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[Marcus G. Daniels]

I liked this quote:

 

“In 1989, he declined joining the Mosaic browser team with his preference for knowledge/wisdom creation over distributing information ... a problem he says is still not solved by today's internet.”

 

I remember seeing Mosaic and HTML and thinking exactly the same thing back then.

So much wasted energy making pretty pages…

 

Marcus

 

 

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And thread topic Integrity Field  Deterioration initiated.

 

According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser 

 

Text based web browsers  were around in some form since the 80's, (for example)

 

 

 and most importantly  it was a razzing but I suspect you know that. ^_^ or hope you do.

 

 

I'm rarely ahead of my time. I have however been noted to be ahead of my garlic.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:39:14AM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> YES, Well good ol'fation HTML with CSS has worked since the lasted from 70s
> to present.
> With Linx.

Wow - you were WAY ahead of your time! Given that HTML and the web
wasn't invented until about 1990, and Linus started writing his kernel
about the same time.



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On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:18:09PM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> And thread topic Integrity Field  Deterioration initiated.
>
> According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser
>
> Text based web browsers  were around in some form since the 80's, (for
> example)

Not web browsers, as the web didn't exist, but hypertext browsers,
sure. Actually, I was impressed that hypertext BBS browsers exited
back then - I don't remember anything of the sort from the '80s, but
then I really didn't inhabit the BBS scene. It was all ftp and archie
(the '80s equivalent of google) and usenet (the '80s equivalent of
facebook) then.

The first thing that 'might' be called a web browser would be gopher,
but even that was more or less contemporaneous with the first http servers.


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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Here is the first HTML page I ever created in 1992(?).

http://www.Phil.CMU.edu/~wimberly/

View source.  It may also be the last.  I changed the photo and added to the publications list.  I added the applet in about 1996.  I am surprised it still renders.

Frank

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On Oct 13, 2015 6:21 PM, "Russell Standish" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:18:09PM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> And thread topic Integrity Field  Deterioration initiated.
>
> According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser
>
> Text based web browsers  were around in some form since the 80's, (for
> example)

Not web browsers, as the web didn't exist, but hypertext browsers,
sure. Actually, I was impressed that hypertext BBS browsers exited
back then - I don't remember anything of the sort from the '80s, but
then I really didn't inhabit the BBS scene. It was all ftp and archie
(the '80s equivalent of google) and usenet (the '80s equivalent of
facebook) then.

The first thing that 'might' be called a web browser would be gopher,
but even that was more or less contemporaneous with the first http servers.


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[Steve Smith]

Awesome Frank!

Mine was a PERL script that served up Gopher File Trees as HTML via HTTP when the only graphical browser was on the NeXT.  You should have heard the screams when after a couple of years,  we quit serving up the old Gopher trees, there was no new content there to speak of, but there were folks who insisted we should stick to a strict list-hierarchy format with no formatting and no graphics.  

Here is the first HTML page I ever created in 1992(?).

http://www.Phil.CMU.edu/~wimberly/

View source.  It may also be the last.  I changed the photo and added to the publications list.  I added the applet in about 1996.  I am surprised it still renders.

Frank

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On Oct 13, 2015 6:21 PM, "Russell Standish" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:18:09PM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> And thread topic Integrity Field  Deterioration initiated.
>
> According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser
>
> Text based web browsers  were around in some form since the 80's, (for
> example)

Not web browsers, as the web didn't exist, but hypertext browsers,
sure. Actually, I was impressed that hypertext BBS browsers exited
back then - I don't remember anything of the sort from the '80s, but
then I really didn't inhabit the BBS scene. It was all ftp and archie
(the '80s equivalent of google) and usenet (the '80s equivalent of
facebook) then.

The first thing that 'might' be called a web browser would be gopher,
but even that was more or less contemporaneous with the first http servers.


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Our web-site was done with LaTeX - http://idart.sandia.gov/

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On Oct 11, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Russell Standish wrote:

It's odd. I've been building websites in LaTeX for more than 20 years
now. Much of what passes for modern (eg markdown, CMSes, FrontPage and so on)
just seem to be reinvented wheels, poorly implemented.

Having chosen my horse, and invested heavily in it, LaTeX just keeps
delivering. Such as producing full colour overhead transparencies
years before Power Point became available. Such as the afore mentioned
website generation. And of course, it excels in what it was originally
designed for, producing beautiful books.

Anyway, I'm sure its not everybody's cup of tea.

Cheers

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 08:15:57PM -0500, Gary Schiltz wrote:

Do websites in LaTeX? Wow!

(with my apologies, and my thickest, faux-Aussie Paul Hogan accent)

“Geek??? Now, *that’s* a geek!"

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote:

Probably not what you want, but I author all my websites in LaTeX, and

use a combination of LaTeX2HTML and Makefiles to publish the site. I

use subversion or git to do content management. You could also use

latexml, which provides a slightly more modern output, but I like

LaTex2HTML because its basically a bunch of perl scripts that are

eminenently hackable.

Great for static websites, with all the added goodness of LaTeX (which

is a superior markup language for most purposes than Markdown).

Its also fairly easy to embed PHP and Javascript code directly into

the LaTeX source files too, so dynamic websites are also possible, but

with LaTeX macros, and perl scriptability, a lot can be done statically.

