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Spot on, it's all so crystal clear to me now.

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Irony?

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Spot on, it's all so crystal clear to me now.

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Pieter Steenekamp

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Yes, my "crystal clear" is irony.

The joke is on me, I'm trying to make fun of my own lack of understanding of the topic.

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Irony?

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My problem was that, in the dark of the night, it was starting to make sense to me.

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Yes, my "crystal clear" is irony.

The joke is on me, I'm trying to make fun of my own lack of understanding of the topic.

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Irony?
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jon zingale

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This article makes me think that I would enjoy a course in queer studies.
I am interested to see how tools developed there are utilized and how
such analyses can provide insight into questions of boundary, object,
and identity. I am not sure of many other fields of study where there
is such an explicit emphasis on developing a rich theory of mereology,
and it does not take too much imagination to see that creating such
generalized tools and techniques can be of value to complexity science.
Glen's Wikipedia reference to Barad's agential realism summarizes some
of what I am finding interesting and applicable to the philosophy of
science. There is a distinct deconstructional component to the writing.
I appreciate that the author's approach is not purely deconstruction for
its own sake, but part of a larger project of reconstruction. Discovery
versus construction appears, to me, a difference between science and
engineering. The article appears to offer more to the former. Maybe
amoeba's are altruists.

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Frank Wimberly-2

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such analyses can provide insight into questions of boundary, object,
and identity. I am not sure of many other fields of study where there
is such an explicit emphasis on developing a rich theory of mereology,

Psychoanalysis has much to say about boundary, object, and identity.

Frank

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This article makes me think that I would enjoy a course in queer studies.
I am interested to see how tools developed there are utilized and how
such analyses can provide insight into questions of boundary, object,
and identity. I am not sure of many other fields of study where there
is such an explicit emphasis on developing a rich theory of mereology,
and it does not take too much imagination to see that creating such
generalized tools and techniques can be of value to complexity science.
Glen's Wikipedia reference to Barad's agential realism summarizes some
of what I am finding interesting and applicable to the philosophy of
science. There is a distinct deconstructional component to the writing.
I appreciate that the author's approach is not purely deconstruction for
its own sake, but part of a larger project of reconstruction. Discovery
versus construction appears, to me, a difference between science and
engineering. The article appears to offer more to the former. Maybe
amoeba's are altruists.

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David Eric Smith

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Just had a very strange physiological experience.

Last evening when this came in, I read a few pages. Since it is all irony, snark, and preening, I assumed it is some flavor of post-modernism.

Spent 1-2mins reading the abstract that says it invokes Bohr, and violates (as nearly as one can tell) whatever Bohr actually thought. i.e., to shit on the modern as a declaration of disrespect toward it, which would be the one defining property of Pomo.

Then I tried to read the first paragraph of the wikipedia page Glen sent. Had this strange sense of dizziness and disintegration, which made me wonder if I had had some kind of localized stroke or siezure.

Stopped reading the wikipedia page, and it all vanished immediately.

This stuff really works!

Eric

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:45 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Though I can't parse Barad, herself, I do like agential realism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agential_realism
>
> And this criticism seems useful:
>
> Barad, Bohr, and quantum mechanics
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-021-03160-1
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Marcus G. Daniels

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Whether it is Shalizi's criticism of Wolfram or `deconstruction' of the scientific community, my reaction is that the universe doesn't give a damn how humans struggle in groups or individually to understand, and whether credit assignment is fair or not. How an insight was gained is what matters -- what was effectively the learning algorithm in use and the evidence at the time that led to the model -- not who happened to experience it or their preferred pronouns.

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Just had a very strange physiological experience.

Last evening when this came in, I read a few pages. Since it is all irony, snark, and preening, I assumed it is some flavor of post-modernism.

Spent 1-2mins reading the abstract that says it invokes Bohr, and violates (as nearly as one can tell) whatever Bohr actually thought. i.e., to shit on the modern as a declaration of disrespect toward it, which would be the one defining property of Pomo.

Then I tried to read the first paragraph of the wikipedia page Glen sent. Had this strange sense of dizziness and disintegration, which made me wonder if I had had some kind of localized stroke or siezure.

Stopped reading the wikipedia page, and it all vanished immediately.

This stuff really works!

Eric

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:45 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Though I can't parse Barad, herself, I do like agential realism:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agential_realism
>
> And this criticism seems useful:
>
> Barad, Bohr, and quantum mechanics
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-021-03160-1
>
> On 4/29/21 3:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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jon zingale

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"Psychoanalysis has much to say about boundary, object, and identity."

Admittedly, I am biased against psychoanalysis[♄] but if you would
kindly hum a few bars showing how you can see psychoanalytic methods
used to clarify ideas of boundary, object, and identity in the examples
brought up by Barad, well I am open to being swayed. What kinds of objects
does psychoanalysis produce? What are their qualities?

[♄] Following Deleuze and Guattari, I am critical in a few ways:
1. Descriptions of desire as a lack seem, well, lacking. Rooting
desire in a theatrical schema where an Oedipal tragedy unfolds before
the subject and outside of the control of the subject presents an agency
-free theory. I much prefer models of desire emphasizing the creativity
inherent in the _production_ of desire.

2. Freud (as the prototype of the psychoanalyst) misses the point of
little Hans' dream by projecting on the dream his own constellation of
archetypes and meanings rather than guiding Hans[!] through a proper
*discovery* as one might in Daseinsanalysis or Schizoanalysis. It is
another thing altogether to have the patient _construct_ their own
constellation, relations between the events and objects they produce.

