Obama, Proposition 8
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In response to Phil Henshaw, briefly, I believe there still remains a place for civil marriage -- that marriage has taken on a non-religious place in most people's hearts, sort of like Christmas trees and Christmas carols. It speaks of love, devotion, fidelity between two consenting adults, and should be something any two adults can partake in civilly. Love between two people should be able to celebrate and exist under a civil union, legally undertaken. ... and that union, historically, is called marriage.
and I think gay male couples can also sort of choose the husband / wife roles to some degree -- though hopefully all couples, gay or straight, are beginning to edge into a shared mixture of both -- so does that mean that a straight couple who don't want to assume husband and wife roles are not able to be married -- maybe not under Webster .. So .. I have argued myself towards your position, rather than mine!! A new definition may be called for here. Peggy ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I think that’s actually very consistent with what I *intended*
to say anyway. ;-) I think most married people I know thought the legally unbinding
(formal spiritual) marriage was the real one, and I was just saying people
should have the choice of what they think is the real symbol of their commitment,
so long as they know if they want legal rights, obligations and recognitions
from the government they need to pay $25 and sign a form too. Phil Henshaw From:
[hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of peggy
miller In response to Phil Henshaw, briefly, I believe there still
remains a place for civil marriage -- that marriage has taken on a
non-religious place in most people's hearts, sort of like Christmas trees and
Christmas carols. It speaks of love, devotion, fidelity between two consenting
adults, and should be something any two adults can partake in civilly. Love
between two people should be able to celebrate and exist under a civil union,
legally undertaken. ... and that union, historically, is called marriage. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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In reply to this post by HighlandWindsLLC Miller
Perhaps I can lend a little bit of perspective here.
I was married in the Philippines; despite the rather extensive influence of the
Catholic Church there, marriage consists of two separate and unrelated
ceremonies. First there is what is called a "civil ceremony," generally
done before a judge, mayor or similar official. After this, if you so
choose, you can then get married in a church; ironically, there is no marriage
license requirement because you must have first completed the civil
ceremony.
In other words, the legal and religious components are
completely separate. Once the civil ceremony is complete, the state has no
further interest: get marrried in the church of your choice, or
not.
As others have mentioned, this seems to get to the actual
root of our problem in this country: there is an unfortunate overlap between the
civil and religious definitions of marriage.
cjf Christopher J.
Feola President nextPression,
Inc. www.nextPression.com From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of peggy miller Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:51 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] Obama, Proposition 8 and I think gay male couples can also sort of choose the husband / wife roles to some degree -- though hopefully all couples, gay or straight, are beginning to edge into a shared mixture of both -- so does that mean that a straight couple who don't want to assume husband and wife roles are not able to be married -- maybe not under Webster .. So .. I have argued myself towards your position, rather than mine!! A new definition may be called for here. Peggy No virus found in this incoming message. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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