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Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list: Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System, compiling the site from Markdown and html templates. I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time for a change. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Hi Owen, et al., You might also try this nearly-free ($17), well-supported, database-free CMS called Kirby. It is file-based and very easy to implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations. Cheers, Robert Wall On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Probably not what you want, but I author all my websites in LaTeX, and
use a combination of LaTeX2HTML and Makefiles to publish the site. I use subversion or git to do content management. You could also use latexml, which provides a slightly more modern output, but I like LaTex2HTML because its basically a bunch of perl scripts that are eminenently hackable. Great for static websites, with all the added goodness of LaTeX (which is a superior markup language for most purposes than Markdown). Its also fairly easy to embed PHP and Javascript code directly into the LaTeX source files too, so dynamic websites are also possible, but with LaTeX macros, and perl scriptability, a lot can be done statically. Cheers On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 04:16:47PM -0600, Robert Wall wrote: > Hi Owen, et al., > > You might also try this nearly-free ($17) > <https://sites.fastspring.com/openwe/instant/kirby2-personal>, > well-supported <http://getkirby.com/support>, database-free CMS > <http://web.appstorm.net/reviews/web-dev/kirby-the-flat-file-cms-thatll-make-you-rethink-content-management/> > called Kirby <http://getkirby.com/>. It is file-based and very easy to > implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal > website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on > MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations. > > Cheers, > > Robert Wall > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list: > > https://www.staticgen.com/ > > Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System, > > compiling the site from Markdown and html templates. > > > > I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time > > for a change. > > > > -- Owen > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Do websites in LaTeX? Wow!
(with my apologies, and my thickest, faux-Aussie Paul Hogan accent) “Geek??? Now, *that’s* a geek!" On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: > Probably not what you want, but I author all my websites in LaTeX, and > use a combination of LaTeX2HTML and Makefiles to publish the site. I > use subversion or git to do content management. You could also use > latexml, which provides a slightly more modern output, but I like > LaTex2HTML because its basically a bunch of perl scripts that are > eminenently hackable. > > Great for static websites, with all the added goodness of LaTeX (which > is a superior markup language for most purposes than Markdown). > > Its also fairly easy to embed PHP and Javascript code directly into > the LaTeX source files too, so dynamic websites are also possible, but > with LaTeX macros, and perl scriptability, a lot can be done statically. > > Cheers > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 04:16:47PM -0600, Robert Wall wrote: >> Hi Owen, et al., >> >> You might also try this nearly-free ($17) >> <https://sites.fastspring.com/openwe/instant/kirby2-personal>, >> well-supported <http://getkirby.com/support>, database-free CMS >> <http://web.appstorm.net/reviews/web-dev/kirby-the-flat-file-cms-thatll-make-you-rethink-content-management/> >> called Kirby <http://getkirby.com/>. It is file-based and very easy to >> implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal >> website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on >> MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Robert Wall >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list: >> > https://www.staticgen.com/ >> > Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System, >> > compiling the site from Markdown and html templates. >> > >> > I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time >> > for a change. >> > >> > -- Owen >> > >> > >> > ============================================================ >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > > >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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It's odd. I've been building websites in LaTeX for more than 20 years
now. Much of what passes for modern (eg markdown, CMSes, FrontPage and so on) just seem to be reinvented wheels, poorly implemented. Having chosen my horse, and invested heavily in it, LaTeX just keeps delivering. Such as producing full colour overhead transparencies years before Power Point became available. Such as the afore mentioned website generation. And of course, it excels in what it was originally designed for, producing beautiful books. Anyway, I'm sure its not everybody's cup of tea. Cheers On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 08:15:57PM -0500, Gary Schiltz wrote: > Do websites in LaTeX? Wow! > > (with my apologies, and my thickest, faux-Aussie Paul Hogan accent) > > “Geek??? Now, *that’s* a geek!" > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Probably not what you want, but I author all my websites in LaTeX, and > > use a combination of LaTeX2HTML and Makefiles to publish the site. I > > use subversion or git to do content management. You could also use > > latexml, which provides a slightly more modern output, but I like > > LaTex2HTML because its basically a bunch of perl scripts that are > > eminenently hackable. > > > > Great for static websites, with all the added goodness of LaTeX (which > > is a superior markup language