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Frank Wimberly-2

I have told some of you about my grandson, who wants to be a film editor.  I arranged for him to meet with the undergraduate adviser in the College of Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon.  Among other things that man told him that he could get credit for certain courses at the Pittsburgh Filmmakers Institute.  When my grandson visited the latter organization his reaction was to ask what he needed Carnegie Mellon for.  I took this as lack of appreciation for the value of a liberal education.  I find the linked address by the President of Harvard to be relevant:

http://www.harvard.edu/president/speech/2016/to-be-speaker-words-and-doer-deeds-literature-and-leadership

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Re: To Be “A Speaker of Words and a Doer of Deeds:” Literature and Leadership | Harvard University

Merle Lefkoff-2
Bragging about his "deep roots in the military" and speaking at West Point, I can't imagine why you would confuse this with a liberal education.  We have endless war and a global militarization of our governance structures.  The masters of the universe at Harvard, etc. are sadly implicated and what's worse--don't even recognize it.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have told some of you about my grandson, who wants to be a film editor.  I arranged for him to meet with the undergraduate adviser in the College of Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon.  Among other things that man told him that he could get credit for certain courses at the Pittsburgh Filmmakers Institute.  When my grandson visited the latter organization his reaction was to ask what he needed Carnegie Mellon for.  I took this as lack of appreciation for the value of a liberal education.  I find the linked address by the President of Harvard to be relevant:

http://www.harvard.edu/president/speech/2016/to-be-speaker-words-and-doer-deeds-literature-and-leadership

Frank
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Re: To Be “A Speaker of Words and a Doer of Deeds:” Literature and Leadership | Harvard University

gepr

It's downright Faustian!

On 03/29/2016 01:33 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> Bragging about his "deep roots in the military" and speaking at West Point, I can't imagine why you would confuse this with a liberal education.  We have endless war and a global militarization of our governance structures.  The masters of the universe at Harvard, etc. are sadly implicated and what's worse--don't even recognize it.
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> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
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>     I have told some of you about my grandson, who wants to be a film editor.  I arranged for him to meet with the undergraduate adviser in the College of Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon.  Among other things that man told him that he could get credit for certain courses at the Pittsburgh Filmmakers Institute.  When my grandson visited the latter organization his reaction was to ask what he needed Carnegie Mellon for.  I took this as lack of appreciation for the value of a liberal education.  I find the linked address by the President of Harvard to be relevant:
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>     http://www.harvard.edu/president/speech/2016/to-be-speaker-words-and-doer-deeds-literature-and-leadership

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Re: To Be “A Speaker of Words and a Doer of Deeds:” Literature and Leadership | Harvard University

Edward Angel
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Relevant to what? Certainly not to becoming a film editor. 

He probably got good advice at the Filmmakers Institute. I have a couple of close friends whose children married aspiring film editors and writers. The great education my friends' children got at the best universities went to supporting their spouses' attempts to make it in the film industry; so far all have been unsuccessful. Hundreds of schools have created film programs that are pouring out students who can’t even get started in the film industry (it’s a highly unionized business with high bars to entry). Unless he can get into USC or one or two other schools, the value of a liberal arts education probably will not translate to breaking into the industry. Jonathan Wacks who used to run the film program at College of Santa Fe and now runs the excellent program at Emerson in Boston would tell his students to get to CA as soon as they could if they intended to work in the industry.

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On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have told some of you about my grandson, who wants to be a film editor.  I arranged for him to meet with the undergraduate adviser in the College of Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon.  Among other things that man told him that he could get credit for certain courses at the Pittsburgh Filmmakers Institute.  When my grandson visited the latter organization his reaction was to ask what he needed Carnegie Mellon for.  I took this as lack of appreciation for the value of a liberal education.  I find the linked address by the President of Harvard to be relevant:

http://www.harvard.edu/president/speech/2016/to-be-speaker-words-and-doer-deeds-literature-and-leadership

Frank
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Frank Wimberly-2

They told us at Carnegie when I was a freshman that the purpose of our education was not to get a job.  That was in 1961; perhaps times have changed.

As you know, my grandson went to Emerson and didn't like it.

Frank

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On Mar 29, 2016 3:12 PM, "Edward Angel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Relevant to what? Certainly not to becoming a film editor. 

He probably got good advice at the Filmmakers Institute. I have a couple of close friends whose children married aspiring film editors and writers. The great education my friends' children got at the best universities went to supporting their spouses' attempts to make it in the film industry; so far all have been unsuccessful. Hundreds of schools have created film programs that are pouring out students who can’t even get started in the film industry (it’s a highly unionized business with high bars to entry). Unless he can get into USC or one or two other schools, the value of a liberal arts education probably will not translate to breaking into the industry. Jonathan Wacks who used to run the film program at College of Santa Fe and now runs the excellent program at Emerson in Boston would tell his students to get to CA as soon as they could if they intended to work in the industry.

Ed
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Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
<a href="tel:505-984-0136" value="+15059840136" target="_blank">505-984-0136 (home)   [hidden email]
<a href="tel:505-453-4944" value="+15054534944" target="_blank">505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have told some of you about my grandson, who wants to be a film editor.  I arranged for him to meet with the undergraduate adviser in the College of Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon.  Among other things that man told him that he could get credit for certain courses at the Pittsburgh Filmmakers Institute.  When my grandson visited the latter organization his reaction was to ask what he needed Carnegie Mellon for.  I took this as lack of appreciation for the value of a liberal education.  I find the linked address by the President of Harvard to be relevant:

http://www.harvard.edu/president/speech/2016/to-be-speaker-words-and-doer-deeds-literature-and-leadership

Frank
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