Fwd: Re: Digital Ecology

[Steve Smith]

OK.. this one got lost in the slush pile...

I know the thread went stale, but it intrigued me (obviously)!

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Subject:	Re: [FRIAM] Digital Ecology
Date:	Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:03:08 -0700
From:	Steve Smith [hidden email]
To:	The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]

Owen -

My digital ecology is more of a digital *swamp*...   A seething mass of digital and analog creatures feeding off of one another, planting roots in eachother's bodies, twining about eachother in search of the light filtering down from the tangled canopy.

 Radios/Miasma:
I inventoried the *digital radios* in my swamp recently and was appalled by how much chatter is going on around me in the 802.11, Bluetooth and GSM space.   I wish I had an RF power meter/spectrum analyzer to make it more real to me.  At any time, a full 7 802.11 radios are buzzing in phones, laptops, all-in-one computer and routers and about 5 Bluetooth devices, and a couple of GSM radios in 900 and 1800 are talking through and around a bidirectional RF amp (cell booster).  There are also a handful of landline handsets and a pair of wireless weather devices chattering as well.  On a bad day, I may have as many as 2-3 extra 802.11 *devices* and 8 MyFi SD cards shooting data over my WiLAN.  So like 20-30 radios all talking over and through each other. 

Fanboi:
I live in a swamp dominated by Apple products... yes, I *am* a Fanboi...  I've been a full-up fan since OSX.   Born and bred to Unix (BSD Style), I was a fan of SunOS, AIX, Mach, IRIX, before Linux came up.   The only Unix derived OS I was never too impressed with was WindowsNT...  go figure.

(semi)Mobile:
 I carry my phone nearly everywhere (spectacles, testicles, wallet, keys, phone, pocket knife, change, belt, corkscrew, etc.) and my laptop nearly as many places...   my wife has a matching laptop (3 year old MacBook Pro) and phone (iPhone4s), making it easier for me to be her tech support.  She also has a tablet and we have a "media" all-in-one (8 year old iMac still going strong) computer sitting within view of the kitchen, dining, living areas (with a little rotation).   All of these are Apple products.   I am a fanboi when it comes to keeping my wife happy and having consumer-grade electronics that work without much ado.  The Apple "ecology" works pretty well for us.  

Center does not hold:
The hub (if a swamp can be said to have a center) for all this is a 2 TB Apple Time Capsule with a couple of extra TB disks hanging off of it, a Linksys router, and two HP all-in-one printer-scanners, one with it's own WiFi.  I also carry about with me several .5-2TB USB drives and a small handful of USB memory sticks as well as a similar handful of SD cards (including 8 with built-in WiFi). 

Cloud:
I maintain several websites on a single ISP in ABQ (Southwest Cyberport) and use Blogger and Flickr for other content in "the cloud".  My router(s) are connected to the big world via a Motorola 900Mhz "Canopy" directional network run by San Ildefonso Pueblo's "Tewacom".

Heavy Lifting:
My work (home office) computers include the aforementioned laptop, and two hot dual-boot PCs (Debian/XP and Scientific Linux/Win7) with onboard RAID.  I access (from time to time) one or more very dense clusters of CPUs and GPUs housed with a collaborator in ABQ.  These change configuration almost weekly, but often include up to a dozen backplanes and over 100 cpus and several dozen GPUs.  They run Scientific Linux.  It sux enough to try to keep the two home-office systems stable and I'm thankful to have a system someone else manages.

Digital Imaging:
My personal photography is mostly done by iPhone4, backed up by my professional Canon DSLR.  My professional work in imaging ranges across many devices starting with The DSLR but also including an array of hacked Canon point-n-shoots (thanks to Tony Giancola) and an array of 32 (now antique, 1.5" block) Sony video cameras.

I have 5 digital projectors which I use from time to time (not including the myriad ones in my alternate work locations)...  a pico, two minis, a short throw 3D, an antique Sharp the size of a .50 cal (wait, it isn't digital on the outside, just on the inside).

In the scrapyard abutted to the swamp I have a gutted Macbook Pro (donor for the 2 my wife and I use daily), 3 gutted/broken iPhone2 and 3, several old school dumb cellphones,  a 12 Macbook , several deprecated Linux PC towers, an Apple Cube, and a whole line of Macs of my wife's Macs going back to a 512 and an SE she got in 1985 and 1987, not to mention her first computer, an IBM XT with a Targa graphics board and Wacom Tablet.  I think that first one cost more than any other computer she has had to date.

Adjoining Lagoons:
This doesn't even include the fact that sometimes I interface the various computers in my Nissan Truck, and my wife's Honda Insight to read out the diagnostics.  I also have a several Arduinos to drive stepper motors and control cameras.   My oscilliscope and multimeters are not digital but I sometimes use the Arduinos to snag their output or drive them in unusual ways, extending my digital swamp upriver into the analog swamp I lived in before I floated downstream (in the last 5-10 years, depending) to a very very digital swamp.   I haven't cracked the case on my wireless thermometers yet... but I have imagined that the (analog) control systems in my home solar systems deserve an upgrade to zigbee or ???...   my swamp will be buzzing with fireflies and cicadas!

