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Score one for state-wide mandates (?)

... from those liberal fascists in Utah! >8^D

Mask mandates can actually spur the economy – depending on who enforces it, study says
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247560430.html

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3736407
> We highlight the importance of signaling effects in determining whether public policy should be implemented at a decentralized or centralized level. For example, although a public policy may have the same direct effect if enacted at a state or county level, people may perceive these policies differently, leading to different indirect effects. We explore this mechanism using the patchwork of mask mandate orders in the U.S. from April to September 2020. State-wide mask mandates stimulate economic activity while also reducing COVID-19 case growth. Surprisingly, county-level mask mandates generally have the opposite effect, depressing economic activity. We argue that different unintended signaling effects can explain these differences in policy effects: households infer from county mask mandates that infection risks have increased in their local area and, therefore, socially distance more and spend less. In contrast, state mask mandates do not lead to similar local inferences, and thus overall, they stimulate the economy.

And since it's Elsevier, there's a link to an AWS hosted copy of the paper in the Herald article.

p.s. Get well, Nick! Go to the doctor.

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Steve Smith

Re: Score one for state-wide mandates (?)

> p.s. Get well, Nick! Go to the doctor.
>
Nick -

I hope your symptoms were passing or mild and not at all related to the
Wicked Democrat Hoax Gaina Virus. Update us as you can/will.

My partner Mary just had 3 COVID poems published which put these times
in some perspective... maybe best read while in a fever dream so as to
imbibe more fully in the metaphorical imagery.

https://poetryandcovid.com/2020/12/02/three-poems-34/

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Prof David West

Re: Score one for state-wide mandates (?)

Steve,

get with the program. For those in the know it is the CCP virus.

davew

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote:

> > p.s. Get well, Nick! Go to the doctor.
> >
> Nick -
>
> I hope your symptoms were passing or mild and not at all related to the
> Wicked Democrat Hoax Gaina Virus. Update us as you can/will.
>
> My partner Mary just had 3 COVID poems published which put these times
> in some perspective... maybe best read while in a fever dream so as to
> imbibe more fully in the metaphorical imagery.
>
> https://poetryandcovid.com/2020/12/02/three-poems-34/
>
> - Steve
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thompnickson2

Re: Score one for state-wide mandates (?)

In reply to this post by Steve Smith

Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n

Nicholas Thompson
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Clark University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:06 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Score one for state-wide mandates (?)

> p.s. Get well, Nick! Go to the doctor.
>
Nick -

I hope your symptoms were passing or mild and not at all related to the Wicked Democrat Hoax Gaina Virus. Update us as you can/will.

My partner Mary just had 3 COVID poems published which put these times in some perspective... maybe best read while in a fever dream so as to imbibe more fully in the metaphorical imagery.

https://poetryandcovid.com/2020/12/02/three-poems-34/

- Steve

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Steve Smith

Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

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thompnickson2

Re: Nick's Recovery

Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson

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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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Steve Smith

Re: Nick's Recovery

Nick -

I don't know about this syndrome by name (Charles Bonnet), but am familiar with "sundowner's syndrome", having "walked two old men to their graves over a decade (each) with Alzheimer's" and observing their agitation (better and/or worse) as the quality of light shifts just before/after sundown. I am also acutely aware, myself, of the experience of twilight reducing visual acuity to the point that I am irritated and mildly confused because I think I *should* be able to distinguish various things (writing, diagrams, threaded fasteners, etc.) and I am unable to.

I have known people who had slow developing cataracts who felt a profound loss of cognitive ability from the creeping loss of vision which they didn't appreciate until they had cataract surgery and the majority of the loss (vison and by correlation their sense of cognitive inhibition?)

I am, for one, waiting with bated brethe to know if you are in fact suffering/recovering from something and whether you have reason to believe (up to and including testing) it to be the "evil COVID"! And again, by correlation, if there is anything anyone here can do to help (except maybe not write you long missives and expect you to read and respond?)

- Steve

On 12/7/20 3:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick's Recovery

Isn't it Charles Bonnet (BO-nay)?

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 4:40 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick -

I don't know about this syndrome by name (Charles Bonnet), but am familiar with "sundowner's syndrome", having "walked two old men to their graves over a decade (each) with Alzheimer's" and observing their agitation (better and/or worse) as the quality of light shifts just before/after sundown. I am also acutely aware, myself, of the experience of twilight reducing visual acuity to the point that I am irritated and mildly confused because I think I *should* be able to distinguish various things (writing, diagrams, threaded fasteners, etc.) and I am unable to.

