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Owen Densmore

SOPA URLs

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Forgive me if these have been sent earlier, I may have missed them.

Here are the two most written about actions against SOPA/PIPA. One is the Google petition, the other is the more direct Wikipedia "find your 3 congressmen/senators and contact them" (via zip code).

I generally find these an annoyance and ignore them, but I think this is important enough to some of us that you might go ahead and do them.

The first, Google, is trivial and fast. The second requires clicking through to your three congress folks' web sites and filling in the boilerplate there. I simply created a simple template and used it for all three.

-- Owen

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Russ Abbott

Re: SOPA URLs

Here's a good one: http://stopthewall.us/. Enter your phone number and zip code. They will call you back and connect you to the office of one of your Senators. A staffer will take your call and record your disapproval of SIPA/SOPA. Easy and quick. Better than email because politicians seem to pay more attention to telephone calls.

-- Russ Abbott
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Forgive me if these have been sent earlier, I may have missed them.

Here are the two most written about actions against SOPA/PIPA. One is the Google petition, the other is the more direct Wikipedia "find your 3 congressmen/senators and contact them" (via zip code).

I generally find these an annoyance and ignore them, but I think this is important enough to some of us that you might go ahead and do them.

The first, Google, is trivial and fast. The second requires clicking through to your three congress folks' web sites and filling in the boilerplate there. I simply created a simple template and used it for all three.

-- Owen

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Eric Charles

Re: SOPA URLs

Owen,
To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How can something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people are orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a "free marketplace of ideas" is inherently contradictory. Either it is an anarchy, or it is a marketplace. What am I missing?

Eric

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ben Lujan got back to me w/ a form letter.

I wonder if he'd really like to discuss:

- Off-shore server farms

- How to stop piracy but still be able to lend an e-book

- Non US servers => only can stop within the routers, VERY dangerous.

- Putting onus on ISPs is expensive and very difficult.

- Not clear piracy really is as large a loss as claimed.

- Much piracy occurs because media folks have not caught up yet.

Example of last one: I torrent old TV shows that are not otherwise available .. although Amazon is starting to catch up and a few of my torrents are now available as VOD & free for Prime members.

It is interesting to see his idea of net neutrality:

I have long supported the concept of net neutrality (to ensure unrestricted access to the internet without limitation from internet service providers), and while I believe we need to address the growing threat of online piracy by foreign entities; we must ensure that the internet remains a free marketplace of ideas, that individuals' freedoms are protected, and that fair and equal access is available to all.

Interesting way of putting it. I'd prefer the basic notion that the internet protocols are designed to be service independent, depending on only the endpoints to provide the services. Telcos hate this, and never believed internet could provide the low latency they need. Wrong!

Interesting to see how all this plays out.

-- Owen

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Congressman Ben Ray Lujan <NM03BLIMA@...>
Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:30 AM
Subject: Message from Congressman Ben Ray Lujan
To: owen@...

Dear Mr. Densmore,

Thank you for contacting my office in Washington, D.C. Discussing critical issues with my constituents is very important to me.

The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is designed to address the growing issue of online piracy. Online piracy has become a major problem in the digital age. Much of this piracy is conducted not by individual users, but by world-wide criminal cartels that are frequently involved in other illegal ventures. The money from such piracy not only helps to fund criminal enterprises, but also reduces U.S. jobs, exports, and the overall economic competitiveness of our country. The impact of this is felt not only by large corporations, but also by independent artists and musicians, including many New Mexicans, who find their intellectual property rights violated online. Further, counterfeit medication and contaminated drugs that are sold online endanger the health of Americans, particularly seniors.

Over the past few weeks, I have heard from many constituents who agree that piracy is an issue that must be addressed, yet have serious concerns with provisions in the bill. After listening to them and hearing further from those with expertise in this field, I have taken another hard look at the bill. I share many of the concerns that have arisen and have decided that I can no longer support this legislation in its current form. I have long supported the concept of net neutrality (to ensure unrestricted access to the internet without limitation from internet service providers), and while I believe we need to address the growing threat of online piracy by foreign entities; we must ensure that the internet remains a free marketplace of ideas, that individuals' freedoms are protected, and that fair and equal access is available to all.

