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gepr

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

Well, there's evil, and there's Evil. This thread, including RussA's implicit confirmation of Marcus' point about fora rigidity, dovetails nicely with the [ab|mis]use thread and Nick's trope about ancillary vs primary effects. The scammers, themselves not necessarily their children, are Evil ... but we can empathize if they're doing it because the world is a harsh and complex place. You gotta make money somehow. They're simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

Lurkers are opaque. Presumably, Google is a lurker on every clear text email you send through their platform, including this one. But I haven't really noticed any targeted marketing, perhaps because I use their IMAP interface, not the web interface? So even if they're using this content to profile and target people, it's merely little-e evil and I (perhaps falsely) understand why they're lurking. They're a for-profit business. It's a way to extract money. You gotta make money somehow. Google is simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

But individual lurkers are much harder to guess about. The opacity doesn't bother me, personally. It's none of my business what others think of me. (Similarly, to quote Fleetwood Mac, don't ask me what I think of you. I might not give the answer that you want me to.) But it does seem to be important to some. My advice is to treat this like a traditional medium. Each post is something you'd be willing to print out and nail to the telephone pole downtown. Any other conception seems like magical thinking.

On 1/28/21 2:18 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Of course it is criminal to do that. I used to think whenever something is happening in nature it is either supper or pairing time. Now I tend to think whenever something is happening it is something selfish. Or evil. There is so much evil in this world, isn't it?

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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

Maybe google sends mail to spam when it can't figure out how to monetize it, thus encouraging me to get a more exploitable life?

-- rec --

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, there's evil, and there's Evil. This thread, including RussA's implicit confirmation of Marcus' point about fora rigidity, dovetails nicely with the [ab|mis]use thread and Nick's trope about ancillary vs primary effects. The scammers, themselves not necessarily their children, are Evil ... but we can empathize if they're doing it because the world is a harsh and complex place. You gotta make money somehow. They're simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

Lurkers are opaque. Presumably, Google is a lurker on every clear text email you send through their platform, including this one. But I haven't really noticed any targeted marketing, perhaps because I use their IMAP interface, not the web interface? So even if they're using this content to profile and target people, it's merely little-e evil and I (perhaps falsely) understand why they're lurking. They're a for-profit business. It's a way to extract money. You gotta make money somehow. Google is simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

But individual lurkers are much harder to guess about. The opacity doesn't bother me, personally. It's none of my business what others think of me. (Similarly, to quote Fleetwood Mac, don't ask me what I think of you. I might not give the answer that you want me to.) But it does seem to be important to some. My advice is to treat this like a traditional medium. Each post is something you'd be willing to print out and nail to the telephone pole downtown. Any other conception seems like magical thinking.

On 1/28/21 2:18 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Of course it is criminal to do that. I used to think whenever something is happening in nature it is either supper or pairing time. Now I tend to think whenever something is happening it is something selfish. Or evil. There is so much evil in this world, isn't it?

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Steve Smith

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

On 1/29/21 10:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

Maybe google sends mail to spam when it can't figure out how to monetize it, thus encouraging me to get a more exploitable life?

Great bumper sticker...

Get an exploitable Life!

-- rec --

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, there's evil, and there's Evil. This thread, including RussA's implicit confirmation of Marcus' point about fora rigidity, dovetails nicely with the [ab|mis]use thread and Nick's trope about ancillary vs primary effects. The scammers, themselves not necessarily their children, are Evil ... but we can empathize if they're doing it because the world is a harsh and complex place. You gotta make money somehow. They're simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

Lurkers are opaque. Presumably, Google is a lurker on every clear text email you send through their platform, including this one. But I haven't really noticed any targeted marketing, perhaps because I use their IMAP interface, not the web interface? So even if they're using this content to profile and target people, it's merely little-e evil and I (perhaps falsely) understand why they're lurking. They're a for-profit business. It's a way to extract money. You gotta make money somehow. Google is simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

But individual lurkers are much harder to guess about. The opacity doesn't bother me, personally. It's none of my business what others think of me. (Similarly, to quote Fleetwood Mac, don't ask me what I think of you. I might not give the answer that you want me to.) But it does seem to be important to some. My advice is to treat this like a traditional medium. Each post is something you'd be willing to print out and nail to the telephone pole downtown. Any other conception seems like magical thinking.

On 1/28/21 2:18 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Of course it is criminal to do that. I used to think whenever something is happening in nature it is either supper or pairing time. Now I tend to think whenever something is happening it is something selfish. Or evil. There is so much evil in this world, isn't it?

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

One can hope to be a reflective and philosophical monster.

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:06 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

On 1/29/21 10:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

Maybe google sends mail to spam when it can't figure out how to monetize it, thus encouraging me to get a more exploitable life?

Great bumper sticker...

Get an exploitable Life!

