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Jochen Fromm-5

George R.R. Martin

A colleague came up today with a book from George R.R. Martin. They say he is the American Tolkien, so I decided to read one of his books, 'Game of Thrones'. Has someone actually met him? He lives in Santa Fe and seems to be cool.

-J.

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Steve Smith

Re: George R.R. Martin

Jochen -

I met George when I used to hang with some of the local (NM) SF authors, I've since dropped out of that crowd.

I also hosted a series of events at LANL during the 1998 Nebula awards... At that event I even met a woman (SF/F Author who claimed to have accidentally started the Society for Creative Anachronism when she invited all of her friends and aquaintences and colleagues to her house in Berkeley to celebrate her recent Masters in Medieval Studies and they all showed up in period costume and weaponry....   I can't remember her name now and could not corroborate her story.

George is a lot like many of the SF/F authors I know... only a bit more successful than most. I found George to be a self-important curmudgeon long before he hit it bigtime (while he was producing the work that he would hit it bigtime with!)... so I can't imagine that has decreased. The Game of Thrones series (even before it got picked up by HBO) was very powerful even though it is not my usual fare. George also initiated and edited a series of collected/themed short stories known as "the Wild Card" stories which in my opinion presaged (or inspired, or informed) the "Heroes" HBO series. These are (I think he's still cranking them out) very good examples of collaborative fiction as well...

We (NM) recently (2006) lost the legendary Jack Williamson at the ripe young age of 98... he came to NM by way of covered wagon just around 1912/statehood (age 4).   He was incredibly prolific right up until his last few years, and managed to get credit for many neologisms from Science Fiction as documented in the Oxford English Dictionary.... including my favorite "contra-terrene" (anti-matter). He also told a great anecdote about being visited by the FBI during the Manhattan project because of one of his stories' reference to "Atom Bombs"... he got them off his back by referring them to a much older (1932?) story with the same ideas... I recommend his first novel in the "Humanoid" Series... I think it was called "With Folded Hands" (what goes awry when you make the perfect robotic servants whose directives are roughly those that Asimov is given credit for... "Allow no human to come to harm"...   taking this to the extreme they became a kindler, gentler version of the Borg or the Berserkers.

We also lost the similarly legendary Roger Zelazny who was a long time resident of Santa Fe and most famous for his series referred to as "The Amber Chronicles" I think. Zelazny was also much loved for the writing workshops he taught in the area.

Steve (S.M.) Stirling is another prolific Santa Fe author. He has several collaborators who he publishes with, including the well known name of Anne McCaffrey ("The Ship who Fought). Most of his works are military SF, Post Apocalyptic and Alternate History.   I enjoy the last the most.

Stephen C. Gould and Laura Mixon are perhaps my favorite "writing couple"... Stephen's work hit it "big time" when one of his juvenile novels, "Jumper" was made into a movie (disappointing result as such endeavors often are) a few years ago. They wrote a great collaborative novel together for those here interested in collaborative efforts.   Laura is a very powerful Cyberpunk (my measure of the theme of her work) Author in her own right and collaborator on an Interactive Storytelling engine (Storytron). Laura and/or Stephen might even be members of this or the SFX Discuss list. I hosted them at SFX for a "blender" on interactive storytelling a few years ago.

Walter Jon Williamson is another of my favorites...   His work touches on Cyberpunk (HardWired in particular) but manages to be very highbrow technically despite the lowbrow tropes such as "Space Opera".   I haven't seen anything from him lately, but I'm sure he's still working...

Other SF names from the immediate are that might also be recognized include: Fred Saberhagen, Sage Walker, Patty Nagel, Sally Gwylan ...

And of course, there is the ever-famous annual SF Confention in Albuquerque called the "Bubonicon" after the unfortunate disease, "Bubonic Plague".

Oh, and then of course, we have Doug!

- Steve

A colleague came up today with a book from George R.R. Martin. They say he is the American Tolkien, so I decided to read one of his books, 'Game of Thrones'. Has someone actually met him? He lives in Santa Fe and seems to be cool.

