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Dear non-bloviators, Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out there? Nick Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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“There followed an eerie silence. Scientist strained at their earphones to ear, examined their screens for any anomalous squiggle. Finally, the director sighed, ‘I guess there is no life in outer space.’” From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Dear non-bloviators, Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out there? Nick Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Nick says: “There followed an eerie silence. Scientist strained at their earphones to ear, examined their screens for any anomalous squiggle. Finally, the director sighed, ‘I guess there is no life in outer space.’” That sounds like an interesting beginning or ending to a scifi novel. Is it, or did you just paraphrase something? Regardless, I'd like to read it. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 12:05 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Gary, I’m afraid I just made it up to satirize my own feeble attempt to energize the non-posters amongst us. Thanks for sticking with us all these years. Nick Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz Nick says: “There followed an eerie silence. Scientist strained at their earphones to ear, examined their screens for any anomalous squiggle. Finally, the director sighed, ‘I guess there is no life in outer space.’” That sounds like an interesting beginning or ending to a scifi novel. Is it, or did you just paraphrase something? Regardless, I'd like to read it. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 12:05 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. Why is this message in spam?It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. -- rec -- On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:31 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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The question I have is whether the similarity is mostly in the payload or mostly in the metadata. I welcome clues from any spam-gurus. I also think it depends on the extent to which your filter is crowdsourced, as well. It strikes me that GMail (and such) users have an economy of scale in recognizing spam that offline bayes filterers don't have.
It would be a fun, but maybe cruel prank to play on someone to get all your friends to mark all emails from some poor shlub as spam so that Google users worldwide began sending their emails to spam. On 1/27/21 5:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. > > > Why is this message in spam? > > It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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Roger is just saying we are boring and that he ignores our posts. gmail follows his preferences.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:20 PM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% The question I have is whether the similarity is mostly in the payload or mostly in the metadata. I welcome clues from any spam-gurus. I also think it depends on the extent to which your filter is crowdsourced, as well. It strikes me that GMail (and such) users have an economy of scale in recognizing spam that offline bayes filterers don't have. It would be a fun, but maybe cruel prank to play on someone to get all your friends to mark all emails from some poor shlub as spam so that Google users worldwide began sending their emails to spam. On 1/27/21 5:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. > > > Why is this message in spam? > > It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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I recently mentioned Joe Ramsey in a thread about music vs computing as brain training for the young. He is a concert level pianist and an excellent developer of software for scientific applications. He said he thought that discussion was interesting. He said, "I have to say that eventually you get to a point with either one where no matter how much tinkering you try to do you are unsatisfied, and you want to do it right. Or optimally. And then your tinkering becomes imbued with careful attention to technique. And then you may as well get a job, you're done for." Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 7:14 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote: Roger is just saying we are boring and that he ignores our posts. gmail follows his preferences. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Ha! Sounds about right.
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It's a bit funny. I can't remember who they are. But there are some rare posters whose posts go into GMail spam. It's as if GMail has a similar feature to Spamassassin's *ham* learner. Like the lurker who posts rarely is drowned out as spam because I've allowed the frequent posters to out-ham them. If that's the case, maybe Roger's filter is inverted and has noticed he simply doesn't like *repetitive* stuff. So where mine filters out the rare posters, his filters out the blowhards.
