Libraries in France switch off wi-fi internet @ popping popcorn with a cell phone

[Peter-2-2]

Just wait and see what happens when the Wiops get hold of stuff like this

http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=173

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=kAd0aWxs7kQ

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[Marcus G. Daniels]

> ?Wi-fi is a recent invention, and in the long term no one knows what
> the health effects are going to be.

UHF television is less recent, and e.g. channel 50 in ABQ broadcasts at
1.3 million watts near the same frequencies GSM phones.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=KASY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges

But for the sake of argument, Wifi is far from the only technology using
2000MHz ish frequencies.
Add to that cordless phones and 3G mobile (e.g. next generation iPhones).
In the next few years, 3G mobile will probably displace Wifi anyway in
populated areas. That is, there will be users everywhere in populated
areas and the signal power will approximately on the same level as Wifi.

Another example is satellite radio. XM Radio has two of the largest
commercial satellites ever built with 18kw solar arrays (broadcasting at
13kw or so).
http://www.gosatellite.ca/General-FAQ-on-XM-Radio-s/636.htm#7
It bathes all of North American in microwaves at 2300 MHz (almost
exactly the same frequencies as Wifi).

Microwave exposure from Wifi essentially cannot be discriminated from
background (e.g. other sources) unless you want to put your base station
in a pillowcase and sleep on it (literally), and even if you do that it
is far below a mobile phone. A mobile phone operates at a watt or two
while Wifi, covering a shorter distance, is typically set up below 50
milliwatts.

Marcus

[Roger Critchlow-2]

The video is priceless, I'm incorporating it into my daughters' educations.

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On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, peter <pete at ideapete.com> wrote:

> Just wait and see what happens when the Wiops get hold of stuff like this
>
> http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=173
>
> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=kAd0aWxs7kQ
>
> ( : (  pete
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>
> Peter Baston
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> www.ideapete.com
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[James Steiner]

Her education of how to think critically and spot hoaxes and viral
advertising, I presume!

~~James

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:

> The video is priceless, I'm incorporating it into my daughters' educations.
> -- rec --
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, peter <pete at ideapete.com> wrote:
>> Just wait and see what happens when the Wiops get hold of stuff like this
>> http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=173
>> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=kAd0aWxs7kQ
>> ( : (  pete
>> Peter Baston
>> IDEAS
>> www.ideapete.com

[Robert J. Cordingley]

So are there any facts on how much (microwave/EMR) radiation does it
take to pop corn and what do cell phones put out and why do you have to
call the cell phone to make it pop? Does the power go up that much from
a dormant polling state to an on-line state?  Does the EMR power radiate
uniformly?  Are cell phones like microwave ovens; the frequency only
agitates water molecular bonds and antennas? How much does my head heat
up? Are other bonds affected, perhaps in my DNA and other cell
chemicals, but only in my ear? etc. etc.

Robert C.

James Steiner wrote:

> Her education of how to think critically and spot hoaxes and viral
> advertising, I presume!
>
> ~~James
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>  
>> The video is priceless, I'm incorporating it into my daughters' educations.
>> -- rec --
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, peter <pete at ideapete.com> wrote:
>>    
>>> Just wait and see what happens when the Wiops get hold of stuff like this
>>> http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=173
>>> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=kAd0aWxs7kQ
>>> ( : (  pete
>>> Peter Baston
>>> IDEAS
>>> www.ideapete.com
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[James Steiner]

I think, as a simple sanity test, one could put a few kernals is a
small group (no oil) in the microwave, start it on high, and see how
long it takes for one kernal to pop. If the microwave takes longer
than the group of cell phones, then the video is fake.

Also, when the first kernal pops, do all the rest of the kernals just
sit there, or are they scattered by the popping?

I'll try this myself at home tonight.

Usually, when I make popcorn in the microwave, I put a handful of corn
and a long burst of spray-oil in a paper lunch bag, and it takes about
1 or 2 minutes for the thing to start popping.

~~James

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Robert Cordingley <robert at cirrillian.com> wrote:

> So are there any facts on how much (microwave/EMR) radiation does it take to
> pop corn and what do cell phones put out and why do you have to call the
> cell phone to make it pop? Does the power go up that much from a dormant
> polling state to an on-line state?  Does the EMR power radiate uniformly?
> Are cell phones like microwave ovens; the frequency only agitates water
> molecular bonds and antennas? How much does my head heat up? Are other bonds
> affected, perhaps in my DNA and other cell chemicals, but only in my ear?
> etc. etc.
>
> Robert C.
>
> James Steiner wrote:
>
> Her education of how to think critically and spot hoaxes and viral
> advertising, I presume!
>
> ~~James
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>
>
> The video is priceless, I'm incorporating it into my daughters' educations.
> -- rec --
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, peter <pete at ideapete.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just wait and see what happens when the Wiops get hold of stuff like this
> http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=173
> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=kAd0aWxs7kQ
> ( : (  pete
> Peter Baston
> IDEAS
> www.ideapete.com

[Marcus G. Daniels]

Robert Cordingley wrote:
> what do cell phones put out
The FCC safety guideline (below) indicates 580 microwatts/cm^2 for GSM
frequencies (~800MHz).
That's close to what I've measured my phones to generate during a
conversation.
If you are using say a wired headset or bluetooth earpiece, and the
receiver is a few feet away it is not nearly that high.
A mobile phone uses up to about a watt when active and a microwave uses
about 1000 watts.
Otherwise a mobile phone doesn't generate EMR, unless it being used for
some other kind of digital communication.

For WiFi (or 3G) frequencies the FCC limit is 1000 microwatts/cm^2.
WiFi exposure is on the order of 0.001 to 0.01 microwatts/cm^2 even when
you are just feet away from the base station.
(And it falls off as 1/distance^2.)

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet56/oet56e4.pdf 
(page 15)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health

[Roger Critchlow-2]

Here are three more videos:

http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=514867
http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=514871
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ju5yIFu4yY8

One unobviously controlled variable is the distance to the cell tower,
ie how few bars on the signal strength, since the phones will work to
make a connection for you if the signal is weak.  None of the power
charts I've seen make any mention of that.  Another issue would be the
antenna radiation pattern.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:31 PM, James Steiner <gregortroll at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think, as a simple sanity test, one could put a few kernals is a
> small group (no oil) in the microwave, start it on high, and see how
> long it takes for one kernal to pop. If the microwave takes longer
> than the group of cell phones, then the video is fake.

It took a minute on high to pop one kernel of dozen in the bottom of a
small pyrex bowl.  My stash of PopSecret may be a bit stale, a whole
bag took nearly 4 minutes.  Then again the Panasonic microwave is
nearly 20 years old, too.

I'd guess that the kernels are popped by the telephones, but they've
been preheated in a microwave until they're nearly ready.

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