Once again, thank you for expressing your opinion on this matter. Please feel free to contact any of my offices if I can assist you in any way. I am very interested in your opinions and your concerns. To find more information regarding current legislation, services I can offer, ways my office can be helpful to you, or to sign up for my e-newsletter to get regular updates from my office, please visit my website at: <a href="http://www.lujan.house.gov/" target="" style="text-decoration:none" onclick="window.open('http://www.lujan.house.gov/');return false;">www.lujan.house.gov.

Sincerely,
Rep. Ben Ray Luján
United States House of Representatives
NM-03
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Eric Charles

Professional Student and
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State University
Altoona, PA 16601

Nick Thompson

Re: SOPA URLs

Didja get the ms?

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ERIC P. CHARLES
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:11 AM
To: Owen Densmore
Cc: The; Group; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs

Ben Lujan got back to me w/ a form letter.

I wonder if he'd really like to discuss:

- Off-shore server farms

- How to stop piracy but still be able to lend an e-book

- Non US servers => only can stop within the routers, VERY dangerous.

- Putting onus on ISPs is expensive and very difficult.

- Not clear piracy really is as large a loss as claimed.

- Much piracy occurs because media folks have not caught up yet.

Example of last one: I torrent old TV shows that are not otherwise available .. although Amazon is starting to catch up and a few of my torrents are now available as VOD & free for Prime members.

It is interesting to see his idea of net neutrality:

I have long supported the concept of net neutrality (to ensure unrestricted access to the internet without limitation from internet service providers), and while I believe we need to address the growing threat of online piracy by foreign entities; we must ensure that the internet remains a free marketplace of ideas, that individuals' freedoms are protected, and that fair and equal access is available to all.

Interesting way of putting it. I'd prefer the basic notion that the internet protocols are designed to be service independent, depending on only the endpoints to provide the services. Telcos hate this, and never believed internet could provide the low latency they need. Wrong!

Interesting to see how all this plays out.

-- Owen

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Congressman Ben Ray Lujan <[hidden email]>
Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:30 AM
Subject: Message from Congressman Ben Ray Lujan
To: [hidden email]

Dear Mr. Densmore,

Thank you for contacting my office in Washington, D.C. Discussing critical issues with my constituents is very important to me.

The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is designed to address the growing issue of online piracy. Online piracy has become a major problem in the digital age. Much of this piracy is conducted not by individual users, but by world-wide criminal cartels that are frequently involved in other illegal ventures. The money from such piracy not only helps to fund criminal enterprises, but also reduces U.S. jobs, exports, and the overall economic competitiveness of our country. The impact of this is felt not only by large corporations, but also by independent artists and musicians, including many New Mexicans, who find their intellectual property rights violated online. Further, counterfeit medication and contaminated drugs that are sold online endanger the health of Americans, particularly seniors.

Over the past few weeks, I have heard from many constituents who agree that piracy is an issue that must be addressed, yet have serious concerns with provisions in the bill. After listening to them and hearing further from those with expertise in this field, I have taken another hard look at the bill. I share many of the concerns that have arisen and have decided that I can no longer support this legislation in its current form. I have long supported the concept of net neutrality (to ensure unrestricted access to the internet without limitation from internet service providers), and while I believe we need to address the growing threat of online piracy by foreign entities; we must ensure that the internet remains a free marketplace of ideas, that individuals' freedoms are protected, and that fair and equal access is available to all.

Once again, thank you for expressing your opinion on this matter. Please feel free to contact any of my offices if I can assist you in any way. I am very interested in your opinions and your concerns. To find more information regarding current legislation, services I can offer, ways my office can be helpful to you, or to sign up for my e-newsletter to get regular updates from my office, please visit my website at: www.lujan.house.gov.

Sincerely,

Rep. Ben Ray Luján
United States House of Representatives
NM-03

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Eric Charles

Professional Student and
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State University
Altoona, PA 16601

Greg Sonnenfeld

Re: SOPA URLs

Hello,

I had also called up our congressman about SOPA/PIPA and asked him to
support OPEN instead. Have the senators supporting the bills reversed?

My feeling is that when someone uses the term "free", "equality", ( in
engineering - "robust", "optimal", etc.) It must always be applied
with respects to something. I assume the congressman means "free" with
respects to "entry into the marketplace", essentially against rent
seeking, barriers to entry, etc.

I've always found this particularly annoying in political cases
applying "equality", where capitalist and communist systems apply it
to different parameters (opportunity vs. wealth distribution ).

****************************
Greg Sonnenfeld

“The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be
sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.”