Cheers

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 04:16:47PM -0600, Robert Wall wrote:

Hi Owen, et al.,

You might also try this nearly-free ($17)

<https://sites.fastspring.com/openwe/instant/kirby2-personal>,

well-supported <http://getkirby.com/support>, database-free CMS

<http://web.appstorm.net/reviews/web-dev/kirby-the-flat-file-cms-thatll-make-you-rethink-content-management/>

called Kirby <http://getkirby.com/>.  It is file-based and very easy to

implement just about anything you want to do on an individual personal

website. You can also experiment locally with Kirby (without a host) on

MAMP, XAMPP and PHP's built-in server for local installations.

Cheers,

Robert Wall

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Are any of us using a static site generator? Here's a list:

   https://www.staticgen.com/

Basically it gets rid of the need for a Content Management System,

compiling the site from Markdown and html templates.

I'm thinking of doing this, my old ISP died and it would be a good time

for a change.

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[Russell Standish-2]

Interesting. Obviously you didn't use latex2html for this. Did you use
latexml?

I've used latexml as part of a kindle conversion process that goes via
epub.

Cheers

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> Our web-site was done with LaTeX - http://idart.sandia.gov/
>
> Ray Parks
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[Marcus G. Daniels]

If you like LaTeX  (I can't imagine), you shouldn't stand for converting to HTML!

http://manuels.github.io/texlive.js/

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Interesting. Obviously you didn't use latex2html for this. Did you use latexml?

I've used latexml as part of a kindle conversion process that goes via epub.

Cheers

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:04:13AM +0000, Parks, Raymond wrote:
> Our web-site was done with LaTeX - http://idart.sandia.gov/
>
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[Barry MacKichan]

Interesting, but why not build the site in PDF (possibly with alternative versions for desktops and mobiles)?

Also, it didn’t work for me:

kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 72 --mag 1+0/72 --dpi 72 cmr6
(see the transcript file for additional information)
kpathsea: pipe(): Function not implemented
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.)

—Barry

On 19 Oct 2015, at 19:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:

If you like LaTeX (I can't imagine), you shouldn't stand for converting to HTML!

http://manuels.github.io/texlive.js/

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Interesting. Obviously you didn't use latex2html for this. Did you use latexml?

I've used latexml as part of a kindle conversion process that goes via epub.

Cheers

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Our web-site was done with LaTeX - http://idart.sandia.gov/

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

I was thinking use a lower-level interface to the screen bitmap in the browser such that it would render directly. 

In other words, don’t convert, make LaTeX a first-class MIME Content-Type.

 

This was a nice design.  A statically typed version would have been even better.

XSL was the right idea, but a strange execution.  Should have just used a functional programming language, like this.

Building a good set of multi-target (page) flow objects is an enormous job, like making a PDF implementation or a XML/HTML browser engine.

 

One could always wrap LaTeX in a statically typed language to make it better behaved, e.g. HaTeX.  Which is about how I feel about LaTeX.  J

 

Marcus

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Interesting, but why not build the site in PDF (possibly with alternative versions for desktops and mobiles)?

Also, it didn’t work for me:

kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 72 --mag 1+0/72 --dpi 72 cmr6

(see the transcript file for additional information)

kpathsea: pipe(): Function not implemented

kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.)

—Barry

On 19 Oct 2015, at 19:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:

If you like LaTeX (I can't imagine), you shouldn't stand for converting to HTML!

http://manuels.github.io/texlive.js/

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Interesting. Obviously you didn't use latex2html for this. Did you use latexml?

I've used latexml as part of a kindle conversion process that goes via epub.

Cheers

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Our web-site was done with LaTeX - http://idart.sandia.gov/

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[Barry MacKichan]

FYI, Jonathan Kew, the author of XeTeX, wrote an iPhone version of TeX (or probably XeTeX). When you turned the phone on its side, it ran TeX again with the new margins. I don’t think the app was ever released, but it is as close as I’ve heard about to a tex MIME viewer. He did the work for http://rivervalleytechnologies.com.

—Barry

On 20 Oct 2015, at 10:32, Marcus Daniels wrote:

I was thinking use a lower-level interface to the screen bitmap in the browser such that it would render directly.
In other words, don’t convert, make LaTeX a first-class MIME Content-Type.

Thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Style_Semantics_and_Specification_Language was a nice design. A statically typed version would have been even better.
XSL was the right idea, but a strange execution. Should have just used a functional programming language, like thishttp://hackage.haskell.org/package/HaXml.
Building a good set of multi-target (page) flow objects is an enormous job, like making a PDF implementation or a XML/HTML browser engine.

One could always wrap LaTeX in a statically typed language to make it better behaved, e.g. HaTeX<hackage.haskell.org/package/HaTeX>. Which is about how I feel about LaTeX. ☺

Marcus
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Interesting, but why not build the site in PDF (possibly with alternative versions for desktops and mobiles)?

Also, it didn’t work for me:

kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 72 --mag 1+0/72 --dpi 72 cmr6

(see the transcript file for additional information)

kpathsea: pipe(): Function not implemented

kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.)

—Barry

On 19 Oct 2015, at 19:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:

If you like LaTeX (I can't imagine), you shouldn't stand for converting to HTML!

http://manuels.github.io/texlive.js/

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Interesting. Obviously you didn't use latex2html for this. Did you use latexml?

I've used latexml as part of a kindle conversion process that goes via epub.

Cheers

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Our web-site was done with LaTeX - http://idart.sandia.gov/

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On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:21:39AM -0600, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> Interesting, but why not build the site in PDF (possibly with
> alternative versions for desktops and mobiles)?
>

For the simple practical reason that PDF viewers suck on all but the
most powerful workstations. Perhaps in about 5 years when Moore's law
has had a chance to catch up.

Also, crucially, you need hyperlinks to work, which they don't in any
of the PDF viewers I've used.

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