I have known people who had slow developing cataracts who felt a profound loss of cognitive ability from the creeping loss of vision which they didn't appreciate until they had cataract surgery and the majority of the loss (vison and by correlation their sense of cognitive inhibition?)

I am, for one, waiting with bated brethe to know if you are in fact suffering/recovering from something and whether you have reason to believe (up to and including testing) it to be the "evil COVID"! And again, by correlation, if there is anything anyone here can do to help (except maybe not write you long missives and expect you to read and respond?)

- Steve

On 12/7/20 3:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick's Recovery

In reply to this post by thompnickson2

Yes, does that cause you to modify your belief that consciousness is a point of view?

Are you suffering from it? I am very sorry.

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505 670-9918
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 3:35 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Nick's Recovery

Come on, that’s even mean for me!

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 4:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

Yes, does that cause you to modify your belief that consciousness is a point of view?

Are you suffering from it? I am very sorry.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 3:35 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick's Recovery

Nick,

If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I am hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit.

Frank

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505 670-9918
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 6:44 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Come on, that’s even mean for me!

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 4:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

Yes, does that cause you to modify your belief that consciousness is a point of view?

Are you suffering from it? I am very sorry.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 3:35 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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thompnickson2

Re: Nick's Recovery

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Hi, marcus, frank. We’ll have to see . I never denied experiences, or course, only that they come in natural kinds. We have to learn which ones are phoney. Open your eyes and they are gone.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 7:43 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

Come on, that’s even mean for me!

Yes, does that cause you to modify your belief that consciousness is a point of view?

Are you suffering from it? I am very sorry.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 3:35 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

- s

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thompnickson2

Re: Nick's Recovery

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

I think it’s the hat. But could be wrong. If so, google hallucinations.

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

Isn't it Charles Bonnet (BO-nay)?

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 4:40 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nick -
I don't know about this syndrome by name (Charles Bonnet), but am familiar with "sundowner's syndrome", having "walked two old men to their graves over a decade (each) with Alzheimer's" and observing their agitation (better and/or worse) as the quality of light shifts just before/after sundown. I am also acutely aware, myself, of the experience of twilight reducing visual acuity to the point that I am irritated and mildly confused because I think I *should* be able to distinguish various things (writing, diagrams, threaded fasteners, etc.) and I am unable to.
I have known people who had slow developing cataracts who felt a profound loss of cognitive ability from the creeping loss of vision which they didn't appreciate until they had cataract surgery and the majority of the loss (vison and by correlation their sense of cognitive inhibition?)
I am, for one, waiting with bated brethe to know if you are in fact suffering/recovering from something and whether you have reason to believe (up to and including testing) it to be the "evil COVID"! And again, by correlation, if there is anything anyone here can do to help (except maybe not write you long missives and expect you to read and respond?)
[NST===>tx I would instantly ping this list if I got a symptom that seemed to confound the Dr. <===nst]
- Steve

On 12/7/20 3:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

- s

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: Nick's Recovery

But a lesser known cause is Charles Bonnet syndrome (pronounced bo-nay), named after the Swiss scientist who first described the condition in 1760

I'm not trying to be a PITA. Let me know.

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:48 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think it’s the hat. But could be wrong. If so, google hallucinations.

Nicholas Thompson
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[hidden email]
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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

Isn't it Charles Bonnet (BO-nay)?
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 4:40 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
Nick -
I don't know about this syndrome by name (Charles Bonnet), but am familiar with "sundowner's syndrome", having "walked two old men to their graves over a decade (each) with Alzheimer's" and observing their agitation (better and/or worse) as the quality of light shifts just before/after sundown. I am also acutely aware, myself, of the experience of twilight reducing visual acuity to the point that I am irritated and mildly confused because I think I *should* be able to distinguish various things (writing, diagrams, threaded fasteners, etc.) and I am unable to.
I have known people who had slow developing cataracts who felt a profound loss of cognitive ability from the creeping loss of vision which they didn't appreciate until they had cataract surgery and the majority of the loss (vison and by correlation their sense of cognitive inhibition?)
I am, for one, waiting with bated brethe to know if you are in fact suffering/recovering from something and whether you have reason to believe (up to and including testing) it to be the "evil COVID"! And again, by correlation, if there is anything anyone here can do to help (except maybe not write you long missives and expect you to read and respond?)
[NST===>tx I would instantly ping this list if I got a symptom that seemed to confound the Dr. <===nst]
- Steve

On 12/7/20 3:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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cody dooderson

Re: Nick's Recovery

Nick have you checked your oxygen?

