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Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these links so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether or not we want[ed] to click the link? I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs. 8^) Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM: > Two of them, actually. > > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required. Here's the procedure: 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...) 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in reading, open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x" symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
3) Proceed on as you were. 4) #endif On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <[hidden email]> wrote:
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</smartass-mode> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is: 1. copy the link, 2. start a text editor 3. paste it into a text editor, 4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL 5. copy the URL again 6. open a web browser 7. select "open web location" 8. paste the URL 9. press return As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link. Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the "here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to begin with. :). On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote: > </smartass-mode> > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required. Here's > > the procedure: > > > > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...) > > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If > > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in reading, > > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if > > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x" > > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage. > > 3) Proceed on as you were. > > 4) #endif > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > >> > >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these links > >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether or > >> not we want[ed] to click the link? > >> > >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs. 8^) > >> > >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM: > >> > Two of them, actually. > >> > > >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html > >> > > >> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html > >> > >> -- > >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com > >> > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Doug Roberts > > [hidden email]* > > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > > * <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > > 505-455-7333 - Office > > 505-672-8213 - Mobile* > > > > > > -- > *Doug Roberts > [hidden email]* > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > * <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-672-8213 - Mobile* > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs. Thanks for reminding me. What do you use, Russ. Mutt? Or Pine? Or mail. Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail? :) On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm Doug Roberts
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Well, ok then: a synopsis: Google has by now pissed off enough people by their lethargic, lackluster attention to serious bugs that were introduced into Android by them (they own Android, of course the introduced the bugs, duh) back in November last year. What's the bid deal? wifi either doesn't work in many Android devices running 4.2, or it works very poorly: packet loss, inability to connect to different routers.
Bluetooth doesn't work. Why is it important? Because lots of Android devices turned into bricks when they upgraded to 4.2, that's why. Want to to know more? Do your quaint, archaic copy/paste url browser thing.
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I can only imagine all the white-out carefully painted on your cathode ray tube ascii terminals. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Douglas Roberts <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:23PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs. > Thanks for reminding me. What do you use, Russ. Mutt? Or Pine? Or mail. > Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail? > > :) > I use mutt these days - since the early 00s. It has great threading capability, good for reading these voluminous mailing lists. I was an elm user, prior to that. I never got into pine - one of those reasons I alluded to before was to use my editor of choice (emacs), which pine didn't allow. Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps? Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian? I have tried some HTML-based email clients for various work email scenarios - I used Thunderbird for one job - which was OK for the work email, but would fail miserably on those aforementioned mailing lists, and that unmitigated disaster Outlook, which was mandated as the email client for another of my employers. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Yeah, I used to do that. Back in the 80's
Only because it is. But if it rox your sox, have at it!
Doug Roberts
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Bravo! Pure text is pure joy.
The "power users" destroyed email by adding more and more unnecessary stuff to it, "feature" upon "feature". For a while the incompatibilities between mail clients were absurd. Mime helped, and alas, HTML even more. I guess we should be happy that mail didn't grow to include spreadsheets, powerpoint etc .. they are still "attachments". Interestingly enough, HTML helped boost the newly arrived computer users back into text editors rather than word processors. This due to the sophisticated "programming" editors for HTML/CSS/Javascript. TextMate & Sublime are quite good and avoid the bloat of an IDE. I was amazed to see the VI->VIM popularity. -- Owen On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:23PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote: > > Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs. > > Thanks for reminding me. What do you use, Russ. Mutt? Or Pine? Or mail. > > Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail? > > > > :) > > > > I use mutt these days - since the early 00s. It has great threading > capability, good for reading these voluminous mailing lists. I was an > elm user, prior to that. I never got into pine - one of those reasons > I alluded to before was to use my editor of choice (emacs), which pine > didn't allow. > > Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in > emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps? > > Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian? I have tried > some HTML-based email clients for various