-J.

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Douglas Roberts-2

Re: George R.R. Martin

Thanks for the honorable mention, Steve!

BTW, I'm now qualified to give seminars, workshops, etc. that provide clinical proof of how rapidly your book sales can (will!) fall off a cliff without a pretty aggressive, ongoing marketing plan.

--Doug

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jochen -

I met George when I used to hang with some of the local (NM) SF authors, I've since dropped out of that crowd.

I also hosted a series of events at LANL during the 1998 Nebula awards... At that event I even met a woman (SF/F Author who claimed to have accidentally started the Society for Creative Anachronism when she invited all of her friends and aquaintences and colleagues to her house in Berkeley to celebrate her recent Masters in Medieval Studies and they all showed up in period costume and weaponry....   I can't remember her name now and could not corroborate her story.

George is a lot like many of the SF/F authors I know... only a bit more successful than most. I found George to be a self-important curmudgeon long before he hit it bigtime (while he was producing the work that he would hit it bigtime with!)... so I can't imagine that has decreased. The Game of Thrones series (even before it got picked up by HBO) was very powerful even though it is not my usual fare. George also initiated and edited a series of collected/themed short stories known as "the Wild Card" stories which in my opinion presaged (or inspired, or informed) the "Heroes" HBO series. These are (I think he's still cranking them out) very good examples of collaborative fiction as well...

We (NM) recently (2006) lost the legendary Jack Williamson at the ripe young age of 98... he came to NM by way of covered wagon just around 1912/statehood (age 4).   He was incredibly prolific right up until his last few years, and managed to get credit for many neologisms from Science Fiction as documented in the Oxford English Dictionary.... including my favorite "contra-terrene" (anti-matter). He also told a great anecdote about being visited by the FBI during the Manhattan project because of one of his stories' reference to "Atom Bombs"... he got them off his back by referring them to a much older (1932?) story with the same ideas... I recommend his first novel in the "Humanoid" Series... I think it was called "With Folded Hands" (what goes awry when you make the perfect robotic servants whose directives are roughly those that Asimov is given credit for... "Allow no human to come to harm"...   taking this to the extreme they became a kindler, gentler version of the Borg or the Berserkers.

We also lost the similarly legendary Roger Zelazny who was a long time resident of Santa Fe and most famous for his series referred to as "The Amber Chronicles" I think. Zelazny was also much loved for the writing workshops he taught in the area.

Steve (S.M.) Stirling is another prolific Santa Fe author. He has several collaborators who he publishes with, including the well known name of Anne McCaffrey ("The Ship who Fought). Most of his works are military SF, Post Apocalyptic and Alternate History.   I enjoy the last the most.

Stephen C. Gould and Laura Mixon are perhaps my favorite "writing couple"... Stephen's work hit it "big time" when one of his juvenile novels, "Jumper" was made into a movie (disappointing result as such endeavors often are) a few years ago. They wrote a great collaborative novel together for those here interested in collaborative efforts.   Laura is a very powerful Cyberpunk (my measure of the theme of her work) Author in her own right and collaborator on an Interactive Storytelling engine (Storytron). Laura and/or Stephen might even be members of this or the SFX Discuss list. I hosted them at SFX for a "blender" on interactive storytelling a few years ago.

Walter Jon Williamson is another of my favorites...   His work touches on Cyberpunk (HardWired in particular) but manages to be very highbrow technically despite the lowbrow tropes such as "Space Opera".   I haven't seen anything from him lately, but I'm sure he's still working...

Other SF names from the immediate are that might also be recognized include: Fred Saberhagen, Sage Walker, Patty Nagel, Sally Gwylan ...

And of course, there is the ever-famous annual SF Confention in Albuquerque called the "Bubonicon" after the unfortunate disease, "Bubonic Plague".

Oh, and then of course, we have Doug!