Or, maybe it's because Google has robots who read our emails and the posts they let through are actually a kind of marketing *upsell* technique. "Oh, I see you've failed to mark blatherings from Glen as spam. That means I'll present you with ads for blatherings from The Epoch Times." I'm thinking about switching to Mailo or Zoho for trash email addresses like my GMail ones. I don't think they read them but who knows? On 1/27/21 6:14 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Roger is just saying we are boring and that he ignores our posts. gmail follows his preferences. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:20 PM > To: FriAM <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% > > The question I have is whether the similarity is mostly in the payload or mostly in the metadata. I welcome clues from any spam-gurus. I also think it depends on the extent to which your filter is crowdsourced, as well. It strikes me that GMail (and such) users have an economy of scale in recognizing spam that offline bayes filterers don't have. > > It would be a fun, but maybe cruel prank to play on someone to get all your friends to mark all emails from some poor shlub as spam so that Google users worldwide began sending their emails to spam. > > On 1/27/21 5:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >> This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. >> >> >> Why is this message in spam? >> >> It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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Some readers want novelty -- they are channel flippers -- and others are looking for an activity or even a process. And then there is a range in between. I'd guess Roger and Nick on opposite ends of that spectrum. I'm a channel flipper until I see something that looks like an itch to scratch or something to puzzle over -- a good distraction.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:48 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% It's a bit funny. I can't remember who they are. But there are some rare posters whose posts go into GMail spam. It's as if GMail has a similar feature to Spamassassin's *ham* learner. Like the lurker who posts rarely is drowned out as spam because I've allowed the frequent posters to out-ham them. If that's the case, maybe Roger's filter is inverted and has noticed he simply doesn't like *repetitive* stuff. So where mine filters out the rare posters, his filters out the blowhards. Or, maybe it's because Google has robots who read our emails and the posts they let through are actually a kind of marketing *upsell* technique. "Oh, I see you've failed to mark blatherings from Glen as spam. That means I'll present you with ads for blatherings from The Epoch Times." I'm thinking about switching to Mailo or Zoho for trash email addresses like my GMail ones. I don't think they read them but who knows? On 1/27/21 6:14 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Roger is just saying we are boring and that he ignores our posts. gmail follows his preferences. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:20 PM > To: FriAM <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% > > The question I have is whether the similarity is mostly in the payload or mostly in the metadata. I welcome clues from any spam-gurus. I also think it depends on the extent to which your filter is crowdsourced, as well. It strikes me that GMail (and such) users have an economy of scale in recognizing spam that offline bayes filterers don't have. > > It would be a fun, but maybe cruel prank to play on someone to get all your friends to mark all emails from some poor shlub as spam so that Google users worldwide began sending their emails to spam. > > On 1/27/21 5:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >> This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. >> >> >> Why is this message in spam? >> >> It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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I don't let my spam filter automatically file my spam... I visually
scan the subjects and senders and depend on my peripheral vision to notice spam markers... if something is suspected spam but *isn't* I notice pretty close to real-time which means that there isn't a lot of negative reinforcement for false-positives. I also try to be thoughtful about what I mark as spam... I don't for example, call things I simply am not interested in as spam. Before I do a "delete spam" or "move marked to spam folder" I scan again, just on principle... I *very* rarely catch anything in that scan but you know "belt and suspenders".... I try to limit who I "subscribe" to and then whack-a-mole the allies that seem to spill over. ActBlue and/or ButtigeigForPrez and/or BernieIsSoCoolItHurts seem to have gleefully given my e-mail address to another half-dozen or so other campaigns (DitchMitch, MakeGeorgiaBlue, OMGtheRedStatesAreComing, etc.) who then flooded me. For a while they were a hydra it seemed... and I WAS tempted to overtrain my spam filter and send it direct to a folder or trash but got through it without doing that. Finally, after November I started unsubscribing from the campaigns I knew I'd opted into (even if by sly accident) and included an admonition that if THEY were the source of all the side-spam, they should rethink, because it ended up *inhibiting* my support for their cause(s)... though I am not sure that was very significant. On 1/28/21 9:48 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > It's a bit funny. I can't remember who they are. But there are some rare posters whose posts go into GMail spam. It's as if GMail has a similar feature to Spamassassin's *ham* learner. Like the lurker who posts rarely is drowned out as spam because I've allowed the frequent posters to out-ham them. If that's the case, maybe Roger's filter is inverted and has noticed he simply doesn't like *repetitive* stuff. So where mine filters out the rare posters, his filters out the blowhards. > > Or, maybe it's because Google has robots who read our emails and the posts they let through are actually a kind of marketing *upsell* technique. "Oh, I see you've failed to mark blatherings from Glen as spam. That means I'll present you with ads for blatherings from The Epoch Times." > > I'm thinking about switching to Mailo or Zoho for trash email addresses like my GMail ones. I don't think they read them but who knows? > > On 1/27/21 6:14 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Roger is just saying we are boring and that he ignores our posts. gmail follows his preferences. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:20 PM >> To: FriAM <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% >> >> The question I have is whether the similarity is mostly in the payload or mostly in the metadata. I welcome clues from any spam-gurus. I also think it depends on the extent to which your filter is crowdsourced, as well. It strikes me that GMail (and such) users have an economy of scale in recognizing spam that offline bayes filterers don't have. >> >> It would be a fun, but maybe cruel prank to play on someone to get all your friends to mark all emails from some poor shlub as spam so that Google users worldwide began sending their emails to spam. >> >> On 1/27/21 5:07 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >>> This whole thread went into my gmail spam folder. >>> >>> >>> Why is this message in spam? >>> >>> It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past. > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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This all reminds me of a point I *thought* Jon made about the death of the DJ. But now I can't find that post. A friend of mine insists he hates the radio. On the surface, it sounds like a typical complaint about being "constantly interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper". But I think it goes deeper ... into QAnon territory. Being *part* of the game, as opposed to a mere consumer of it, is an important part of social reality. Some of us spend more time in a state of transcendent calm, content to watch or ignore some process. Others tend to get in and stir things up, send out rhizomes. Some of us feel helpless when the dancing rabbits come on, our individualism shattered. Some of us revel in the absurdity of it. And some of us sing along because the jingle is an ear worm.