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Nicholas Thompson
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Didja get the ms?
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of ERIC P. CHARLES
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:11 AM
> To: Owen Densmore
> Cc: The; Group; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] SOPA URLs
>
>
>
> Owen,
> To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How can
> something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people are
> orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a "free
> marketplace of ideas" is inherently contradictory. Either it is an anarchy,
> or it is a marketplace. What am I missing?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ben Lujan got back to me w/ a form letter.
>
>
>
> I wonder if he'd really like to discuss:
>
> - Off-shore server farms
>
> - How to stop piracy but still be able to lend an e-book
>
> - Non US servers => only can stop within the routers, VERY dangerous.
>
> - Putting onus on ISPs is expensive and very difficult.
>
> - Not clear piracy really is as large a loss as claimed.
>
> - Much piracy occurs because media folks have not caught up yet.
>
>
>
> Example of last one: I torrent old TV shows that are not otherwise available
> .. although Amazon is starting to catch up and a few of my torrents are now
> available as VOD & free for Prime members.
>
>
>
> It is interesting to see his idea of net neutrality:
>
> I have long supported the concept of net neutrality (to ensure unrestricted
> access to the internet without limitation from internet service providers),
> and while I believe we need to address the growing threat of online piracy
> by foreign entities; we must ensure that the internet remains a free
> marketplace of ideas, that individuals' freedoms are protected, and that
> fair and equal access is available to all.
>
>
>
> Interesting way of putting it. I'd prefer the basic notion that the
> internet protocols are designed to be service independent, depending on only
> the endpoints to provide the services. Telcos hate this, and never believed
> internet could provide the low latency they need. Wrong!
>
>
>
> Interesting to see how all this plays out.
>
>
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Congressman Ben Ray Lujan <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:30 AM
> Subject: Message from Congressman Ben Ray Lujan
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Dear Mr. Densmore,
>
> Thank you for contacting my office in Washington, D.C. Discussing critical
> issues with my constituents is very important to me.
>
> The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is designed to address the growing issue
> of online piracy. Online piracy has become a major problem in the digital
> age. Much of this piracy is conducted not by individual users, but by
> world-wide criminal cartels that are frequently involved in other illegal
> ventures. The money from such piracy not only helps to fund criminal
> enterprises, but also reduces U.S. jobs, exports, and the overall economic
> competitiveness of our country. The impact of this is felt not only by large
> corporations, but also by independent artists and musicians, including many
> New Mexicans, who find their intellectual property rights violated online.
> Further, counterfeit medication and contaminated drugs that are sold online
> endanger the health of Americans, particularly seniors.
>
> Over the past few weeks, I have heard from many constituents who agree that
> piracy is an issue that must be addressed, yet have serious concerns with
> provisions in the bill. After listening to them and hearing further from
> those with expertise in this field, I have taken another hard look at the
> bill. I share many of the concerns that have arisen and have decided that I
> can no longer support this legislation in its current form. I have long
> supported the concept of net neutrality (to ensure unrestricted access to
> the internet without limitation from internet service providers), and while
> I believe we need to address the growing threat of online piracy by foreign
> entities; we must ensure that the internet remains a free marketplace of
> ideas, that individuals' freedoms are protected, and that fair and equal
> access is available to all.
>
> Once again, thank you for expressing your opinion on this matter. Please
> feel free to contact any of my offices if I can assist you in any way. I am
> very interested in your opinions and your concerns. To find more information
> regarding current legislation, services I can offer, ways my office can be
> helpful to you, or to sign up for my e-newsletter to get regular updates
> from my office, please visit my website at: www.lujan.house.gov.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rep. Ben Ray Luján
> United States House of Representatives
> NM-03
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ============================================================
>
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
> Eric Charles
>
> Professional Student and
> Assistant Professor of Psychology
> Penn State University
> Altoona, PA 16601
>
>
> ============================================================
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Arlo Barnes

Re: SOPA URLs

Dear All:

To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How can something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people are orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a "free marketplace of ideas" is inherently contradictory. Either it is an anarchy, or it is a marketplace. What am I missing?
My feeling is that when someone uses the term "free", "equality", ( in engineering - "robust", "optimal", etc.) It must always be applied with respects to something. I assume the congressman means "free" with respects to "entry into the marketplace", essentially against rent seeking, barriers to entry, etc. I've always found this particularly annoying in political cases applying "equality", where capitalist and communist systems apply it to different parameters (opportunity vs. wealth distribution ).

