IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

[Nick Thompson]

https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/

 

I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why. 

 

Courtesy of a friend.

 

Nick

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[Owen Densmore]

https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/ 

I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why. 

 Courtesy of a friend.

​Love the article, and it seemed reasonably precise.

But. seriously, do you think we're all that interested in the background of the image of the author at work?

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[Nick Thompson]

Cult of the individual, Mathematics Edition. 

 

Wait till he gives his TED talk. 

 

Sheesh,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
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https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/ 

I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why. 

 Courtesy of a friend.

 

​Love the article, and it seemed reasonably precise.

 

But. seriously, do you think we're all that interested in the background of the image of the author at work?

 

 

​

 

 

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[Frank Wimberly-2]

I wonder how Hoel gets along with my erstwhile boss, Clark Glymour, whose field is also causation and mind and who is also at Carnegie Mellon.

This spell corrector is getting out of control.  It changed "Hoel" to "Joel" and "also" to "alcohol".

Frank

On Jun 11, 2017 9:40 PM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Cult of the individual, Mathematics Edition. 

 

Wait till he gives his TED talk. 

 

Sheesh,

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 10:52 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

 

https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/ 

I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why. 

 Courtesy of a friend.

 

​Love the article, and it seemed reasonably precise.

 

But. seriously, do you think we're all that interested in the background of the image of the author at work?

 

 

​

 

 

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[Steve Smith]

I just read through the article and was equally intrigued and disappointed... intrigued by some of the ideas presented and disappointed by the (mostly) superficial treatment in the article... of course, it is at the right level for the audience I think, so no harm, no foul...  I just need to take the time/focus to go dig out the references to the source material not provided and start with THAT.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone else digs any deeper.  

The whiteboard behind Hoel reminds me a lot too much of the whiteboards the UNM team I worked with in 2012-13 on "Faceted Ontologies" rooted in Category Theory (Caudell, Luger, Taha, et al).  I took photos of those white boards... somewhere deep in my archives.  

FWIW, It also reminds me very vaguely/obliquely of Quantum Coherence in Water and the work of many including Dr. Mae Won Ho, who Guerin turned me onto.

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Quantum_Coherent_Water_Life.php

On 6/11/17 7:48 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/

 

I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why. 

 

Courtesy of a friend.

 

Nick

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[gepr]

And, just in case y'all missed it in all the noise, here's ScottA's response I posted in the Graph/Network discursion:

On 06/09/2017 03:14 PM, gepr ⛧ wrote:
>
>   Higher-level causation exists (but I wish it didn’t)
>   http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3294

And in there is an update linking to Hoel's response to Scott's response ... and so on ... and so on. 8^)


On 06/11/2017 10:43 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:

> I just read through the article and was equally intrigued and disappointed... intrigued by some of the ideas presented and disappointed by the (mostly) superficial treatment in the article... of course, it is at the right level for the audience I think, so no harm, no foul...  I just need to take the time/focus to go dig out the references to the source material not provided and start with THAT.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone else digs any deeper.
>
> The whiteboard behind Hoel reminds me a lot too much of the whiteboards the UNM team I worked with in 2012-13 on "Faceted Ontologies" rooted in Category Theory (Caudell, Luger, Taha, et al).  I took photos of those white boards... somewhere deep in my archives.
>
> FWIW, It also reminds me very vaguely/obliquely of Quantum Coherence in Water and the work of many including Dr. Mae Won Ho, who Guerin turned me onto.
>
>     http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Quantum_Coherent_Water_Life.php
>
>
> On 6/11/17 7:48 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/
>>
>> I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why.

--
☣ glen

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[Prof David West]

My 1988 dissertation included a proposal for a model of cognition: vTAO — virtual Topographic Adaptive Organism — derived in part from Hopfield's 'neural net as water flowing over a landscape' metaphor. My model, in a militantly non-mathematical manner, offered an account for how "macro-structures" (at seven different levels) supported and constrained observed patterns of thinking and behavior. Different metaphor but I think it arrives at the same destination as Hoel's work.

It would be fun sometime, and offline from this group, to talk about this with someone who knows math and who is willing to put up with someone who stopped with Calculus in high school.

davew

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:

I just read through the article and was equally intrigued and disappointed... intrigued by some of the ideas presented and disappointed by the (mostly) superficial treatment in the article... of course, it is at the right level for the audience I think, so no harm, no foul...  I just need to take the time/focus to go dig out the references to the source material not provided and start with THAT.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone else digs any deeper.  

The whiteboard behind Hoel reminds me a lot too much of the whiteboards the UNM team I worked with in 2012-13 on "Faceted Ontologies" rooted in Category Theory (Caudell, Luger, Taha, et al).  I took photos of those white boards... somewhere deep in my archives.  

FWIW, It also reminds me very vaguely/obliquely of Quantum Coherence in Water and the work of many including Dr. Mae Won Ho, who Guerin turned me onto.

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Quantum_Coherent_Water_Life.php

On 6/11/17 7:48 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/

 

I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s late and I cannot remember why. 

 

Courtesy of a friend.

 

Nick

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