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OK, I gotta ask now that there are probably several of us who have
experienced Mac running Windows on the newish Intel Mac systems: How well does this work for you? How do you do it, with Parallels or Boot Camp or VMWare? Comments on the experience? I ask 'cause I'm about to get a new 17" critter and I'd like to know how well it works. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net |
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Supposedly parallels is the way to go - there are many issues with bootcamp,
like all of the function keys don't work in windows and a few other fairly major showstoppers. Virtualization has really come a long way - some processors even supposedly have special instruction sets for it, but the jury is still out on how helpful they really are. Some folks say it's like night and day, others say it's not worth the extra $$$ for the processors. The guys for TLLTS recently had Erik Troan from rPath on. It was a very interesting interview. On Tuesday 14 November 2006 8:20 pm, Owen Densmore wrote: > OK, I gotta ask now that there are probably several of us who have > experienced Mac running Windows on the newish Intel Mac systems: > > How well does this work for you? How do you do it, with Parallels or > Boot Camp or VMWare? Comments on the experience? > > I ask 'cause I'm about to get a new 17" critter and I'd like to know > how well it works. > > -- Owen > > Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I've got a similar issue; since a client's project involves an app that
ONLY works on Windows (!) and needs the low level graphics driver access I'm probably gonna have to use both Parallels AND Bootcamp. My question re Bootcamp would be, how easy is it to modify partitions or even get rid of the thing once I'm done with it. Carl Tim Densmore wrote:0 > Supposedly parallels is the way to go - there are many issues with bootcamp, > like all of the function keys don't work in windows and a few other fairly > major showstoppers. Virtualization has really come a long way - some > processors even supposedly have special instruction sets for it, but the jury > is still out on how helpful they really are. Some folks say it's like night > and day, others say it's not worth the extra $$$ for the processors. The > guys for TLLTS recently had Erik Troan from rPath on. It was a very > interesting interview. > > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 8:20 pm, Owen Densmore wrote: > >> OK, I gotta ask now that there are probably several of us who have >> experienced Mac running Windows on the newish Intel Mac systems: >> >> How well does this work for you? How do you do it, with Parallels or >> Boot Camp or VMWare? Comments on the experience? >> >> I ask 'cause I'm about to get a new 17" critter and I'd like to know >> how well it works. >> >> -- Owen >> >> Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > |
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Owen Densmore wrote:
> How well does this work for you? How do you do it, with Parallels or Boot Camp or VMWare? Comments on the experience? > > I ask 'cause I'm about to get a new 17" critter and I'd like to know how well it works. > Parallels' CPU overhead is not the problem, but swapping is. Even with 4GB on a Mac Pro. An 8GB Mac Pro would be quite nice for concurrent use, I'd expect. I tried Windows Vista RC1, which otherwise works fine on a 1GB RAM 3.2 Ghz PC. |
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Hi Carl,
I'm not an expert, but I've spent one or two evenings playing with Parallels on a Mini - core duo with 1 GB, and a black MacBook core duo with 512MB. The difference in memory had pretty drastic effects on performance. They list 512 as being the minimum requirement, and 1 GB as the recommended. I'd suggest that 1 GB is the minimum. This was perfectly fine for me, but I tend to be very parsimonious with my use of windows and open applications. A nice thing about Parallels is that it seems to set up a special file, which represents the file system of the VM. You don't create special partitions, or worry about NTFS, FAT32, etc. By default, this file is about 8 GB, but, of course, you can change the size of it. One thing I'd like to do is see if this special file can be moved from one machine to another, or archived. That way, if you re-install your OS, can you just restore this file, after installing parallels, and have your old VM with applications again? ___________________________________ Rich Harris rich at redfish.com (USA) +1 (505) 217-1732 (UK) +44 (0)207 993-2932 On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:33 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: > I've got a similar issue; since a client's project involves an app > that > ONLY works on Windows (!) and > needs the low level graphics driver access I'm probably gonna have to > use both Parallels AND Bootcamp. > My question re Bootcamp would be, how easy is it to modify > partitions or > even get rid of the > thing once I'm done with it. > > Carl > > Tim Densmore wrote:0 >> Supposedly parallels is the way to go - there are many issues with >> bootcamp, >> like all of the function keys don't work in windows and a few >> other fairly >> major showstoppers. Virtualization has really come a long way - some >> processors even supposedly have special instruction sets for it, >> but the jury >> is still out on how helpful they really are. Some folks say it's >> like night >> and day, others say it's not worth the extra $$$ for the >> processors. The >> guys for TLLTS recently had Erik Troan from rPath on. It was a very >> interesting interview. >> >> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 8:20 pm, Owen Densmore wrote: >> >>> OK, I gotta ask now that there are probably several of us who have >>> experienced Mac running Windows on the newish Intel Mac systems: >>> >>> How well does this work for you? How do you do it, with >>> Parallels or >>> Boot Camp or VMWare? Comments on the experience? >>> >>> I ask 'cause I'm about to get a new 17" critter and I'd like to know >>> how well it works. >>> >>> -- Owen >>> >>> Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >>> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org >> >> >> >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20061115/877b9640/attachment.html |
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Owen Densmore wrote:
> OK, I gotta ask now that there are probably several of us who have > experienced Mac running Windows on the newish Intel Mac systems: > > How well does this work for you? How do you do it, with Parallels or > Boot Camp or VMWare? Comments on the experience? Just got around to this email while going back and cleaning out the inbox. Among the folks in my group at Sandia (several of whom have recently switched to the new Macs), Parallels is considered useless, Boot Camp is ok (at least one fellow has a three-way Boot Camp), and most everyone is eagerly awaiting VMWare. The problems with Parallels are that it does not have any form of virtual network and the drop-point and restart capabilities are crude compared to VMWare. The lack of virtual network means no IP masquerading and no capability to talk from the VM to the real system or other VMs. Since many of my colleagues use VMs for reverse engineering and analysis of malware, that is a real drawback. In addition, one has to arrange with the corporate network tenders to be allowed an extra IP address for each VM. I haven't heard of the function key problem with Boot Camp. As I said above, one of my colleagues has managed to get a triple boot working, but he says it is very difficult requiring things be done in a certain sequence while holding one's tongue in the right way and hopping up and down on one foot. The biggest difficulty is the Apple partitioning system, which has always been a problem for us dual-booters. Basically, most of the folks are waiting eagerly for VMWare to arrive for the new Macs. -- Ray Parks rcparks at sandia.gov IDART Project Lead Voice:505-844-4024 IORTA Department Mobile:505-238-9359 http://www.sandia.gov/scada Fax:505-844-9641 http://www.sandia.gov/idart Pager:800-690-5288 |
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