Interesting "take" on political correctness and triggering
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This is a recent podcast from the Jim Rutt Show which contained some new thoughts, for me. It reveals an understanding of the current free speech crisis on campuses (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) as arising from the interaction between a model of polite discourse (avoidance of uncomfortable topics) with the wildly increased diversity of student bodies on the campuses of elite universities, meaning that the number of topics that can be discussed without making SOMEBODY uncomfortable has greatly decreased . The last five minutes includes a discussion of the St. Johns model. If you had only a few minutes to devote to it, you might skip there and then reel back if you want more context. Easterners do NOT, repeat not, be put off by that “Howdy” thang at the beginning. For me, there were LOTS of new thoughts, here. One significant model of classroom discourse that is NOT mentioned on the podcast is the “T-group” model, from the sixties. Hmmm. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Sorry everybody, I got snookered. After an hour of cross checking in the internet, I could find no evidence that … (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) I don’t know if I misheard (the podcast was a bit muddy in places) or was mis-told, but in any case I mis-informed you. Again, I apologize. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> This is a recent podcast from the Jim Rutt Show which contained some new thoughts, for me. It reveals an understanding of the current free speech crisis on campuses (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) as arising from the interaction between a model of polite discourse (avoidance of uncomfortable topics) with the wildly increased diversity of student bodies on the campuses of elite universities, meaning that the number of topics that can be discussed without making SOMEBODY uncomfortable has greatly decreased . The last five minutes includes a discussion of the St. Johns model. If you had only a few minutes to devote to it, you might skip there and then reel back if you want more context. Easterners do NOT, repeat not, be put off by that “Howdy” thang at the beginning. For me, there were LOTS of new thoughts, here. One significant model of classroom discourse that is NOT mentioned on the podcast is the “T-group” model, from the sixties. Hmmm. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Which episode are you talking about?
Simon DeDeo? https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/currents-simon-dedeo/ Jack Murphy? https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/jack-murphy/ On 5/26/20 10:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Sorry everybody, > > I got snookered. After an hour of cross checking in the internet, I could find no evidence that … > > (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) > > I don’t know if I misheard (the podcast was a bit muddy in places) or was mis-told, but in any case I mis-informed you. Again, I apologize. > > *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:14 PM > > > > This <https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/feed/podcast/> is a recent podcast from the Jim Rutt Show which contained some new thoughts, for me. It reveals an understanding of the current free speech crisis on campuses (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) as arising from the interaction between a model of polite discourse (avoidance of uncomfortable topics) with the wildly increased diversity of student bodies on the campuses of elite universities, meaning that the number of topics that can be discussed without making SOMEBODY uncomfortable has greatly decreased . The last five minutes includes a discussion of the St. Johns model. If you had only a few minutes to devote to it, you might skip there and then reel back if you want more context. Easterners do NOT, repeat not, be put off by that “Howdy” thang at the beginning. For me, there were LOTS of new thoughts, here. One significant model of classroom > discourse that is NOT mentioned on the podcast is the “T-group” model, from the sixties. Hmmm. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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Glen
Simon Dedeo. On Censorship I was perhaps over enthusiastic about many things yesterday. I have these giddy moments. Worth dipping into, perhaps. I found the off the cuff reflections on St. Johns, at the end, really interesting, but I have a son who teaches there. Not giddy today. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:30 AM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Interesting "take" on political correctness and triggering Which episode are you talking about? Simon DeDeo? https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/currents-simon-dedeo/ Jack Murphy? https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/jack-murphy/ On 5/26/20 10:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > Sorry everybody, > > I got snookered. After an hour of cross checking in the internet, I > could find no evidence that … > > (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to > limit texts that may be taught on campus) > > I don’t know if I misheard (the podcast was a bit muddy in places) or was mis-told, but in any case I mis-informed you. Again, I apologize. > > *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:14 PM > > > > This <https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/feed/podcast/> is a recent > podcast from the Jim Rutt Show which contained some new thoughts, for me. It reveals an understanding of the current free speech crisis on campuses (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) as arising from the interaction between a model of polite discourse (avoidance of uncomfortable topics) with the wildly increased diversity of student bodies on the campuses of elite universities, meaning that the number of topics that can be discussed without making SOMEBODY uncomfortable has greatly decreased . The last five minutes includes a discussion of the St. Johns model. If you had only a few minutes to devote to it, you might skip there and then reel back if you want more context. Easterners do NOT, repeat not, be put off by that “Howdy” thang at the beginning. For me, there were LOTS of new thoughts, here. One significant model of classroom discourse that is NOT mentioned on the podcast is the “T-group” model, from the sixties. Hmmm. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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Well, FWIW: https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2020/05/01/remove-hateful-material-from-mandatory-teaching-says-su-council/