Scammers robocall me at least once per day. Inspired by the many scambaiters on youtube, I almost always press 1 to get my credit card rate lowered or to get that refund for the MacBook I didn't buy and have a long-ish conversation with them. After several attempts to get me to tell them my CC number [⛧], the "manager" yesterday finally told me to "fvck off". I'm like "You called me!?!" And he hung up. Ha! My time is even less precious than theirs. I can't help but wonder what his "employees" lives are like. Was the 1st guy on the call just as much a victim of his boss as I am? More? Or do they all live like Kings from the thousands of dollars they steal from the elderly? [⛧] We have this terrible noise problem on our landline that's not due to unfiltered DSL. Renee' wants me to get rid of it. I'm not motivated to because it helps me tease the scammers. "Is that noise on your end? Hang on, let me try something ... [set the phone down and reduce some sim output] ... Is that better? Oh well, now what were you asking?" On 1/28/21 9:29 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I don't let my spam filter automatically file my spam... I visually > scan the subjects and senders and depend on my peripheral vision to > notice spam markers... if something is suspected spam but *isn't* I > notice pretty close to real-time which means that there isn't a lot of > negative reinforcement for false-positives. I also try to be > thoughtful about what I mark as spam... I don't for example, call things > I simply am not interested in as spam. Before I do a "delete spam" or > "move marked to spam folder" I scan again, just on principle... I *very* > rarely catch anything in that scan but you know "belt and suspenders".... > > I try to limit who I "subscribe" to and then whack-a-mole the allies > that seem to spill over. ActBlue and/or ButtigeigForPrez and/or > BernieIsSoCoolItHurts seem to have gleefully given my e-mail address to > another half-dozen or so other campaigns (DitchMitch, MakeGeorgiaBlue, > OMGtheRedStatesAreComing, etc.) who then flooded me. For a while they > were a hydra it seemed... and I WAS tempted to overtrain my spam filter > and send it direct to a folder or trash but got through it without doing > that. > > Finally, after November I started unsubscribing from the campaigns I > knew I'd opted into (even if by sly accident) and included an admonition > that if THEY were the source of all the side-spam, they should rethink, > because it ended up *inhibiting* my support for their cause(s)... though > I am not sure that was very significant. On 1/28/21 9:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Some readers want novelty -- they are channel flippers -- and others are looking for an activity or even a process. And then there is a range in between. I'd guess Roger and Nick on opposite ends of that spectrum. I'm a channel flipper until I see something that looks like an itch to scratch or something to puzzle over -- a good distraction. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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Hi, (breaking the eerie silence) I'm still here. This thread illustrates why I rarely post these days. I liked Nick's original post asking non-posters to say something. But I found the ensuing discussion of spam not very interesting. If that discussion were to be carried on at all, it should have been in another thread, leaving this one to its original purpose. A feature that you probably can't implement would be to allow readers to mark threads as non-interesting, which would exclude them from that reader's stream. -- Russ Abbott Professor, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:04 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote: This all reminds me of a point I *thought* Jon made about the death of the DJ. But now I can't find that post. A friend of mine insists he hates the radio. On the surface, it sounds like a typical complaint about being "constantly interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper". But I think it goes deeper ... into QAnon territory. Being *part* of the game, as opposed to a mere consumer of it, is an important part of social reality. Some of us spend more time in a state of transcendent calm, content to watch or ignore some process. Others tend to get in and stir things up, send out rhizomes. Some of us feel helpless when the dancing rabbits come on, our individualism shattered. Some of us revel in the absurdity of it. And some of us sing along because the jingle is an ear worm. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Excellent! So re the thread about possible rules for posts (like the 1st time an acronym is used, top-posting, thread hygiene, etc.), you would support such rules and moderation?
