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Alfredo Covaleda wrote circa 10-12-09 01:18 PM:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY7p9I7wWh0 Nice! You gotta love Blue Öyster Cult. I figured I'd check out the anonops #OperationPayback IRC channel just to get a feel for it. Man, that place is hoppin. I didn't learn anything, though. -- glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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In reply to this post by Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
Don't support the current Wikileaks,
and don't turn Assange into a hero. Julian Assange is not the hero the media wants to see in him. The problem is that the media does not report objective or independent in the case of Wikileaks. Whenever the media is involved in a case itself, it comes to a big buzz caused by a positive feedback loop. Assange suspended the German hacker Daniel Schmidt (alias Daniel Domscheit-Berg), when the platform turned from a whistleblower site to a biased site for the fight against a superpower - the US. Daniel reports about it here (in German) http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,719604,00.html http://www.freitag.de/wochenthema/1041-im-prinzip-gut What he says makes sense, the original Wikileaks he had in mind is a much better thing than the current Wikileaks, which has turned into a biased site for a Don Quichotte fight against windmills. -J. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Hmmm.... Julian Assange is not the hero - Wikileaks is the hero, or at least our proxy press. However, organizations need leaders, and Assange is now the face - must stand up. If the Swedish sex charges weren't trumped up, someone would have trumped up something else. If Assange quits, the next leader will be attacked. Once you start whistleblowing against the US, it's game on - you're in the major leagues. I think Daniel simply doesn't understand what he's up against, how the game's changed. One cable showed the US shut down a Spanish court investigation into torture - serious stuff. These are no windmills - they are facts, and reporting them is necessary. The US media is not doing its jobs. You can quibble about Wikileaks, but they've only published 1300 documents - after major papers vet them and release them. They gave everyone time to see and block anything that would be really damaging. On 12/10/2010 10:02 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > Don't support the current Wikileaks, > and don't turn Assange into a hero. > Julian Assange is not the hero the media > wants to see in him. The problem is that > the media does not report objective or independent in the case of > Wikileaks. > Whenever the media is involved in a case itself, it comes to a big > buzz caused by > a positive feedback loop. > > Assange suspended the German hacker Daniel Schmidt (alias Daniel > Domscheit-Berg), > when the platform turned from a whistleblower > site to a biased site for the fight against a superpower - the US. > Daniel reports about it here (in German) > http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,719604,00.html > http://www.freitag.de/wochenthema/1041-im-prinzip-gut > > What he says makes sense, the original Wikileaks he had in mind is a > much better thing than the current Wikileaks, which has turned into a > biased site for a Don Quichotte fight against windmills. > > -J. > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Agree. Naturally it has a lot of value to know truth. Anyhow, many of the documents are no more than idle gossip and conjectures. Others are probably true but lack of value as proves and some guilties will continue walking free, cynically laughing at us and getting more powerful. At least some deceived are facing truth. Alfredo 2010/12/11 Bill Eldridge <[hidden email]>
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