for most purposes than Markdown). > > > > Its also fairly easy to embed PHP and Javascript code directly into > > the LaTeX source files too, so dynamic websites are also possible, but > > with LaTeX macros, and perl scriptability, a lot can be done statically. > > > > Cheers > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 04:16:47PM -0600, Robert Wall wrote: > >> Hi Owen, et al., > >> > >> You might also try this nearly-free ($17) > >> <https://sites.fastspring.com/openwe/instant/kirby2-personal>, > >> well-supported <http://getkirby.com/support>, database-free CMS > >> <http://web.appstorm.net/reviews/web-dev/kirby-the-flat-file-cms-thatll-make-you-rethink-content-management/> > >> called Kirby <http://getkirby.com/>. It is file-based and very easy to > >> implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal > >> website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on > >> MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Robert Wall > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> > Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list: > >> > https://www.staticgen.com/ > >> > Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System, > >> > compiling the site from Markdown and html templates. > >> > > >> > I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time > >> > for a change. > >> > > >> > -- Owen > >> > > >> > > >> > ============================================================ > >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> > > > > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > -- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > > Principal, High Performance Coders > > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Hey Russell, in case it wasn’t clear, please understand that I was
making a joke with a (probably overly obscured) compliment. I very much admire folks who use manual tools like LaTeX and Emacs, and also like a lot of what I know of Australian culture. Although “Crocodile Dundee” was an absurd stereotype of that culture, a lot of us Americans relate to the brash, no-BS character of that stereotype. And in case you didn’t see the movie, my comment referred to a scene where some American gang punk pulls a switchblade knife and threatens Dundee with it. Dundee says “Knife?”, pulls out a huge Bowie knife, holds it up, and says in that stereotyped accent, “Now, *that’s* a knife!”. On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: > It's odd. I've been building websites in LaTeX for more than 20 years > now. Much of what passes for modern (eg markdown, CMSes, FrontPage and so on) > just seem to be reinvented wheels, poorly implemented. > > Having chosen my horse, and invested heavily in it, LaTeX just keeps > delivering. Such as producing full colour overhead transparencies > years before Power Point became available. Such as the afore mentioned > website generation. And of course, it excels in what it was originally > designed for, producing beautiful books. > > Anyway, I'm sure its not everybody's cup of tea. > > Cheers > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 08:15:57PM -0500, Gary Schiltz wrote: >> Do websites in LaTeX? Wow! >> >> (with my apologies, and my thickest, faux-Aussie Paul Hogan accent) >> >> “Geek??? Now, *that’s* a geek!" >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > Probably not what you want, but I author all my websites in LaTeX, and >> > use a combination of LaTeX2HTML and Makefiles to publish the site. I >> > use subversion or git to do content management. You could also use >> > latexml, which provides a slightly more modern output, but I like >> > LaTex2HTML because its basically a bunch of perl scripts that are >> > eminenently hackable. >> > >> > Great for static websites, with all the added goodness of LaTeX (which >> > is a superior markup language for most purposes than Markdown). >> > >> > Its also fairly easy to embed PHP and Javascript code directly into >> > the LaTeX source files too, so dynamic websites are also possible, but >> > with LaTeX macros, and perl scriptability, a lot can be done statically. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 04:16:47PM -0600, Robert Wall wrote: >> >> Hi Owen, et al., >> >> >> >> You might also try this nearly-free ($17) >> >> <https://sites.fastspring.com/openwe/instant/kirby2-personal>, >> >> well-supported <http://getkirby.com/support>, database-free CMS >> >> <http://web.appstorm.net/reviews/web-dev/kirby-the-flat-file-cms-thatll-make-you-rethink-content-management/> >> >> called Kirby <http://getkirby.com/>. It is file-based and very easy to >> >> implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal >> >> website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on >> >> MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Robert Wall >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list: >> >> > https://www.staticgen.com/ >> >> > Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System, >> >> > compiling the site from Markdown and html templates. >> >> > >> >> > I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time >> >> > for a change. >> >> > >> >> > -- Owen >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ============================================================ >> >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> >> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> >> > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> > >> > >> >> ============================================================ >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> > Principal, High Performance Coders >> > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] >> > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > ============================================================ >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Okay, so the scene is a bit more complex than I had remembered.