On 1/28/21 10:18 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: > I'm still here. This thread illustrates why I rarely post these days. I liked Nick's original post asking non-posters to say something. But I found the ensuing discussion of spam not very interesting. If that discussion were to be carried on at all, it should have been in another thread, leaving this one to its original purpose. > > A feature that you probably can't implement would be to allow readers to mark threads as non-interesting, which would exclude them from that reader's stream. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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The bias toward first-poster topics is rigid. Often ideas are posed in incomplete ways. There are plenty of places to post an essay or a paper, e.g. medium.com or arxiv.org.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:25 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% Excellent! So re the thread about possible rules for posts (like the 1st time an acronym is used, top-posting, thread hygiene, etc.), you would support such rules and moderation? On 1/28/21 10:18 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: > I'm still here. This thread illustrates why I rarely post these days. I liked Nick's original post asking non-posters to say something. But I found the ensuing discussion of spam not very interesting. If that discussion were to be carried on at all, it should have been in another thread, leaving this one to its original purpose. > > A feature that you probably can't implement would be to allow readers to mark threads as non-interesting, which would exclude them from that reader's stream. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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Hi, Russ. You’re not proper non poster. You’re Russ1. And I am always grateful for your posts. A few key strokes in outlook will filter out any thread, but unfortunately, we bloviators are fond of thread bending , thread entanglement, thread chaos, etc. Just as I write off some thread as having safely disappeared into a nerdish black hole (say, whether LISP is better than BLATHER or STAMMER), they start talking about the mind body problem and I miss a good one. I got a message from a colleague (baiting me, no doubt). I had written him saying that I thought objects were ephemeral and that the world was processes all the way down. He wrote back to say, No, we need objects, because we need “landing places for qualia.” And suddenly, I realized, I have NO IDEA what qualia are. I remember from way back that you are a person who knows what qualia are. Can you remind me? Glen will probably say I am being annoying here, so you don’t have to answer. Nick Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Hi, (breaking the eerie silence) I'm still here. This thread illustrates why I rarely post these days. I liked Nick's original post asking non-posters to say something. But I found the ensuing discussion of spam not very interesting. If that discussion were to be carried on at all, it should have been in another thread, leaving this one to its original purpose. A feature that you probably can't implement would be to allow readers to mark threads as non-interesting, which would exclude them from that reader's stream. -- Russ Abbott On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:04 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I used to have elaborate pattern matching in Emacs to guess at topics and to provide default filing. I realized after some time it was all a waste of time. The best way for me to handle e-mail is in real time. Just remember ideas that
are relevant and archive the rest. Really I archive too much and should embrace more forgetting. If I am behind on a list I do some random sampling to estimate whether it is interesting to read more. High traffic lists are archived to the side, so that
I can come and go. From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of
[hidden email] Hi, Russ. You’re not proper non poster. You’re Russ1. And I am always grateful for your posts.
A few key strokes in outlook will filter out any thread, but unfortunately, we bloviators are fond of thread bending , thread entanglement, thread chaos, etc. Just as I write off some thread as having safely disappeared into a nerdish
black hole (say, whether LISP is better than BLATHER or STAMMER), they start talking about the mind body problem and I miss a good one.
I got a message from a colleague (baiting me, no doubt). I had written him saying that I thought objects were ephemeral and that the world was processes all the way down. He wrote back to say, No, we need objects, because we need “landing
places for qualia.” And suddenly, I realized, I have NO IDEA what qualia are. I remember from way back that you are a person who knows what qualia are. Can you remind me?
Glen will probably say I am being annoying here, so you don’t have to answer.