work email scenarios - I > used Thunderbird for one job - which was OK for the work email, but > would fail miserably on those aforementioned mailing lists, and that > unmitigated disaster Outlook, which was mandated as the email client > for another of my employers. > > Cheers > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:49:13PM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Bravo! Pure text is pure joy. > > The "power users" destroyed email by adding more and more unnecessary > stuff to it, "feature" upon "feature". For a while the > incompatibilities between mail clients were absurd. You mean like Outlook, and everybody else? Are there other email clients that were as severely borked at supporting email standards as Outlook? > Mime helped, and > alas, HTML even more. Not convinced that HTML added anything useful ... Being able to typeset maths in email _would_ be useful, but so far HTML has completely failed at that problem. In the meantime, LaTeX encoding has grown to fill the void... > > I guess we should be happy that mail didn't grow to include > spreadsheets, powerpoint etc .. they are still "attachments". > Ahh ... attachments. I received my first MSOffice document circa 1995, but it wasn't until about 2003 that my main desktop computer had sufficient grunt to run Open Office (maybe called StarOffice at the time) so as to be able to effectively open and edit them. In the intervening 8 years, I had to beg someone to download and print the attachments, make my edits on them with a pen, and fax the results back to the original sender. True story. > Interestingly enough, HTML helped boost the newly arrived computer > users back into text editors rather than word processors. This due to > the sophisticated "programming" editors for HTML/CSS/Javascript. > TextMate & Sublime are quite good and avoid the bloat of an IDE. I > was amazed to see the VI->VIM popularity. > > -- Owen > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:23PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote: > > > Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs. > > > Thanks for reminding me. What do you use, Russ. Mutt? Or Pine? Or mail. > > > Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail? > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > I use mutt these days - since the early 00s. It has great threading > > capability, good for reading these voluminous mailing lists. I was an > > elm user, prior to that. I never got into pine - one of those reasons > > I alluded to before was to use my editor of choice (emacs), which pine > > didn't allow. > > > > Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in > > emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps? > > > > Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian? I have tried > > some HTML-based email clients for various work email scenarios - I > > used Thunderbird for one job - which was OK for the work email, but > > would fail miserably on those aforementioned mailing lists, and that > > unmitigated disaster Outlook, which was mandated as the email client > > for another of my employers. > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > > Principal, High Performance Coders > > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] > > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [hidden email] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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I upgraded to "less" about 10 years
ago, it makes it easier to scroll through my mail backwards, more
or less, though I think these days "more" is just an alias to
"less", more or less.
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I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM: why, and/or why not plain ascii text email readers are/are not superior to html readers. Points awarded for verbosity.
Points detracted for succinctness. You have been advised. --Doug On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Doug -
I think I have you in a double bind, my early submission was a pretty succinct but verbose bit of commentary worthy only of me. I'm guessing my points cancel and I get a big fat zero? - Steve
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You know what, Steve? I can happily live with that! Happy Weekend to you! --Doug
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On 2/1/13 7:25 PM, Russell Standish
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Not convinced that HTML added anything useful ... Being able to typeset maths in email _would_ be useful, but so far HTML has completely failed at that problem. In the meantime, LaTeX encoding has grown to fill the void...Hmm, sounds like a `cultural problem'... Above, in Mathematica, I ran: ExportString[Solve[x^2 - 3 == 0,x],"MathML"] You'll get a bunch of MathML: <math xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML'> <mrow> <mo>{</mo> <mrow> <mrow> <mo>{</mo> <mrow> <mi>x</mi> <semantics> <mo>→</mo> <annotation encoding='Mathematica'>"\[Rule]"</annotation> </semantics> <mrow> <mo>-</mo> <msqrt> <mn>3</mn> </msqrt> </mrow> </mrow> <mo>}</mo> </mrow> <mo>,</mo> <mrow> <mo>{</mo> <mrow> <mi>x</mi> <semantics> <mo>→</mo> <annotation encoding='Mathematica'>"\[Rule]"</annotation> </semantics> <msqrt> <mn>3</mn> </msqrt> </mrow> <mo>}</mo> </mrow> </mrow> <mo>}</mo> </mrow> </math> Now go into Thunderbird, and run Insert/HTML. Cut and paste the above in. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Heh, that was nice. I usually have my client set to view the bodies as plain text... but I must have been trying to view some marketing crap when I last used it, because I'd left it on view as html, which allowed me to see the render. Personally, if everyone would use a fixed width font, I might leave my client set to view bodies as html. But I simply can't stand proportional fonts. Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 02/03/2013 01:02 PM: > Hmm, sounds like a `cultural problem'... > > { { x ? "\[Rule]" - 3 } , { x ? "\[Rule]" 3 } } > > Above, in Mathematica, I ran: > > ExportString[Solve[x^2 - 3 == 0,x],"MathML"] > > You'll get a bunch of MathML: -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Or  from Scientific WorkPlace and Apple Mail. The above is a graphic. Scientific WorkPlace can also generate MathML, so the following method also works when the mail allows HTML. Apple Mail seems not to. --Barry If the graphic doesn't appear inline, then maybe it's time to upgrade. On Feb 3, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
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I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM: why, and/or why not plain ASCII text email readers are/are not superior to html readers.
What are the points awarded/detracted for using other people's arguments? versus
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