- Steve
A colleague came up today with a book from George R.R. Martin. They say he is the American Tolkien, so I decided to read one of his books, 'Game of Thrones'. Has someone actually met him? He lives in Santa Fe and seems to be cool.

-J.

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Steve Smith

Re: George R.R. Martin

Doug -

Thanks for the honorable mention, Steve!

You are always welcome! I throw those things in just to make sure you read my massive missives to the end (or at least grep for your name!)...

BTW, I'm now qualified to give seminars, workshops, etc. that provide clinical proof of how rapidly your book sales can (will!) fall off a cliff without a pretty aggressive, ongoing marketing plan.

Sorry to hear that, but it is not surprising in these times... have sales gone to zero? Or just asymptotically approaching.

http://www.amazon.com/Second-Cousins-ebook/dp/B004WF4DXE

How's this for aggressive and ongoing marketing? When do I get my agent's commission (2 fingers of Chivas)?

BTW... who IS this Doug Roberts from Rio Grande Ohio?
http://www.amazon.com/Douglas-Roberts/e/B0034PDCYE/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_1

--Doug
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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jochen -

I met George when I used to hang with some of the local (NM) SF authors, I've since dropped out of that crowd.

I also hosted a series of events at LANL during the 1998 Nebula awards... At that event I even met a woman (SF/F Author who claimed to have accidentally started the Society for Creative Anachronism when she invited all of her friends and aquaintences and colleagues to her house in Berkeley to celebrate her recent Masters in Medieval Studies and they all showed up in period costume and weaponry....   I can't remember her name now and could not corroborate her story.

George is a lot like many of the SF/F authors I know... only a bit more successful than most. I found George to be a self-important curmudgeon long before he hit it bigtime (while he was producing the work that he would hit it bigtime with!)... so I can't imagine that has decreased. The Game of Thrones series (even before it got picked up by HBO) was very powerful even though it is not my usual fare. George also initiated and edited a series of collected/themed short stories known as "the Wild Card" stories which in my opinion presaged (or inspired, or informed) the "Heroes" HBO series. These are (I think he's still cranking them out) very good examples of collaborative fiction as well...

We (NM) recently (2006) lost the legendary Jack Williamson at the ripe young age of 98... he came to NM by way of covered wagon just around 1912/statehood (age 4).   He was incredibly prolific right up until his last few years, and managed to get credit for many neologisms from Science Fiction as documented in the Oxford English Dictionary.... including my favorite "contra-terrene" (anti-matter). He also told a great anecdote about being visited by the FBI during the Manhattan project because of one of his stories' reference to "Atom Bombs"... he got them off his back by referring them to a much older (1932?) story with the same ideas... I recommend his first novel in the "Humanoid" Series... I think it was called "With Folded Hands" (what goes awry when you make the perfect robotic servants whose directives are roughly those that Asimov is given credit for... "Allow no human to come to harm"...   taking this to the extreme they became a kindler, gentler version of the Borg or the Berserkers.

We also lost the similarly legendary Roger Zelazny who was a long time resident of Santa Fe and most famous for his series referred to as "The Amber Chronicles" I think. Zelazny was also much loved for the writing workshops he taught in the area.

Steve (S.M.) Stirling is another prolific Santa Fe author. He has several collaborators who he publishes with, including the well known name of Anne McCaffrey ("The Ship who Fought). Most of his works are military SF, Post Apocalyptic and Alternate History.   I enjoy the last the most.

Stephen C. Gould and Laura Mixon are perhaps my favorite "writing couple"... Stephen's work hit it "big time" when one of his juvenile novels, "Jumper" was made into a movie (disappointing result as such endeavors often are) a few years ago. They wrote a great collaborative novel together for those here interested in collaborative efforts.   Laura is a very powerful Cyberpunk (my measure of the theme of her work) Author in her own right and collaborator on an Interactive Storytelling engine (Storytron). Laura and/or Stephen might even be members of this or the SFX Discuss list. I hosted them at SFX for a "blender" on interactive storytelling a few years ago.

