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http://arxiv.org/abs/adap-org/9912005 .. saying: I was fascinated a few years ago to read Shnerb's PNAS article on "The Importance of Being Discrete," exhibiting qualitatively different behaviors in an equation-based and an entity-based model of the same system ... Owen Densmore 908 Camino Santander Santa Fe, NM 87505 [hidden email] Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 AIM:owendensmore http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net |
There are several famous examples where discreteness gives a completely
different result than continuity: 1. Period doubling route to chaos (discrete iteration of logistic equation x[i+1]=r x[i](1-x[i]). Continuity (integrating differential equation) gives S-curve to saturation. 2. Kimura's results on genetic drift. (start with 50% of each of two competing alleles, one always excludes the other eventually) Continuity says 50% stays 50%. Cheers, Bruce On Wednesday, December 31, 2003, at 08:33 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Someone on the NetLogo list sent a reference to this: > http://arxiv.org/abs/adap-org/9912005 > .. saying: > I was fascinated a few years ago to read Shnerb's PNAS article on > "The > Importance of Being Discrete," exhibiting qualitatively different > behaviors > in an equation-based and an entity-based model of the same system ... > > Owen Densmore 908 Camino Santander Santa Fe, NM 87505 > [hidden email] Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 > AIM:owendensmore http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > |
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Halfway through Shnerb's paper I read "... the arguments and computer
experiments mentioned above show convincingly that the individuals based life is much more resilient than a hypothetical life density spread across spatial regions". Well that seems fair enough, I think, if Shnerb is talking about the entities in his artificial 2d world where he has indeed shown that discrete and continuous descriptions diverge. But no, I'm apparently not thinking big enough. "In particular most of the species in nature could be in this regime... Similarly markets... In fact this line of thought might provide an explanation to the emergence of life..." And later: "This may explain the fact that most of the ecological systems are two dimensional". I think I must have missed that lesson on scientific method where such evidence-free leaps of faith were shown to be valid. Robert Holmes {author of "How my 1-d Cellular Automata Models Everything in the Universe Ever"} -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: 31 December 2003 09:34 To: The Friday Morning Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The Importance of Being Discrete - Life Always Wins on theSurface Someone on the NetLogo list sent a reference to this: http://arxiv.org/abs/adap-org/9912005 .. saying: I was fascinated a few years ago to read Shnerb's PNAS article on "The Importance of Being Discrete," exhibiting qualitatively different behaviors in an equation-based and an entity-based model of the same system ... Owen Densmore 908 Camino Santander Santa Fe, NM 87505 [hidden email] Cell: 505-570-0168 Home: 505-988-3787 AIM:owendensmore http://complexityworkshop.com http://backspaces.net ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9AM @ Jane's Cafe Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: http://www.friam.org |
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Bruce Sawhill wrote: > There are several famous examples where discreteness gives a > completely different result than continuity: > > 1. Period doubling route to chaos (discrete iteration of logistic > equation x[i+1]=r x[i](1-x[i]). Continuity (integrating differential > equation) gives S-curve to saturation. This example was reported by Robert M. May in Science, 15 November 1974, 186:645-647. -- rec -- |
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