-- rec --

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:49 AM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, there's evil, and there's Evil. This thread, including RussA's implicit confirmation of Marcus' point about fora rigidity, dovetails nicely with the [ab|mis]use thread and Nick's trope about ancillary vs primary effects. The scammers, themselves not necessarily their children, are Evil ... but we can empathize if they're doing it because the world is a harsh and complex place. You gotta make money somehow. They're simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

Lurkers are opaque. Presumably, Google is a lurker on every clear text email you send through their platform, including this one. But I haven't really noticed any targeted marketing, perhaps because I use their IMAP interface, not the web interface? So even if they're using this content to profile and target people, it's merely little-e evil and I (perhaps falsely) understand why they're lurking. They're a for-profit business. It's a way to extract money. You gotta make money somehow. Google is simply doing what we tell them they have to do.

But individual lurkers are much harder to guess about. The opacity doesn't bother me, personally. It's none of my business what others think of me. (Similarly, to quote Fleetwood Mac, don't ask me what I think of you. I might not give the answer that you want me to.) But it does seem to be important to some. My advice is to treat this like a traditional medium. Each post is something you'd be willing to print out and nail to the telephone pole downtown. Any other conception seems like magical thinking.

On 1/28/21 2:18 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
> Of course it is criminal to do that. I used to think whenever something is happening in nature it is either supper or pairing time. Now I tend to think whenever something is happening it is something selfish. Or evil. There is so much evil in this world, isn't it?

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Pieter Steenekamp

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

In reply to this post by thompnickson2

Hi Nick,

Sorry for the late reply from a non-bloviator. I am very interested in issues around complexity, but my time is soo limited that I don't get to everything I'm interested in. I also just developed an AI product www.truealarm.co.za, it recognizes a human in a security camera feed and then takes appropriate action) and it does not give me much free time.

Regards,
Pieter Steenekamp
Mossel Bay, South Africa

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 04:58, <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear non-bloviators,

Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out there?

Nick

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thompnickson2

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

Pieter,

I am sure we would love to hear more about that. It’s in some sense, the Turing test, right? Any way, any time you have time, short of proprietary secrets. Tell us more.

Nick Thompson

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:21 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

Regards,
Pieter Steenekamp
Mossel Bay, South Africa

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 04:58, <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear non-bloviators,

Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out there?

Nick

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Stephen Guerin-5

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:18 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am sure we would love to hear more about that. It’s in some sense, the Turing test, right? Any way, any time you have time, short of proprietary secrets. Tell us more.

Nick, here's PoseNet, an example of human pose detection and tracking in a video feed trained using Google's TensorFlow.
https://storage.googleapis.com/tfjs-models/demos/posenet/camera.html

Takes a bit of time for the neural net to load in the beginning, Give permission to the camera - all imagery stays local - in theory :-) Back away from your computer and dance around a bit.Invite Penny into the room to see multiple person tracking.

Stephen Guerin-5

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

In reply to this post by Pieter Steenekamp

Pieter,

Very cool solution. Do you process a composited 1/4 resolution grid of the 4 video streams in the Rasberry Pi/Neural Compute Stick? Or do you switch the videos with the DVR and process in serial?

-Stephen

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:21 PM Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Nick,

Sorry for the late reply from a non-bloviator. I am very interested in issues around complexity, but my time is soo limited that I don't get to everything I'm interested in. I also just developed an AI product www.truealarm.co.za, it recognizes a human in a security camera feed and then takes appropriate action) and it does not give me much free time.

Regards,
Pieter Steenekamp
Mossel Bay, South Africa

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 04:58, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear non-bloviators,

Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out there?

Nick

Nick Thompson
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Pieter Steenekamp

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

Stephen,

I run five parallel threads on the Raspberry Pi. One server and four clients, one client for each camera. Each client continuously monitors the feed on one camera and does basic motion detection on the images. It passes only the images where motion has been detected to the server.
If there are no images with motion, the server will do (almost) nothing. The server processes the images with motion on a first-come-first-served basis. The "heavy-lifting" computing to detect humans in the images is done in the Neural Compute Stick.
When a human is detected, the server then does the following:
it switches a light on;
it plays a sound clip, you can use any recorded MP3 sound clip, the default is a barking dog;
send the images with boxes drawn around the detected humans per telegram to as many users as you wish.

It is just amazing what you can achieve with relative little effort using user-friendly low cost technology. I don't claim to have done significant innovative or novel work, I've just combined available technology.

By the way, your Posenet example is cool!

Pieter

On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 at 00:10, Stephen Guerin <[hidden email]> wrote:

Pieter,

Very cool solution. Do you process a composited 1/4 resolution grid of the 4 video streams in the Rasberry Pi/Neural Compute Stick? Or do you switch the videos with the DVR and process in serial?

-Stephen
_______________________________________________________________________
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:21 PM Pieter Steenekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Nick,

Sorry for the late reply from a non-bloviator. I am very interested in issues around complexity, but my time is soo limited that I don't get to everything I'm interested in. I also just developed an AI product www.truealarm.co.za, it recognizes a human in a security camera feed and then takes appropriate action) and it does not give me much free time.

