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Douglas Roberts-2
As in this is the best thing since...

I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a superior product to VMWare Workstation:

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community

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Re: Sliced bread

Nick Frost
On Sep 2, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> As in this is the best thing since...
>
> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a  
> superior product to VMWare Workstation:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community

Doug;

Thanks for that link...rather fascinating. I've used both VMware  
workstation for Linux, Fusion for OS X, and Parallels.  Currently  
hosting 3 VM's (32-bit, 64-bit Ubuntu and Windows XP) under VMWare  
Fusion (OS X).  I'll give Virtual Box a try.

Has anyone tried the Solaris version for running VM's on a Solaris box?

-Nick




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Re: Sliced bread

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On Sep 2, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> As in this is the best thing since...
>
> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a  
> superior
> product to VMWare Workstation:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community
>
> --Doug

Hi Doug, thanks for the pointer.

Generally virtualization runs into difficulties with the network ..  
both wireless and wired, and with peripherals (printers etc).

Any difficulties in that world?

Actually, on of the more interesting virtualization stunts is Amazon  
EC2 and similar "cloud" computing stunts.  Just pour any OS into a  
container and the sophisticated server back ends manage to run them  
just fine.  Way cool!

    -- Owen


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Douglas Roberts wrote:
> As in this is the best thing since...
>
> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a
> superior product to VMWare Workstation:
VMWare has the advantage of running 64 bit clients.  Also VMware can
replay code e.g. trace and replay debugging...


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Douglas Roberts-2
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Hi, Owen.

VirtualBox works "out of the box" (wired or wireless) with NAT networking enabled.  You can also set up a bridge between the host & the guest if you need a fixed IP address to your guest.  Haven't found any peripherals yet that don't work.

Re: Marcus' observation that VMWare supports 64 bit guest OS's:  true.  But, VMWare is slower than dog poo on a Linux host when using shared folders to a Windows guest.. VirtualBox is fast.

At the moment, I got a virtual Windows XP guest & a virtual Kubunto 8.04 guest cooking away on my Linux host, and I have not found anything that does not work on the guests.

--Doug

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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sep 2, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> As in this is the best thing since...
>
> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a
> superior
> product to VMWare Workstation:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community
>
> --Doug

Hi Doug, thanks for the pointer.

Generally virtualization runs into difficulties with the network ..
both wireless and wired, and with peripherals (printers etc).

Any difficulties in that world?

Actually, on of the more interesting virtualization stunts is Amazon
EC2 and similar "cloud" computing stunts.  Just pour any OS into a
container and the sophisticated server back ends manage to run them
just fine.  Way cool!

   -- Owen


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Douglas Roberts-2
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VirtualBox 2.0 was released today, and now has 64-bit guest OS support:

http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-09/sunflash.20080904.1.xml

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
Douglas Roberts wrote:
> As in this is the best thing since...
>
> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a
> superior product to VMWare Workstation:
VMWare has the advantage of running 64 bit clients.  Also VMware can
replay code e.g. trace and replay debugging...


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Marcus G. Daniels
Douglas Roberts wrote:
> VirtualBox 2.0 was released today, and now has 64-bit guest OS support:
>
> http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-09/sunflash.20080904.1.xml
In honor of the occasion, I must build it from source!  :-)

Marcus

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Douglas Roberts-2
I know the feeling.  BTW, As others have reported this morning, VirtualBox 2.0 does not allow you to build a (K)Ubuntu 64 bit OS.  Not *quite* ready for prime time yet.

I confirmed that the Kubuntu installer only detects an i586 processor when trying to install from th eis file (kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso).

--Doug

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Marcus G. Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
Douglas Roberts wrote:
> VirtualBox 2.0 was released today, and now has 64-bit guest OS support:
>
> http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-09/sunflash.20080904.1.xml
In honor of the occasion, I must build it from source!  :-)

Marcus

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Nick Frost
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Marcus G. Daniels wrote:

> Douglas Roberts wrote:
>  
>> As in this is the best thing since...
>>
>> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a
>> superior product to VMWare Workstation:
>>    
> VMWare has the advantage of running 64 bit clients.  Also VMware can
> replay code e.g. trace and replay debugging...
>  
Agreed.  And VMWare Workstation does background snapshots, and
screenshots, movies, etc.

My experience testing VirtualBox was quite different.  Installed on a
Dell D820 Core 2 Duo running 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), VirtualBox
didn't do very well running a stripped-down version of Windows XP...the
window positioning, input capture (mouse, keyboard), and full screen
transitions were buggy.  I abandoned VirtualBox for a 64-bit version of
VMWare Workstation for Linux version 6.0.5 build-109488 which works
smoothly.

I like the VirtualBox concept though, particularly it's multi-platform
nature...it would be *very* nice to have a hypervisor for Solaris x86.  
At some point if I ever have the time, I'll test the Solaris version.

-Nick


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Douglas Roberts-2
If I were VMWare, I'd be worried.  Now there's xVM Server.

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/12/1358231

The Sun products might not currently be be a mature as VMWare, but it looks like Sun has put some horsepower behind their development.

--Doug

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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Nick Frost <[hidden email]> wrote:
Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> As in this is the best thing since...
>>
>> I've been testing it extensively, and find it to be hands-down a
>> superior product to VMWare Workstation:
>>
> VMWare has the advantage of running 64 bit clients.  Also VMware can
> replay code e.g. trace and replay debugging...
>
Agreed.  And VMWare Workstation does background snapshots, and
screenshots, movies, etc.

My experience testing VirtualBox was quite different.  Installed on a
Dell D820 Core 2 Duo running 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), VirtualBox
didn't do very well running a stripped-down version of Windows XP...the
window positioning, input capture (mouse, keyboard), and full screen
transitions were buggy.  I abandoned VirtualBox for a 64-bit version of
VMWare Workstation for Linux version 6.0.5 build-109488 which works
smoothly.

I like the VirtualBox concept though, particularly it's multi-platform
nature...it would be *very* nice to have a hypervisor for Solaris x86.
At some point if I ever have the time, I'll test the Solaris version.

-Nick


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