Everything’s available on Youtube these days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NHcTM5IA4 On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hey Russell, in case it wasn’t clear, please understand that I was > making a joke with a (probably overly obscured) compliment. I very > much admire folks who use manual tools like LaTeX and Emacs, and also > like a lot of what I know of Australian culture. Although “Crocodile > Dundee” was an absurd stereotype of that culture, a lot of us > Americans relate to the brash, no-BS character of that stereotype. And > in case you didn’t see the movie, my comment referred to a scene where > some American gang punk pulls a switchblade knife and threatens Dundee > with it. Dundee says “Knife?”, pulls out a huge Bowie knife, holds it > up, and says in that stereotyped accent, “Now, *that’s* a knife!”. > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: >> It's odd. I've been building websites in LaTeX for more than 20 years >> now. Much of what passes for modern (eg markdown, CMSes, FrontPage and so on) >> just seem to be reinvented wheels, poorly implemented. >> >> Having chosen my horse, and invested heavily in it, LaTeX just keeps >> delivering. Such as producing full colour overhead transparencies >> years before Power Point became available. Such as the afore mentioned >> website generation. And of course, it excels in what it was originally >> designed for, producing beautiful books. >> >> Anyway, I'm sure its not everybody's cup of tea. >> >> Cheers >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 08:15:57PM -0500, Gary Schiltz wrote: >>> Do websites in LaTeX? Wow! >>> >>> (with my apologies, and my thickest, faux-Aussie Paul Hogan accent) >>> >>> “Geek??? Now, *that’s* a geek!" >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> > Probably not what you want, but I author all my websites in LaTeX, and >>> > use a combination of LaTeX2HTML and Makefiles to publish the site. I >>> > use subversion or git to do content management. You could also use >>> > latexml, which provides a slightly more modern output, but I like >>> > LaTex2HTML because its basically a bunch of perl scripts that are >>> > eminenently hackable. >>> > >>> > Great for static websites, with all the added goodness of LaTeX (which >>> > is a superior markup language for most purposes than Markdown). >>> > >>> > Its also fairly easy to embed PHP and Javascript code directly into >>> > the LaTeX source files too, so dynamic websites are also possible, but >>> > with LaTeX macros, and perl scriptability, a lot can be done statically. >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > >>> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 04:16:47PM -0600, Robert Wall wrote: >>> >> Hi Owen, et al., >>> >> >>> >> You might also try this nearly-free ($17) >>> >> <https://sites.fastspring.com/openwe/instant/kirby2-personal>, >>> >> well-supported <http://getkirby.com/support>, database-free CMS >>> >> <http://web.appstorm.net/reviews/web-dev/kirby-the-flat-file-cms-thatll-make-you-rethink-content-management/> >>> >> called Kirby <http://getkirby.com/>. It is file-based and very easy to >>> >> implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal >>> >> website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on >>> >> MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> Robert Wall >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list: >>> >> > https://www.staticgen.com/ >>> >> > Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System, >>> >> > compiling the site from Markdown and html templates. >>> >> > >>> >> > I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time >>> >> > for a change. >>> >> > >>> >> > -- Owen >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ============================================================ >>> >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> >> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> >> > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >> > >>> > >>> >> ============================================================ >>> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >>> > Principal, High Performance Coders >>> > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] >>> > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > ============================================================ >>> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> -- >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> Principal, High Performance Coders >> Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] >> University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:16:55PM -0500, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> Hey Russell, in case it wasn’t clear, please understand that I was > making a joke with a (probably overly obscured) compliment. I very > much admire folks who use manual tools like LaTeX and Emacs, and also > like a lot of what I know of Australian culture. Although “Crocodile > Dundee” was an absurd stereotype of that culture, a lot of us > Americans relate to the brash, no-BS character of that stereotype. And > in case you didn’t see the movie, my comment referred to a scene where > some American gang punk pulls a switchblade knife and threatens Dundee > with it. Dundee says “Knife?”, pulls out a huge Bowie knife, holds it > up, and says in that stereotyped accent, “Now, *that’s* a knife!”. > Sure I was aware of the scene. It was a fun movie. And Hoges's accent was genuine, even though he doesn't normally talk that way, you do get characters who talk like that. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Yes and no. The short answer is that there are some file and folder systems out there. Kirb that was mentioned is unique in that it's (sort of) shareware, It's my understanding so is pulse, and and grav. For the most part there still in the 'for developers' stage. Where there are all manner of gotchas. The size of the community, and ease of support will very if your run into a Undocumented Feature. It seems as if they fall on a spectrum. On one end there's On one end there's Grav, possibly Jekyll as well. On the other end there's October. Kirby, pulse and Wonder seem to be in the middle.. Its just files and folders, as far as I know just uses CSS to adjust it's look and feel On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:16:55PM -0500, Gary Schiltz wrote: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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To keep the conversation going and because I suspect you're doing the Cool Book On The Coffee Table stunt: Try a few and see what you like. On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I guess I should be clear about why I'm looking for a static site generator. CMSs, to me, isolate me from my site. If I want to change to a different technology, I have to fight MySql & PHP, both pretty old and showing their flaws. I'm also separated from my content itself. So if I have a markdown or latex core, then its fairly easy to change tech. I also don't like the way CMSs force a lot of decisions on me. Their way or the highway. I just took Ed Angel's WebGL Mooc and decided to make my own static generator. A single html file for all assignments. Markdown for a div that explains the assignment and how to use it. A stunt that takes the markdown and derives the html page title and the page banner title. And naturally a canvas for webgl's use. And use of es6, modules, module loaders and lots more. I can't see a CMS being that flexible. But site generators can be. The single html page for them is a "template", generally 3: About, Home, and Pages. -- Owen On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Have you started building the site generator?