Cody Smith

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:54 PM Frank Wimberly <[hidden email]> wrote:

But a lesser known cause is Charles Bonnet syndrome (pronounced bo-nay), named after the Swiss scientist who first described the condition in 1760

I'm not trying to be a PITA. Let me know.
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 9:48 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think it’s the hat. But could be wrong. If so, google hallucinations.

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

Isn't it Charles Bonnet (BO-nay)?
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 4:40 PM Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
Nick -
I don't know about this syndrome by name (Charles Bonnet), but am familiar with "sundowner's syndrome", having "walked two old men to their graves over a decade (each) with Alzheimer's" and observing their agitation (better and/or worse) as the quality of light shifts just before/after sundown. I am also acutely aware, myself, of the experience of twilight reducing visual acuity to the point that I am irritated and mildly confused because I think I *should* be able to distinguish various things (writing, diagrams, threaded fasteners, etc.) and I am unable to.
I have known people who had slow developing cataracts who felt a profound loss of cognitive ability from the creeping loss of vision which they didn't appreciate until they had cataract surgery and the majority of the loss (vison and by correlation their sense of cognitive inhibition?)
I am, for one, waiting with bated brethe to know if you are in fact suffering/recovering from something and whether you have reason to believe (up to and including testing) it to be the "evil COVID"! And again, by correlation, if there is anything anyone here can do to help (except maybe not write you long missives and expect you to read and respond?)
[NST===>tx I would instantly ping this list if I got a symptom that seemed to confound the Dr. <===nst]
- Steve

On 12/7/20 3:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
Do you know about Charles Barret syndrome [Quod Googlet}. It is caused by declining vision but can become dramatic when we spend a lot time in dimly lit rooms. Gives a new angle on what we mean by exerience

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 1:51 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

> Thanks, frank Perhaps feeling better today. The effect of the disease are increasingly psychological. I just don't uuant to talk to anybody.

n -

thanks for checking in with "proof of life". ..

know that we are all pulling/praying/meditating/hoping for you to have both a smooth recovery and perhaps some meaningful fever-dreams while you are at it.

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gepr

Re: Nick's Recovery

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect on possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree* that the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often *rightly* identify the habit as abusive.

On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I am hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit.

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uǝʃƃ ⊥ glen

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Nick's Recovery

I was kidding, of course.. believing the topic to be devoid of meaning, and so more absurd than abusive.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect on possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree* that the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often *rightly* identify the habit as abusive.

On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I am hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit.

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gepr

Re: Nick's Recovery

Nicely circular! You don't have to know/believe the meaning of your words, for those words to have meaning. I'm particularly fond of how abusers will say something abhorrent, then act all surprised when victims take offense. The abuser often takes the stance that they were simply joking and the snowflake should grow a thicker skin. I'm as guilty as the rest.

On 12/8/20 8:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

> I was kidding, of course.. believing the topic to be devoid of meaning, and so more absurd than abusive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:09 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery
>
> It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect on possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree* that the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often *rightly* identify the habit as abusive.
>
> On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I am hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit.

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Steve Smith

Re: Nick's Recovery

That sh*t really offends me and I wish you would cut it the h*ell out!
<whimper>

On 12/8/20 9:20 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:

> Nicely circular! You don't have to know/believe the meaning of your words, for those words to have meaning. I'm particularly fond of how abusers will say something abhorrent, then act all surprised when victims take offense. The abuser often takes the stance that they were simply joking and the snowflake should grow a thicker skin. I'm as guilty as the rest.
>
> On 12/8/20 8:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> I was kidding, of course.. believing the topic to be devoid of meaning, and so more absurd than abusive.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:09 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery
>>
>> It's important, even/especially for long-term partners, to reflect on possibly abusive habits. Even if the abused and the abuser *agree* that the habit isn't intentional abuse, an outsider will often *rightly* identify the habit as abusive.
>>
>> On 12/7/20 6:23 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>>> If you agree that was mean please accept my sincere apologies. I am hoping that you didn't find it so. Marcus hasn't been privy to the hundreds of frank, sometimes humorous, in-person exchanges between us over the last 15+ years and I meant it in that spirit.
>

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Nick's Recovery

What offends you? That I would point it is ridiculous (more so than offensive) to use the occasion of unease resulting from a viral infection to make a point about whether Consciousness exists? I just think it is sad that Frank and Nick can't resolve this, because they've apparently been working on it so long.

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:36 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Recovery

That sh*t really offends me and I wish you would cut it the h*ell out!
<whimper>

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