Walter Jon Williamson is another of my favorites...   His work touches on Cyberpunk (HardWired in particular) but manages to be very highbrow technically despite the lowbrow tropes such as "Space Opera".   I haven't seen anything from him lately, but I'm sure he's still working...

Other SF names from the immediate are that might also be recognized include: Fred Saberhagen, Sage Walker, Patty Nagel, Sally Gwylan ...

And of course, there is the ever-famous annual SF Confention in Albuquerque called the "Bubonicon" after the unfortunate disease, "Bubonic Plague".

Oh, and then of course, we have Doug!

- Steve
A colleague came up today with a book from George R.R. Martin. They say he is the American Tolkien, so I decided to read one of his books, 'Game of Thrones'. Has someone actually met him? He lives in Santa Fe and seems to be cool.

-J.

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Douglas Roberts-2

Re: George R.R. Martin

Actually (and don't tell anybody) I just leap to the end of your digital missives to, you know, cut to the chase.

Re: rewards for the aggressive on-line advertising: how about after I get back from Blackhat next week. Oops, that weekend is taken. Oops^2, I'll be on the bike in Colorado the following week, August 24th - 27th.

Hmm. The 31st of August is a Friday. And my birthday. Sounds like a good excuse to eat, drink, and etc....

Asymptote City, regarding the shape of the sales curve. I'm still a bit away from selling fractional portions of a book per week, though.

As to that other Doug Roberts. Hmph. Just hmph.

--Doug

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Doug -

Thanks for the honorable mention, Steve!

You are always welcome!   I throw those things in just to make sure you read my massive missives to the end (or at least grep for your name!)...

BTW, I'm now qualified to give seminars, workshops, etc. that provide clinical proof of how rapidly your book sales can (will!) fall off a cliff without a pretty aggressive, ongoing marketing plan.

Sorry to hear that, but it is not surprising in these times... have sales gone to zero? Or just asymptotically approaching.

http://www.amazon.com/Second-Cousins-ebook/dp/B004WF4DXE

How's this for aggressive and ongoing marketing? When do I get my agent's commission (2 fingers of Chivas)?

BTW... who IS this Doug Roberts from Rio Grande Ohio?
    http://www.amazon.com/Douglas-Roberts/e/B0034PDCYE/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_1

--Doug

--
Doug Roberts
[hidden email]
[hidden email]
http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins

<a href="tel:505-455-7333" value="+15054557333" target="_blank">505-455-7333 - Office
<a href="tel:505-670-8195" value="+15056708195" target="_blank">505-670-8195 - Cell

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jochen -

I met George when I used to hang with some of the local (NM) SF authors, I've since dropped out of that crowd.

I also hosted a series of events at LANL during the 1998 Nebula awards... At that event I even met a woman (SF/F Author who claimed to have accidentally started the Society for Creative Anachronism when she invited all of her friends and aquaintences and colleagues to her house in Berkeley to celebrate her recent Masters in Medieval Studies and they all showed up in period costume and weaponry....   I can't remember her name now and could not corroborate her story.

George is a lot like many of the SF/F authors I know... only a bit more successful than most. I found George to be a self-important curmudgeon long before he hit it bigtime (while he was producing the work that he would hit it bigtime with!)... so I can't imagine that has decreased. The Game of Thrones series (even before it got picked up by HBO) was very powerful even though it is not my usual fare. George also initiated and edited a series of collected/themed short stories known as "the Wild Card" stories which in my opinion presaged (or inspired, or informed) the "Heroes" HBO series. These are (I think he's still cranking them out) very good examples of collaborative fiction as well...

We (NM) recently (2006) lost the legendary Jack Williamson at the ripe young age of 98... he came to NM by way of covered wagon just around 1912/statehood (age 4).   He was incredibly prolific right up until his last few years, and managed to get credit for many neologisms from Science Fiction as documented in the Oxford English Dictionary.... including my favorite "contra-terrene" (anti-matter). He also told a great anecdote about being visited by the FBI during the Manhattan project because of one of his stories' reference to "Atom Bombs"... he got them off his back by referring them to a much older (1932?) story with the same ideas... I recommend his first novel in the "Humanoid" Series... I think it was called "With Folded Hands" (what goes awry when you make the perfect robotic servants whose directives are roughly those that Asimov is given credit for... "Allow no human to come to harm"...   taking this to the extreme they became a kindler, gentler version of the Borg or the Berserkers.