Regards,
Pieter Steenekamp
Mossel Bay, South Africa

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 04:58, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear non-bloviators,

Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out there?

Nick

Nick Thompson
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Russell Standish-2

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

In reply to this post by thompnickson2

I would partake, if I weren't in a pertual state of
crunch. (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crunch%20time)

As evidenced that I'm only now reading a post that is almost a month old.

Maybe in a year or so, things will calm down :)

PS - I got slagged off a few years ago for insinuating that only old
folks (ie retired) and the unemployed have the time to keep up with these
very interesting conversations.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:58:48PM -0600, [hidden email] wrote:

> Dear non-bloviators,
>
>
>
> Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we have no
> idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion in a forum vaguely
> related to complexity. I for one, am curious. Hallooooooo! Anybody out
> there?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> [hidden email]
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>

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thompnickson2

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

Hi, Russ,

I don't know what slagging-off means but it doesn't sound good. It's
probably true that the average age of FRIAM members is way north of sixty,
but we do have some young pups, for which I am profoundly grateful. Some of
the younger ones, I think, code and write to FRIAM at the same time, using
two keyboards and two hands, while reading posts on obscure bulletin boards
on a third screen.

Never a dull moment on FRAIM.

In short, we'll take you when we can get you.

Nick

Nick Thompson
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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Russell Standish
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 7:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

I would partake, if I weren't in a pertual state of crunch.
(https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crunch%20time)

As evidenced that I'm only now reading a post that is almost a month old.

Maybe in a year or so, things will calm down :)

PS - I got slagged off a few years ago for insinuating that only old folks
(ie retired) and the unemployed have the time to keep up with these very
interesting conversations.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:58:48PM -0600, [hidden email] wrote:

> Dear non-bloviators,
>
>
>
> Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we
> have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion
> in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious.
> Hallooooooo! Anybody out there?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> [hidden email]
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>

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Russell Standish-2

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slagging%20off

Mind you, in Australia, I don't think it necessarily means behind your
back, it can be in front of you too. Essentially a synonym for "bad
mouthing".

Cheers

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 09:49:09PM -0600, [hidden email] wrote:

> Hi, Russ,
>
> I don't know what slagging-off means but it doesn't sound good. It's
> probably true that the average age of FRIAM members is way north of sixty,
> but we do have some young pups, for which I am profoundly grateful. Some of
> the younger ones, I think, code and write to FRIAM at the same time, using
> two keyboards and two hands, while reading posts on obscure bulletin boards
> on a third screen.
>
> Never a dull moment on FRAIM.
>
> In short, we'll take you when we can get you.
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Thompson
> [hidden email]
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Russell Standish
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 7:57 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%
>
> I would partake, if I weren't in a pertual state of crunch.
> (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crunch%20time)
>
> As evidenced that I'm only now reading a post that is almost a month old.
>
> Maybe in a year or so, things will calm down :)
>
> PS - I got slagged off a few years ago for insinuating that only old folks
> (ie retired) and the unemployed have the time to keep up with these very
> interesting conversations.
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:58:48PM -0600, [hidden email] wrote:
> > Dear non-bloviators,
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we
> > have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion
> > in a forum vaguely related to complexity. I for one, am curious.
> > Hallooooooo! Anybody out there?
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick Thompson
> >
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Steve Smith

Re: Message to the non-posting 95%

Perhaps there is more "blag" than "slag" in this forum?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blag

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slagging%20off

Mind you, in Australia, I don't think it necessarily means behind your
back, it can be in front of you too. Essentially a synonym for "bad
mouthing".

Cheers

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 09:49:09PM -0600, [hidden email] wrote:

Hi, Russ, 

I don't know what slagging-off means but it doesn't sound good.  It's
probably true that the average age of FRIAM members is way north of sixty,
but we do have some young pups, for which I am profoundly grateful.  Some of
the younger ones, I think, code and write to FRIAM at the same time, using
two keyboards and two hands, while reading posts on obscure bulletin boards
on a third screen.  

Never a dull moment on FRAIM. 

In short, we'll take you when we can get you.

Nick 

Nick Thompson
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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [hidden email] On Behalf Of Russell Standish
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 7:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Message to the non-posting 95%

I would partake, if I weren't in a pertual state of crunch.
(https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crunch%20time)

As evidenced that I'm only now reading a post that is almost a month old.

Maybe in a year or so, things will calm down :)

PS - I got slagged off a few years ago for insinuating that only old folks
(ie retired) and the unemployed have the time to keep up with these very
interesting conversations.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:58:48PM -0600, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear non-bloviators,

 

Some of us bloviators have suddenly woken to the realization that we 
have no idea what you are thinking or what topics require discussion 
in a forum vaguely related to complexity.  I for one, am curious.  
Hallooooooo!  Anybody out there?

 

Nick

 

Nick Thompson

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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