0    0   0 35.50 -105.90 00.00       0 49
   213 MAY 26, 1966    2 15:18   0    0   0 35.00 -106.10 00.00       0 49
   585 DEC 26, 1966   16 18:40   0    0   1 35.87 -106.00 00.00       0 49
   144 APR 15, 1971    2 15:00   0   0   1 35.65 -105.98 00.00       0 49
   385 JUN 15, 1972   10 16:28   0    0   0 35.38 -106.08 00.00       0 49
   513 JUN 8, 1989    8 17:45   0    0   0 35.07 -106.20 00.00       0 49
   514 JUN 8, 1989    9 18:12   0    0   1 35.08 -105.90 35.08 -105.78 49
   969 AUG 15, 1990   13 18:14   0    0   0 35.40 -105.75 00.00       0 49
   942 JUN 29, 1991   28 17:00   0    0   0 35.68 -105.95 00.00       0 49
   716 JUN 9, 2007   19 15:45   0    0   0 35.47 -105.24 35.49 -105.21 49
   717 JUN 9, 2007   20 16:10   0    0   0 35.46 -105.17 35.46 -105.17 49
1431 AUG 17, 2008       16:40   0    0   0 35.58 -105.84 35.58 -105.83 49
1626 OCT 11, 2008       18:33   0    0   0 35.15 -105.94 00.00       0 49
   903 JLY 18, 2009       21:02   0    0   0 35.20 -106.18 35.19 -106.17 49
386045 JLY 24, 2012       15:57   0    0   0 35.62 -106.04 35.62 -106.04 49
410374 OCT 12, 2012       17:08   0    0   0 35.63 -105.67 35.67 -105.58 49

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] To all you Tectonics Deniers out there!

@Nick as to weather changes that's a weird one to me. As a concrete example NM started a tornado season. That raised several concerns for me. Several of my friends are around 4C physcally even if mentally they feel about 25 to 30. My parents have a basement (ish): Can they get to it? Is their house even built sturdy enough for a full Cat1 much less that Cat4? (and not the RJ-45 Copper) etc. Santa Fe has a hard time with basic radeo. LANAL's WW2 eta air sirens might be tested regularly. I have no idea of Santa Fe even has them still or if they work.
Sufficed to say their was what the weather service and pls translate called a 'Cat 0' cyclone litterally over my house at about 0100 .While aww inspiring to see that type electic storm: NOAA claims NM hasn't had to wory about Cyclones of any sort for about 1million years or so.
Yeah global weather weirdness is definatly a thing.

Part of it is willful. Part of it is they 'just aint from these here parts' lol and now for Yesterday News!

Ralf Fufino (Hulk/Batner) his foundation and one of his many geeky interests is science. He talks and tweets alot about just the pragmatics of the whole thing. Like asking who likes paying 2.5 to 3Euro per litter of desell or gas?
Wouldn't it be fun and just dead useful to have cars that you zip around on air and sun power?

As to the weird polotics. Many of you remember hos weird it probably was like having carter and nixon. I can only guess.
(laughing politely here) as carter put it on his blog: 'And they got mad at me for being inspired by StarTrek and at least trying to make America just plain nice and fun to live in?' (paraphrasing slightly as I don't have the exact quote in front of me)
I experienced how weirdly cool in a strange geeky way B.Clinton was. and vaguely recall him (trying to) do some hopefull and helpful things at the time. He had some pretty odd personalities to wrangle (Gangreen and his infamously long hour slow rants about...everything?)
BClinton had his share of weird polotics. Rigging the election with KGB's help wasn't one of his qurks that I recall anway. I seem to recall his legal and polical issues were more about being a stoner into women. . Now we have a have a troll giving Nixon and Geral Ford a serius run for trollness..

I'd say it's safe to say if untill you experience weird ruralness or have your nerves jolted a few times by earth quakes or meet some Uber Geeks. heads of nasa and Aims Research.. for some it probably seems like far off thing or something not to be concerned about. Those are the ones I have hope for. Like I said a few times nick Drumpf is a troll. He's getting into trouble for being a troll and keeps doing things that are just trolls. Sooner or later that catches up with them.
On a ligher note: "Their is a old Teran maxim. Only nixon can go to china" -Spock.StarTrek Undiscovered Countery.

sudo cat /usr/friam/poltics.txt >/usr/dev/null)

Hope that helps you nick ^_^

You may need to ask doug to translate the unix joke...if he's willing or reading.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
To the Local Congregation,

Tomorrow is going to be my last FRIAM for a bit. So, I am hoping to leave with answers to the following two questions. The first comes from an R. G. Colleague of mine from France and Serbia, etc.

“Interference” in elections has been going on between countries forever, and we and the British are particularly adept at it with our BBC’s and our “Cultural Programs”, and the CIA screwing the Iranian elections, etc. So, why is the Russian interference in our election (and the French election)(and the Brexit vote) such a big deal? What is special about it? Are we just being whiners and crybabies?

The second is entirely my own, and is, in fact, a left-over from a conversation we were having last week:

Some people think that global warming, coastal flooding, etc., is not something to worry about and “we”call those people “climate deniers”. “We” have many friends, relatives, and financial commitments in the Bay Area of California, in Seattle and in the Los Angeles basin, where at least one very severe earthquake is very likely in the next 20 years. Are “we” tectonics deniers?

Discuss. Give your reasons.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 PM
To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
  https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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