Also, the Internet is an anarchy if sorts (there is no overall government besides technological necessity, only localised governments [site administration] and citizen action [wikis, comments, and so on]), and a marketplace in that ideas (including any content, any media) compete via appeal and/or quality for attention/consumption, just as businesses in a market, free (in the 'enterprise' sense) or otherwise, compete with prices for customers.

Sincerely,

Arlo James Barnes

Owen Densmore

Re: SOPA URLs

Administrator

In reply to this post by Eric Charles

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:10 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES <[hidden email]> wrote:

Owen,
To shift slightly... Aren't there conflicting metaphors here? How can something be free, and yet be a marketplace? In marketplaces people are orderly, follow the rules, pay for things, etc. The idea of a "free marketplace of ideas" is inherently contradictory. Either it is an anarchy, or it is a marketplace. What am I missing?

Eric

Well, possibly "Free as in Beer" and "Free as in Speech" applies here.

My really naive view is that I want to keep the internet protocols neutral in the sense that the internet simply delivers packets from one end to another, with no intervention other than routing in between. That was the initial design, no application based knowledge within the end-to-end delivery.

Initially this was an issue of keeping the internet very clean and indeed has allowed maximal evolution. Just think how hard it would be to create new applications if the internet itself had to change for each one!

The closest we get to application specific knowledge is with the port numbers which are preserved for particular apps. But even these can easily use other port numbers such as when we want SMTP to be secure .. we use a different port number for SSH encoded mail packets.

So I think of the market place as being the endpoints not the transport.

Thus my thoughts on "Free as in Markets" is simply service between consenting applications on the endpoints of the internet.

-- Owen

Owen Densmore

Re: SOPA URLs

Administrator

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

Now here is Tom Udall's response:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Senator Tom Udall <[hidden email]>
Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Subject: Thank you for contacting me
To: [hidden email]

January 26, 2012

Dear Mr. Densmore,

Thank you for contacting me regarding S. 968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011, or the "PROTECT IP Act of 2011." I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

The PROTECT IP Act is intended to slow or eliminate "rogue" websites dedicated to copyright infringement and would allow the Attorney General to seek an injunction from a federal court against foreign websites that engage in, enable, or facilitate infringement. I have cosponsored this legislation as copyright infringement costs New Mexicans jobs and financial loss. The motion picture and television industry is responsible for over 4,000 direct jobs and $146.8 million in wages in New Mexico alone, and copyright infringement takes money and jobs away from citizens and businesses in the state.

However, it has become clear that there are significant issues that need to be addressed with PROTECT IP before the Senate considers the legislation. As you may know, prior to the Senate's adjournment last year, Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid scheduled a vote on PROTECT IP for January 24, 2011. On January 20th, Senator Reid announced that this vote would be postponed indefinitely. I am pleased with this decision and am hopeful that additional time will help yield a compromise that helps crack down on copyright infringement, protects the jobs and wages of many New Mexicans, while also keeping the Internet open and secure.

Senator Patrick Leahy (VT) introduced S. 968 on May 12, 2011. After introduction the legislation was referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary where it was approved unanimously on July 22, 2011. As you may also be aware, Representative Lamar Smith (TX) introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives on October 26, 2011. His bill, H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), is much broader in scope than the PROTECT IP Act, and many of the criticisms of both pieces of legislation surround misinformation related to SOPA. A markup was held on this bill in the House Judiciary Committee on December 16, 2011, but on January 20, 2011, Congressman Smith announced that further action on SOPA was also postponed indefinitely.

Please be assured I will continue to closely monitor action around PROTECT IP and SOPA. Online piracy is a serious issue with a real world impact on New Mexican businesses and jobs. Additionally, a free and open Internet also must be protected. We must strike a balance on this issue that allows innovation on the web to go unhindered and entrepreneurial ideas to flourish, without counterfeit products and illegally obtained materials hurting American companies and their employees.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts with me. Please feel free to contact me with your concerns regarding any federal issue by visiting my website at www.tomudall.senate.gov. For more information, you may also visit my Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Senator-Tom-Udall/106433512869 and receive up to the minute updates through my Twitter page at http://twitter.com/senatortomudall.

Very truly yours,
Signature
Tom Udall
United States Senator