We also lost the similarly legendary Roger Zelazny who was a long time resident of Santa Fe and most famous for his series referred to as "The Amber Chronicles" I think. Zelazny was also much loved for the writing workshops he taught in the area.

Steve (S.M.) Stirling is another prolific Santa Fe author. He has several collaborators who he publishes with, including the well known name of Anne McCaffrey ("The Ship who Fought). Most of his works are military SF, Post Apocalyptic and Alternate History.   I enjoy the last the most.

Stephen C. Gould and Laura Mixon are perhaps my favorite "writing couple"... Stephen's work hit it "big time" when one of his juvenile novels, "Jumper" was made into a movie (disappointing result as such endeavors often are) a few years ago. They wrote a great collaborative novel together for those here interested in collaborative efforts.   Laura is a very powerful Cyberpunk (my measure of the theme of her work) Author in her own right and collaborator on an Interactive Storytelling engine (Storytron). Laura and/or Stephen might even be members of this or the SFX Discuss list. I hosted them at SFX for a "blender" on interactive storytelling a few years ago.

Walter Jon Williamson is another of my favorites...   His work touches on Cyberpunk (HardWired in particular) but manages to be very highbrow technically despite the lowbrow tropes such as "Space Opera".   I haven't seen anything from him lately, but I'm sure he's still working...

Other SF names from the immediate are that might also be recognized include: Fred Saberhagen, Sage Walker, Patty Nagel, Sally Gwylan ...

And of course, there is the ever-famous annual SF Confention in Albuquerque called the "Bubonicon" after the unfortunate disease, "Bubonic Plague".

Oh, and then of course, we have Doug!

- Steve

A colleague came up today with a book from George R.R. Martin. They say he is the American Tolkien, so I decided to read one of his books, 'Game of Thrones'. Has someone actually met him? He lives in Santa Fe and seems to be cool.

-J.

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Jochen Fromm-5

Re: George R.R. Martin

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Maybe your book 'second cousins' will find the way to Hollywood someday as well? I guess it was the film that made Martin famous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSPFJcxCNM

-J.

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Douglas Roberts <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks for the honorable mention, Steve!

BTW, I'm now qualified to give seminars, workshops, etc. that provide clinical proof of how rapidly your book sales can (will!) fall off a cliff without a pretty aggressive, ongoing marketing plan.

--Doug

--
Doug Roberts
[hidden email]
[hidden email]

http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins

505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Jochen -

I met George when I used to hang with some of the local (NM) SF authors, I've since dropped out of that crowd.

I also hosted a series of events at LANL during the 1998 Nebula awards... At that event I even met a woman (SF/F Author who claimed to have accidentally started the Society for Creative Anachronism when she invited all of her friends and aquaintences and colleagues to her house in Berkeley to celebrate her recent Masters in Medieval Studies and they all showed up in period costume and weaponry....   I can't remember her name now and could not corroborate her story.

George is a lot like many of the SF/F authors I know... only a bit more successful than most. I found George to be a self-important curmudgeon long before he hit it bigtime (while he was producing the work that he would hit it bigtime with!)... so I can't imagine that has decreased. The Game of Thrones series (even before it got picked up by HBO) was very powerful even though it is not my usual fare. George also initiated and edited a series of collected/themed short stories known as "the Wild Card" stories which in my opinion presaged (or inspired, or informed) the "Heroes" HBO series. These are (I think he's still cranking them out) very good examples of collaborative fiction as well...