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Is generator the right word? It sounds like you want a system to manage files and folders, is that right? For what-what-it's-worth. HTML templates is a fine way to start. historically wordpress, drupal and the like were popular because, they just worked.. Though I'd say the same about good ol fation HTML. And also "right tool fer the job!"-Scotty and basically every pragmatist ever. I'm concerned this is becoming a rabbit hole for you.On the one hand you're justifiably frustrated backspace went poof, on the other hand your fidgeting with technologies, and doodads that are basicaly in beta and sometimes work and others don't. I have a pretty clear picture that won't end well, and you'll be sitting at a pub with some mead or beer or mumbling about why is this way to complicated everything sucks. From what I gather when you started this thread you wanted to get backspaces(webpage) going, and basically have a way to blog and talk about cool things. That's cool and very much needed these days Or am I wrong? I'm a little confused now because you on one hand say you want a weby-helper, on the other say they all suck and I'ma make my own, while at the same time raving about folder'n File helpers, espousing the virtues of markdown. Grubber might be amused. By all meens try to make a better content maker as a hobby. Just don't let it irk you, tinker while it's fun, then stop and surface. How wever for backspaces(webywebysite) any ideas what would be good enough?^_^ It might be good enough to have a file and folder manager, and just use good ol fation HTML. There's a bunch of those from Kompozer to Htmly, and Sea Monky's Composer System , to Raptor probably lots of others such as Ubruco(however that's spelled) and Sympyany wich at one time was used by some big names such as Wired., It might not be your taste though. On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote: Have you started building the site generator? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Have you started building the site generator? Not yet, and not sure I'll do my own. It was just that the webgl mooc experience lead me to understand sorta how they work so I thought I'd see how well the existing ones work. I have decided to narrow it down to node+javascript, of which there are plenty. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Yes. It's called that because you do an initial setup which establishes the basic layout of the site. Then when you add content, Markdown files generally, you run a CLI tool that generates your basic HTML/CSS/Javascript site. It is only "static" in that there is no code on the server that is run, no databases, php, etc. Just plain HTML/CSS/Javascript. This makes them *very* fast, but more important, simple enough that you use the tools you used as a developer: node, javascript, canvas/webgl, and so on. There are no mysteries. You know what is happening, and how. All the "dynanics" is done off-line and the user of the site suffers no silly delays caused by php/sql/etc. And they can be far more dynamic than you'd think. Comments are possible. AJAX allows "dynamic" access to content. But still no more than an HTTP server needed. And you can run it anywhere: Dropbox, Amazon S3, GitHub Pages and many more that simply provide HTTP access to your data. I like the cultural aspect as well: when things get too complicated, they implode under their own weight. I believe this is happening with websites & CMSs. Folks are sick of the complexity of WordPress and they realize that they really don't need 80% of their far-too-many features. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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YES, Well good ol'fation HTML with CSS has worked since the lasted from 70s to present. With Linx. I haven't a clue if it's a over complicated thing or just right tool for the job thing, it might be a little of both. Sufficed to say they they're strength is making a a few pages with a template. The challenge the ones i know of run into is folder management. Updating them is sometimes a slight issue, Ever mis place a file?, or lots of them? Suffice to say say that's something that Wordpress tries to avoid by encouraging you to upload your stuff, make a draft, a copy, then update but it's all a matter of taste ^_^ On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:39:14AM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> YES, Well good ol'fation HTML with CSS has worked since the lasted from 70s > to present. > With Linx. Wow - you were WAY ahead of your time! Given that HTML and the web wasn't invented until about 1990, and Linus started writing his kernel about the same time. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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And thread topic Integrity Field Deterioration initiated. According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser Text based web browsers were around in some form since the 80's, (for example) and most importantly it was a razzing but I suspect you know that. ^_^ or hope you do. I'm rarely ahead of my time. I have however been noted to be ahead of my garlic. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:39:14AM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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I have no idea how they formatted it; and I suspect the graphics were like ANSI. But I was using this monstrosity in the early '80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel I experienced my first virtual crush on a chatter named Anastasia... at that age, the name, itself was enough. 8^) Prior to that it was all BBSes, with their various underlying formatting tools. It all came flooding back when I stumbled across http://telehack.com/ On 10/13/2015 04:18 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > And thread topic Integrity Field Deterioration initiated. > > According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser > > Text based web browsers were around in some form since the 80's, (for > example) -- ⇔ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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