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Gillian Densmore

Is this list dead now

Simple question:

Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Is this list dead now

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Simple question:
Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Jacqueline Kazil

Re: Is this list dead now

If this is dead, where will all the lurkers go?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:44 AM Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Simple question:
Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Gillian Densmore

Re: Is this list dead now

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed.

I know on my my end to get any ones opinions or advice on or even just to say a friendly hello, it seems like I need to do so many times--That comes off as rude. I want to be wrong in that case and I want it to be a technical problem. It'd really suck if it's because people are leaving what used to be a pretty vibrant list.

As a concrete example I've seen nick thompson need to ask a few times just for advice on firefox.

Yesterday and today because I really want to pick up the pace on making friends, and finding stuff I'd enjoy doing and even getting a new set of resume and job helpers.

I don't expect instant response lol but even a simple: Oh I'm sorry Gil I (or we)simply don't know! or friendly ribbing goes a long away to kind of assure people oh, it's not actually dead quite yet-

lol but you might be right that it's turning into that infamous Norwegian blue lol

Preffering as I said in another email to be a open book or just open about questions, curiosities or what ever just ask.

That leads to the awkward question then: If people are leaving and or it's a technical problem, Anyone know how do-able it is to give either the current list a fresh coat of paint or somehow smoothly transition into a general fun witty bantery type of list. As I have no clue how email lists get set up and going "just" may simply a petty heafty task ^_^

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Simple question:
Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Is this list dead now

The world is a high dimensional space and we are comparatively low dimensional beings. It is surprising communication occurs at all.

Better to have a world of aliens than twins. Yes, I recognize that at least half the country disagrees with me.

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 10:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Is this list dead now

lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed.

As a concrete example I've seen nick thompson need to ask a few times just for advice on firefox.

Yesterday and today because I really want to pick up the pace on making friends, and finding stuff I'd enjoy doing and even getting a new set of resume and job helpers.

I don't expect instant response lol but even a simple: Oh I'm sorry Gil I (or we)simply don't know! or friendly ribbing goes a long away to kind of assure people oh, it's not actually dead quite yet-

lol but you might be right that it's turning into that infamous Norwegian blue lol

Preffering as I said in another email to be a open book or just open about questions, curiosities or what ever just ask.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Simple question:

Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Is this list dead now

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

I've not been involved in lists like this one before. It seems a lot like a family in certain respects. It is a weird mix of complexity folks (its charter), those associated with the complexity and high-tech community that sprouted up around Santa Fe / SFI / LANL / BiosGroup. It has some really smart people who are not snobbish or arrogant, as evidenced by the fact that nobody has asked either of us to leave :-) To me, it has largely been a way to stay in touch with a few people I got to know during my decade in Santa Fe, and vicariously be part of that community. I hope it manages to somehow stay together.

Gil, if I still lived in the area, I'd gladly be your gym partner. But that would be tough from Ecuador. My main words of encouragement to you would be to please don't stop trying. We all have our share of frustrations in life, but don't let them drag you down to the point that you miss all the good things around you. Go for walks (even if you have to by yourself sometimes) and enjoy the sunrises and sunsets. Santa Fe is incredibly beautiful, and I envy your still living there.

Peace

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed.
I know on my my end to get any ones opinions or advice on or even just to say a friendly hello, it seems like I need to do so many times--That comes off as rude. I want to be wrong in that case and I want it to be a technical problem. It'd really suck if it's because people are leaving what used to be a pretty vibrant list.
As a concrete example I've seen nick thompson need to ask a few times just for advice on firefox.
Yesterday and today because I really want to pick up the pace on making friends, and finding stuff I'd enjoy doing and even getting a new set of resume and job helpers.
I don't expect instant response lol but even a simple: Oh I'm sorry Gil I (or we)simply don't know! or friendly ribbing goes a long away to kind of assure people oh, it's not actually dead quite yet-
lol but you might be right that it's turning into that infamous Norwegian blue lol

Preffering as I said in another email to be a open book or just open about questions, curiosities or what ever just ask.

That leads to the awkward question then: If people are leaving and or it's a technical problem, Anyone know how do-able it is to give either the current list a fresh coat of paint or somehow smoothly transition into a general fun witty bantery type of list. As I have no clue how email lists get set up and going "just" may simply a petty heafty task ^_^

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Simple question:
Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Jochen Fromm-5

Re: Is this list dead now

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

I like the list. Keep it going!