We (NM) recently (2006) lost the legendary Jack Williamson at the ripe young age of 98... he came to NM by way of covered wagon just around 1912/statehood (age 4).   He was incredibly prolific right up until his last few years, and managed to get credit for many neologisms from Science Fiction as documented in the Oxford English Dictionary.... including my favorite "contra-terrene" (anti-matter). He also told a great anecdote about being visited by the FBI during the Manhattan project because of one of his stories' reference to "Atom Bombs"... he got them off his back by referring them to a much older (1932?) story with the same ideas... I recommend his first novel in the "Humanoid" Series... I think it was called "With Folded Hands" (what goes awry when you make the perfect robotic servants whose directives are roughly those that Asimov is given credit for... "Allow no human to come to harm"...   taking this to the extreme they became a kindler, gentler version of the Borg or the Berserkers.

We also lost the similarly legendary Roger Zelazny who was a long time resident of Santa Fe and most famous for his series referred to as "The Amber Chronicles" I think. Zelazny was also much loved for the writing workshops he taught in the area.

Steve (S.M.) Stirling is another prolific Santa Fe author. He has several collaborators who he publishes with, including the well known name of Anne McCaffrey ("The Ship who Fought). Most of his works are military SF, Post Apocalyptic and Alternate History.   I enjoy the last the most.

Stephen C. Gould and Laura Mixon are perhaps my favorite "writing couple"... Stephen's work hit it "big time" when one of his juvenile novels, "Jumper" was made into a movie (disappointing result as such endeavors often are) a few years ago. They wrote a great collaborative novel together for those here interested in collaborative efforts.   Laura is a very powerful Cyberpunk (my measure of the theme of her work) Author in her own right and collaborator on an Interactive Storytelling engine (Storytron). Laura and/or Stephen might even be members of this or the SFX Discuss list. I hosted them at SFX for a "blender" on interactive storytelling a few years ago.

Walter Jon Williamson is another of my favorites...   His work touches on Cyberpunk (HardWired in particular) but manages to be very highbrow technically despite the lowbrow tropes such as "Space Opera".   I haven't seen anything from him lately, but I'm sure he's still working...

Other SF names from the immediate are that might also be recognized include: Fred Saberhagen, Sage Walker, Patty Nagel, Sally Gwylan ...

And of course, there is the ever-famous annual SF Confention in Albuquerque called the "Bubonicon" after the unfortunate disease, "Bubonic Plague".

Oh, and then of course, we have Doug!

- Steve
A colleague came up today with a book from George R.R. Martin. They say he is the American Tolkien, so I decided to read one of his books, 'Game of Thrones'. Has someone actually met him? He lives in Santa Fe and seems to be cool.

-J.

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Parks, Raymond

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

I also hosted a series of events at LANL during the 1998 Nebula awards... At that event I even met a woman (SF/F Author who claimed to have accidentally started the Society for Creative Anachronism when she invited all of her friends and aquaintences and colleagues to her house in Berkeley to celebrate her recent Masters in Medieval Studies and they all showed up in period costume and weaponry.... I can't remember her name now and could not corroborate her story.

Marion Zimmer Bradley - and, yes, she did start the SCA. I've got a scanned image of that event announcement.

Steve (S.M.) Stirling is another prolific Santa Fe author.

My personal favourite of his is "The Peshawar Lancers".

Walter Jon Williamson is another of my favorites... His work touches on Cyberpunk (HardWired in particular) but manages to be very highbrow technically despite the lowbrow tropes such as "Space Opera". I haven't seen anything from him lately, but I'm sure he's still working…

He used to play in the SCA - he was a founding member of the Barony of al-Barran. He also runs great RPGs according to those who played (not me) in them.

Other SF names from the immediate are that might also be recognized include: Fred Saberhagen, Sage Walker, Patty Nagel, Sally Gwylan …

I almost bought Stephen Donaldson's (Chronicles of Thomas Covenant) house when I first moved here in 1987. Great passive solar but it had a tiny kitchen - the trend back then was for outdoor cooking, causing my wife to complain, "How do I bake a cake on a barbecue grill?"

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