3. Psychoanalysis appears to have, as its final goal, the outcome where
the patient resigns themselves to fixed relations within an Oedipal
trilogy, exchanging hope regarding all other possibilities in favor of
repeating the infinite Oedipal play. Psychoanalysis in this way appears
deeply committed to an eschatological worldview, death through
fixity all the way down.

4. Psychoanalysis appears to run into the same kinds of issues that
Barad's work attempts to address. To my mind, this is most clear in
the theories of Carl Jung or Joseph Campbell. There, in an effort to
arrive at archetypical universals we are handed a theory with no
obvious next step. What in those theories account for the possibility
or production of new archetypes?

[!] Even weirder in this case because Freud's interactions were not
even with Hans but with Hans' father.

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Frank Wimberly-2

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I can't force myself to read Barad. There is too much ambiguity in each word for me to cope.

Modern psychoanalysis, in particular object relations theory, goes way beyond Oedipal interpretations without discarding them. I recommend the Wikipedia article found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_relations_theory

Frank

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:11 PM jon zingale <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Psychoanalysis has much to say about boundary, object, and identity."

Admittedly, I am biased against psychoanalysis[♄] but if you would
kindly hum a few bars showing how you can see psychoanalytic methods
used to clarify ideas of boundary, object, and identity in the examples
brought up by Barad, well I am open to being swayed. What kinds of objects
does psychoanalysis produce? What are their qualities?

[♄] Following Deleuze and Guattari, I am critical in a few ways:
1. Descriptions of desire as a lack seem, well, lacking. Rooting
desire in a theatrical schema where an Oedipal tragedy unfolds before
the subject and outside of the control of the subject presents an agency
-free theory. I much prefer models of desire emphasizing the creativity
inherent in the _production_ of desire.

2. Freud (as the prototype of the psychoanalyst) misses the point of
little Hans' dream by projecting on the dream his own constellation of
archetypes and meanings rather than guiding Hans[!] through a proper
*discovery* as one might in Daseinsanalysis or Schizoanalysis. It is
another thing altogether to have the patient _construct_ their own
constellation, relations between the events and objects they produce.

3. Psychoanalysis appears to have, as its final goal, the outcome where
the patient resigns themselves to fixed relations within an Oedipal
trilogy, exchanging hope regarding all other possibilities in favor of
repeating the infinite Oedipal play. Psychoanalysis in this way appears
deeply committed to an eschatological worldview, death through
fixity all the way down.

4. Psychoanalysis appears to run into the same kinds of issues that
Barad's work attempts to address. To my mind, this is most clear in
the theories of Carl Jung or Joseph Campbell. There, in an effort to
arrive at archetypical universals we are handed a theory with no
obvious next step. What in those theories account for the possibility
or production of new archetypes?

[!] Even weirder in this case because Freud's interactions were not
even with Hans but with Hans' father.

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jon zingale

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Literacy is hard.

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Marcus G. Daniels

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Frank writes:

“There is too much ambiguity in each word for me to cope.”

Perhaps this is one thing – a sort of parallel stochastic optimization -- that humans and our massive neural nets should be good at?

Marcus

thompnickson2

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Ah, Marcus. I can see already that you are afflicted with duonormative thinking.

n

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Whether it is Shalizi's criticism of Wolfram or `deconstruction' of the scientific community, my reaction is that the universe doesn't give a damn how humans struggle in groups or individually to understand, and whether credit assignment is fair or not. How an insight was gained is what matters -- what was effectively the learning algorithm in use and the evidence at the time that led to the model -- not who happened to experience it or their preferred pronouns.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

Just had a very strange physiological experience.

Last evening when this came in, I read a few pages. Since it is all irony, snark, and preening, I assumed it is some flavor of post-modernism.

Spent 1-2mins reading the abstract that says it invokes Bohr, and violates (as nearly as one can tell) whatever Bohr actually thought. i.e., to shit on the modern as a declaration of disrespect toward it, which would be the one defining property of Pomo.

Then I tried to read the first paragraph of the wikipedia page Glen sent. Had this strange sense of dizziness and disintegration, which made me wonder if I had had some kind of localized stroke or siezure.

Stopped reading the wikipedia page, and it all vanished immediately.

This stuff really works!

Eric

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Jon,

How can we tell which comment you are being snarky about if you don't
include the thing you are responding to.

n

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Literacy is hard.

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jon zingale

Re: Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

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"""
How can we tell which comment you are being snarky about if you don't
include the thing you are responding to.
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For instance. Ah, coping.

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jon zingale

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Thanks, Glen, and it is general.

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Steve Smith

Re: Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

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Hiro (EricS) Protagonist -

Sounds to me like a preliminary to a Snow Crash?

- YT

On 4/29/21 1:51 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:

Just had a very strange physiological experience.

Last evening when this came in, I read a few pages.  Since it is all irony, snark, and preening, I assumed it is some flavor of post-modernism.

Spent 1-2mins reading the abstract that says it invokes Bohr, and violates (as nearly as one can tell) whatever Bohr actually thought.  i.e., to shit on the modern as a declaration of disrespect toward it, which would be the one defining property of Pomo.

Then I tried to read the first paragraph of the wikipedia page Glen sent.  Had this strange sense of dizziness and disintegration, which made me wonder if I had had some kind of localized stroke or siezure.

Stopped reading the wikipedia page, and it all vanished immediately.

This stuff really works!

Eric

On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:45 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ [hidden email] wrote:

Though I can't parse Barad, herself, I do like agential realism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agential_realism

And this criticism seems useful:

Barad, Bohr, and quantum mechanics
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-021-03160-1

On 4/29/21 3:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:


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