Greetings from Berlin

Jochen

Steve Smith

FriAM is dead! Long live FriAM

In reply to this post by Gillian Densmore

Gil -

FWIW, I can sense that you might be on the edge of your own "symmetry break"... that you are struggling hard to break some patterns which have (apparently) worked well enough for you for some time, but which seem not to (current psych doc, current GP, daily activities, exercise habits, etc.) any longer.

This might naturally have you thinking/acting on much shorter time scales (being impatient for change) than normal ... I also offer you the general advice to not make more than one fundamental life change at a time. Certainly acquiring a new gym partner, finding new outlets/venues for your newly found love of dance are not overly extreme, but probably will take some time to effect and settle in.

- Steve

On 7/11/18 10:09 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed.
I know on my my end to get any ones opinions or advice on or even just to say a friendly hello, it seems like I need to do so many times--That comes off as rude. I want to be wrong in that case and I want it to be a technical problem. It'd really suck if it's because people are leaving what used to be a pretty vibrant list.

As a concrete example I've seen nick thompson need to ask a few times just for advice on firefox.

Yesterday and today because I really want to pick up the pace on making friends, and finding stuff I'd enjoy doing and even getting a new set of resume and job helpers.

I don't expect instant response lol but even a simple: Oh I'm sorry Gil I (or we)simply don't know! or friendly ribbing goes a long away to kind of assure people oh, it's not actually dead quite yet-

lol but you might be right that it's turning into that infamous Norwegian blue lol

Preffering as I said in another email to be a open book or just open about questions, curiosities or what ever just ask.

That leads to the awkward question then: If people are leaving and or it's a technical problem, Anyone know how do-able it is to give either the current list a fresh coat of paint or somehow smoothly transition into a general fun witty bantery type of list. As I have no clue how email lists get set up and going "just" may simply a petty heafty task ^_^

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Simple question:
Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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Gillian Densmore

Re: FriAM is dead! Long live FriAM

Thanks Steve! I do agree that as far as I can tell what ever I was doing before was basicaly a constant solve the imediate issue thing. I hope your right in that maybe now I'm wanting to move at more steady pace, and also get a much more long term thing going.

Oh like I'm in a walking group. I've only shown up once, so maybie give another go? *shrug* your possibly also right that their is a sense of urgency mixed with: well I'm as was said in the hobbit: 'Well prserved' so that might be contributing to: ok ok If I'm going to oh as a concrete example: ok ok if I want to at least try a more coloful clothing and have fun with that then I real should do so a little faster then not, I am a little imaptaint for health because I sort of feel it's silly to let health concerns drag out for to long.

Thanks for the advice I genuinely appreciate it!

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gil -

FWIW, I can sense that you might be on the edge of your own "symmetry break"... that you are struggling hard to break some patterns which have (apparently) worked well enough for you for some time, but which seem not to (current psych doc, current GP, daily activities, exercise habits, etc.) any longer.

This might naturally have you thinking/acting on much shorter time scales (being impatient for change) than normal ... I also offer you the general advice to not make more than one fundamental life change at a time. Certainly acquiring a new gym partner, finding new outlets/venues for your newly found love of dance are not overly extreme, but probably will take some time to effect and settle in.

- Steve

On 7/11/18 10:09 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed.
I know on my my end to get any ones opinions or advice on or even just to say a friendly hello, it seems like I need to do so many times--That comes off as rude. I want to be wrong in that case and I want it to be a technical problem. It'd really suck if it's because people are leaving what used to be a pretty vibrant list.

As a concrete example I've seen nick thompson need to ask a few times just for advice on firefox.

Yesterday and today because I really want to pick up the pace on making friends, and finding stuff I'd enjoy doing and even getting a new set of resume and job helpers.

I don't expect instant response lol but even a simple: Oh I'm sorry Gil I (or we)simply don't know! or friendly ribbing goes a long away to kind of assure people oh, it's not actually dead quite yet-

lol but you might be right that it's turning into that infamous Norwegian blue lol

Preffering as I said in another email to be a open book or just open about questions, curiosities or what ever just ask.

That leads to the awkward question then: If people are leaving and or it's a technical problem, Anyone know how do-able it is to give either the current list a fresh coat of paint or somehow smoothly transition into a general fun witty bantery type of list. As I have no clue how email lists get set up and going "just" may simply a petty heafty task ^_^

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)

I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from web.archive.org) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Simple question:
Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).

So is this list now dead and or MIA?

Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?

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