Nick Nick Thompson https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <[hidden email]>
On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Hi, (breaking the eerie silence) I'm still here. This thread illustrates why I rarely post these days. I liked Nick's original post asking non-posters to say something. But I found the ensuing discussion
of spam not very interesting. If that discussion were to be carried on at all, it should have been in another thread, leaving this one to its original purpose. A feature that you probably can't implement would be to allow readers to mark threads as non-interesting, which would exclude them from that reader's stream. -- Russ Abbott On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:04 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Russ - I think you are suggesting that "better thread hygiene" would
allow/encourage you (and perhaps others) to participate
more/better? I experience (as well) that I give up on some threads when they bend abruptly (even if I'm one of the worst offenders). When Owen was present (or active) he tried to keep us (more) honest, but it *does* feel that we have abandoned care on the topic. As a minor bend, I have been studying the question of how the
paradigms developed in computer engineering (and allied fields)
for branching document/source/content management can be applied in
more real-world situations. This problem
(thread-wander/bending/splatter) is but one symptom. I hope we can do better here... - Steve On 1/28/21 11:18 AM, Russ Abbott wrote:
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In the last week I got about 4 Microsoft tech support scam phone calls in English from someone who had an Indian accent apparently calling from a call center in India or elsewhere. It is a well known scam https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/protect-yourself-from-tech-support-scams-2ebf91bd-f94c-2a8a-e541-f5c800d18435And I got 5 packages from online shops where someone entered my name and my address and ordered something - among the products are a large screen TV and a $500 jacket. If the scammer is successful the package is delivered to a neighbor where he can again pretend to be the victim in order to get the product for free, while the victim gets the invoice. The deceived shop gets no money. Of course it is criminal to do that. I used to think whenever something is happening in nature it is either supper or pairing time. Now I tend to think whenever something is happening it is something selfish. Or evil. There is so much evil in this world, isn't it? -J. -------- Original message -------- From: uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> Date: 1/28/21 19:04 (GMT+01:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95% Scammers robocall me at least once per day. Inspired by the many scambaiters on youtube, I almost always press 1 to get my credit card rate lowered or to get that refund for the MacBook I didn't buy and have a long-ish conversation with them. After several attempts to get me to tell them my CC number [⛧], the "manager" yesterday finally told me to "fvck off". I'm like "You called me!?!" And he hung up. Ha! My time is even less precious than theirs. I can't help but wonder what his "employees" lives are like. Was the 1st guy on the call just as much a victim of his boss as I am? More? Or do they all live like Kings from the thousands of dollars they steal from the elderly? [⛧] We have this terrible noise problem on our landline that's not due to unfiltered DSL. Renee' wants me to get rid of it. I'm not motivated to because it helps me tease the scammers. "Is that noise on your end? Hang on, let me try something ... [set the phone down and reduce some sim output] ... Is that better? Oh well, now what were you asking?" On 1/28/21 9:29 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > I don't let my spam filter automatically file my spam... I visually > scan the subjects and senders and depend on my peripheral vision to > notice spam markers... if something is suspected spam but *isn't* I > notice pretty close to real-time which means that there isn't a lot of > negative reinforcement for false-positives. I also try to be > thoughtful about what I mark as spam... I don't for example, call things > I simply am not interested in as spam. Before I do a "delete spam" or > "move marked to spam folder" I scan again, just on principle... I *very* > rarely catch anything in that scan but you know "belt and suspenders".... > > I try to limit who I "subscribe" to and then whack-a-mole the allies > that seem to spill over. ActBlue and/or ButtigeigForPrez and/or > BernieIsSoCoolItHurts seem to have gleefully given my e-mail address to > another half-dozen or so other campaigns (DitchMitch, MakeGeorgiaBlue, > OMGtheRedStatesAreComing, etc.) who then flooded me. For a while they > were a hydra it seemed... and I WAS tempted to overtrain my spam filter > and send it direct to a folder or trash but got through it without doing > that. > > Finally, after November I started unsubscribing from the campaigns I > knew I'd opted into (even if by sly accident) and included an admonition > that if THEY were the source of all the side-spam, they should rethink, > because it ended up *inhibiting* my support for their cause(s)... though > I am not sure that was very significant. On 1/28/21 9:18 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Some readers want novelty -- they are channel flippers -- and others are looking for an activity or even a process. And then there is a range in between. I'd guess Roger and Nick on opposite ends of that spectrum. I'm a channel flipper until I see something that looks like an itch to scratch or something to puzzle over -- a good distraction. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ |
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