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The laws of history

Jochen Fromm-3

Stuart Kauffman writes in his book "At Home in the Universe" on page 299:
"We lack a theory of how the elements of our public lives
link into webs of elements that act on one another and
transform one another. We call these transformations
'history'. Hence with all the accidents of history,
one must engage in a renewed debate: Is there a place for
law in the historical sciences? Can we find lawlike patterns,
cultural, economic, and otherwise?"

This question is quite similar to the question of Leo Nikolayevich
Tolstoy in his epic novel "War and Peace":
"Only by taking infinitesimally small units for observation
(the differential of history, that is, the individual tendencies
of men) and attaining to the art of integrating them (that is,
finding the sum of these infinitesimals) can we hope to arrive
at the laws of history.", War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy, Book 11, Chapter 1
http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2600

Both Kauffman and Tolstoy are great story tellers, and
history is teld in stories, too. Is history just a collection
of stories or more? What do you think, can we establish universal
"laws of history", as they say? It is clear that the most
basic law which governs history is evolution and coevolution.
Besides evolution, what else can we say if we concentrate
on agent based models? Are phenomena like the "Butterfly Effect",
"Path Dependence" or "Frozen Accidents" equivalent to laws? Is the
micro or the macro level more important for the "laws of history"?

-J.



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The laws of history

Russell Standish
This is the plot device for Isaac Asimov's foundation series. More
seriously, Chris Zeeman argued for Catastrophe Theory applied to
history - eg I think he analysed the fall of the Roman
empire. Unfortunately, I think it gave catastrophe theory a bad name.

Cheers

On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:14:06AM +0200, Jochen Fromm wrote:

>
> Stuart Kauffman writes in his book "At Home in the Universe" on page 299:
> "We lack a theory of how the elements of our public lives
> link into webs of elements that act on one another and
> transform one another. We call these transformations
> 'history'. Hence with all the accidents of history,
> one must engage in a renewed debate: Is there a place for
> law in the historical sciences? Can we find lawlike patterns,
> cultural, economic, and otherwise?"
>
> This question is quite similar to the question of Leo Nikolayevich
> Tolstoy in his epic novel "War and Peace":
> "Only by taking infinitesimally small units for observation
> (the differential of history, that is, the individual tendencies
> of men) and attaining to the art of integrating them (that is,
> finding the sum of these infinitesimals) can we hope to arrive
> at the laws of history.", War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy, Book 11, Chapter 1
> http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/
> http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2600
>
> Both Kauffman and Tolstoy are great story tellers, and
> history is teld in stories, too. Is history just a collection
> of stories or more? What do you think, can we establish universal
> "laws of history", as they say? It is clear that the most
> basic law which governs history is evolution and coevolution.
> Besides evolution, what else can we say if we concentrate
> on agent based models? Are phenomena like the "Butterfly Effect",
> "Path Dependence" or "Frozen Accidents" equivalent to laws? Is the
> micro or the macro level more important for the "laws of history"?
>
> -J.
>
>
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The laws of history

Robert Holmes-2
In reply to this post by Jochen Fromm-3
Actually John Lewis Gaddis (a Yale history professor) writes at length on
this in "The Landscape of History". He devotes a couple of chapters to
drawing parallels betweeen various historical processes and
self-organisation, sensitivity to initial conditions and the other usual
suspects. He spoke at SFI on these parallels about a year ago.

Robert

On 10/7/05, Jochen Fromm <fromm at vs.uni-kassel.de> wrote:

>
>
> Stuart Kauffman writes in his book "At Home in the Universe" on page 299:
> "We lack a theory of how the elements of our public lives
> link into webs of elements that act on one another and
> transform one another. We call these transformations
> 'history'. Hence with all the accidents of history,
> one must engage in a renewed debate: Is there a place for
> law in the historical sciences? Can we find lawlike patterns,
> cultural, economic, and otherwise?"
>
> This question is quite similar to the question of Leo Nikolayevich
> Tolstoy in his epic novel "War and Peace":
> "Only by taking infinitesimally small units for observation
> (the differential of history, that is, the individual tendencies
> of men) and attaining to the art of integrating them (that is,
> finding the sum of these infinitesimals) can we hope to arrive
> at the laws of history.", War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy, Book 11, Chapter 1
> http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/
> http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2600
>
> Both Kauffman and Tolstoy are great story tellers, and
> history is teld in stories, too. Is history just a collection
> of stories or more? What do you think, can we establish universal
> "laws of history", as they say? It is clear that the most
> basic law which governs history is evolution and coevolution.
> Besides evolution, what else can we say if we concentrate
> on agent based models? Are phenomena like the "Butterfly Effect",
> "Path Dependence" or "Frozen Accidents" equivalent to laws? Is the
> micro or the macro level more important for the "laws of history"?
>
> -J.
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations
> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
> http://www.friam.org
>
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The laws of history

Carl Tollander
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I have not read this thing, but it looks interesting, particularly since
it's using the "edge effects" lingo and bows
a lot towards the Foundation books.  Preface is online.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131499963/002-4457719-3561624?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance

Also, science fiction fans might want to look at Benford's Foundation
prequel book. "Foundation's Fear", for how Asimov's characters might
have employed chaos and complexity concepts.

Carl

Russell Standish wrote:

>This is the plot device for Isaac Asimov's foundation series. More
>seriously, Chris Zeeman argued for Catastrophe Theory applied to
>history - eg I think he analysed the fall of the Roman
>empire. Unfortunately, I think it gave catastrophe theory a bad name.
>
>Cheers
>
>On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:14:06AM +0200, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>  
>
>>Stuart Kauffman writes in his book "At Home in the Universe" on page 299:
>>"We lack a theory of how the elements of our public lives
>>link into webs of elements that act on one another and
>>transform one another. We call these transformations
>>'history'. Hence with all the accidents of history,
>>one must engage in a renewed debate: Is there a place for
>>law in the historical sciences? Can we find lawlike patterns,
>>cultural, economic, and otherwise?"
>>
>>This question is quite similar to the question of Leo Nikolayevich
>>Tolstoy in his epic novel "War and Peace":
>>"Only by taking infinitesimally small units for observation
>>(the differential of history, that is, the individual tendencies
>>of men) and attaining to the art of integrating them (that is,
>>finding the sum of these infinitesimals) can we hope to arrive
>>at the laws of history.", War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy, Book 11, Chapter 1
>>http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/
>>http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2600
>>
>>Both Kauffman and Tolstoy are great story tellers, and
>>history is teld in stories, too. Is history just a collection
>>of stories or more? What do you think, can we establish universal
>>"laws of history", as they say? It is clear that the most
>>basic law which governs history is evolution and coevolution.
>>Besides evolution, what else can we say if we concentrate
>>on agent based models? Are phenomena like the "Butterfly Effect",
>>"Path Dependence" or "Frozen Accidents" equivalent to laws? Is the
>>micro or the macro level more important for the "laws of history"?
>>
>>-J.
>>
>>
>>============================================================
>>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations
>>Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.:
>>http://www.friam.org
>>    
>>
>
>  
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