I think it's pretty funny that DeDeo describes the Platonic cocktail party model of education as being (somewhat) unique to places like Oxford. We were doing that as kids down at the boat docks (many of whom smoked a LOT of dope), at Dudley's Draw and in the ΛΣΔ (aka LSD - an anti-frat) house while I was at aTm, and at Bentley's Pub with my guidance and control colleagues at Lockheed Martin. The arrogance and myopia of rich people who cloister in places like Oxford or Harvard never cease to shock me. If you've never attended a robust salon at a biker bar in East Texas or a rural pub in Northern Ireland, I highly recommend it. That these guys think this sort of thing doesn't happen in Kentucky or peri-MIT makes me think they're just outright ignorant. "Hospitality rules" vary, of course, but the consequences of violating them are real everywhere. But, of course, it's *likely* that I'm the one that's ignorant and simply have no idea what Rutt and DeDeo are talking about because I wouldn't be caught dead in an Oxford seminar (and even if they allowed me in, I'd be pretty embarrassed afterward). DeDeo nicely steers the conversation in the right direction with the idea I floated at the last zoom meeting that everyone politely ignored. DeDeo: "One of the reasons people send their kids to Harvard is so that they act like kids who went to Harvard." It's in-group circle jerking akin to a Trump rally. [sigh] On 5/27/20 9:03 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > Simon Dedeo. On Censorship > > I was perhaps over enthusiastic about many things yesterday. I have these giddy moments. Worth dipping into, perhaps. I found the off the cuff reflections on St. Johns, at the end, really interesting, but I have a son who teaches there. > > [...] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:30 AM > To: FriAM <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Interesting "take" on political correctness and triggering > > Which episode are you talking about? > > Simon DeDeo? https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/currents-simon-dedeo/ > Jack Murphy? https://jimruttshow.blubrry.net/jack-murphy/ > > > On 5/26/20 10:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote: >> Sorry everybody, >> >> I got snookered. After an hour of cross checking in the internet, I >> could find no evidence that … >> >> (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to >> limit texts that may be taught on campus) >> >> I don’t know if I misheard (the podcast was a bit muddy in places) or was mis-told, but in any case I mis-informed you. Again, I apologize. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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"If we were to truly take action to remedy the negative consequences of race, we would have to do more than ‘celebrate difference;’ we would have to demand inclusion and equity. In contrast to the definitions of diversity that elite universities ascribe to, David S. Owen argues, “diversity is not about helping those who face barriers because they do not fit the norm; it is fundamentally about restructuring the social system so that the barriers are eliminated.”24 Unfortunately, those barriers benefit those who are in the best position to eliminate them. Although many have been fooled by the surface-level changes in US universities, it is clear that America’s economic and political elites have maintained a great deal of control over these and other important institutions, which casts doubt on anyone’s ability to change the ways in which they operate and the ideologies that they spread." Katherine Wolfenden, 2013. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 4:14 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
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All – Sorry to zig and zag. My colleague on FRIAM, Glen Ropella, chased this down for me: The problem arose because I failed to distinguish between the Oxford Union and the Oxford STUDENT union, which are entirely different organizations. It’s bad, but it’s not quite so bad. N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Sorry everybody, I got snookered. After an hour of cross checking in the internet, I could find no evidence that … (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) I don’t know if I misheard (the podcast was a bit muddy in places) or was mis-told, but in any case I mis-informed you. Again, I apologize. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> This is a recent podcast from the Jim Rutt Show which contained some new thoughts, for me. It reveals an understanding of the current free speech crisis on campuses (the Oxford Union apparently voted to asked the British government to limit texts that may be taught on campus) as arising from the interaction between a model of polite discourse (avoidance of uncomfortable topics) with the wildly increased diversity of student bodies on the campuses of elite universities, meaning that the number of topics that can be discussed without making SOMEBODY uncomfortable has greatly decreased . The last five minutes includes a discussion of the St. Johns model. If you had only a few minutes to devote to it, you might skip there and then reel back if you want more context. Easterners do NOT, repeat not, be put off by that “Howdy” thang at the beginning. For me, there were LOTS of new thoughts, here. One significant model of classroom discourse that is NOT mentioned on the podcast is the “T-group” model, from the sixties. Hmmm. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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