Ambient:
If Stephen and I have our way, every light fixture in the house will have an IP or BT address and every .5 sq mm on all walls will be pixel-addessable with light.   Will I saturate the swampy aether miasma with yet-more WiFi or BT or push it all by ethernet over AC or replace my AC star network with a bus DC (power over hdmi?) network...   gah!

Makes me want to wear a tinfoil hat with a long ground strap to a copper stake in the ground!   OK... Glen wins, I *am* my technology!  Geeze, what a sad awareness. 

- Swamp Thing

Our recent conversation on buying a computer made me repeat a mantra I use whenever asked what to buy for a camera, phone, TV, computer and so on: Its The Digital Ecology that matters: what do you do, how does your work/life flow work, what do you care about in terms of these devices.  How do they interact.

I'm often met with skepticism: you cant mean that, your a mac fan-boy, right?  Well, yeah we have a lot of Unix around  .. er Mac OS X.  But I mean a lot more than that.

But when asked a year or so ago about getting a computer, my advice was:

  Mine would be to consider your entire ecology of computational devices: Phones, Cameras, Desktops, Servers/Hosting, Web Services (Google Mail, Cal, Docs), and see them as a whole.  Then see if a change or two makes sense in this larger whole.

I'd like all of us to appreciate just how rich our digital lives are, how full our DE's are.

So I just sat down for <15 minutes typing as fast as I could think about just what our DE includes.  And I bet I'm only fairly standard user.  Most folks that I know use 10x the apps that I do.

So here's what it looks like with LOTS left out, I'm sure.  Let me know what I've forgotten and what you use.

   -- Owen

Digital Ecology:

In terms of "computers", our house has 3 laptops (2 MB, 1 MBA), and a server (Mac mini) which also acts as a desktop.

Our network is 5Gb/s wifi dual radio (guest and home networks) making in-house backups, media sharing, file sharing, screen sharing fairly simple.  For example, my server's screen is available to all the laptops, letting me "administer" its tasks easily (VNC).

We also use ethernet-over-powerline for our TV which has no easy way to put it on the wifi network.  The mini has recently started using an ethernet rather than wifi connection to our wifi base station.

That is because I've recently lost a backup disk, our Time Machine (Mac versioned backups .. "wayback" access to every version of a file during its life).  This prompted me to buy a NAS RAID (Network Attached Storage; Redundant Array of Independent Disks) box for $200 with two 2TB SATA server grade disks.  Total $400 for very reliable in-house storage.

The NAZ as we like to call it is busy 24/7.  I certainly hope the disks are as good as advertised!  2 TB (4TB RAID'ed) is really not as huge as it might seem.  It, being a Linux box, can run a seriously wonderful Transmission torrent web UI, making all the computers in the house able to mange media, see below.

We watch TV.  Never "live".  This has gotten me involved with Torrents which give us access to great video archives: Downton Abbey, Boston Legal, Get Smart, Legend, Mission Impossible, Numb3rs, Secret/Danger Man are our current dramas.  We also use a TiVo for timeshifting current TV shows, mainly ESPN daily sports and talking heads (PTI, Arround the Horn, NFL32), The Chew, Sherlock, this year's Downton Abbey, Eureka, etc.

The TV is feed from cable and the Mac mini.  The latter via a Python pyTiVoX server which transcodes and uploads the torrents to the TiVo.  We also have an Apple TV hooked up to the TV for photos, music, and media.  Both the TV and mini have UPS power protection (Uninterrupted Power Supply), basically enough battery to coast through power surges and be a gentle let-down in case of longer power outage.

Dropbox is used on all but one of the computers, making internet backup natural.  It provides a folder that is constantly sync'ed between computers .. and phones and tablets.  Arq is now used to backup onto AWS S3 for "archival" media such as our picture collection.

Mobile devices include GSM capable iPads and iPhones (GSM for travel and SIMs).  The iPad (Dede's) having cellular networking has been quite useful in Italy. Most mobile devices have kindle apps .. and we have a 1st gen kindle which still gets used due to its hugely long batter lifetime and internal cellular network.

Dede lately bought a wireless phone system (VTech) which allows bluetooth access to our cell phones.  Thus when we get a cell phone call, our house phones can answer the call.  It has the ability to download our contact lists, both Google and Mac and "speaks" the caller's name receiving a call.

Our cloud usage is primarily for music (iTunes match) and photos (AWS), as well as Google docs (Google Drive).  But now it is also being an archival backup (for photos now) and likely more in the future. And Dropbox is just amazing for having all your daily files everywhere.

Chrome is part of this as well.  It's sync features have made it possible to have my three systems be identical.

Recent android/ios apps have started invading my old Taurus car.  Stitcher, a mobile app, makes any podcast available trivially w/o docking with computers .. its all internet based.  So while driving, I listen to the usual news programs, as well as 4 italian news shows .. all piped via the phone into the car's radio.

Books are really getting into the act lately.  Tech books, which grow out of date quickly, are entirely digital, via OReilly and a host of other digital publishers who provide not only the book (.mobi, .epub, .apk, .pdf), but periodic updates with each new "printing".  This has made reader apps important on the iPads.

Skype is important as well, we take weekly Italian classes with our teachers in Italy.  Naturally its used for "business" as well.

GitHub has started to be an important collaboration with us .. working with SimTable, Redfsih and Northwestern University on AgentScript, a JavaScript Everywhere approach to Agent Based Modeling.

    https://github.com/backspaces/agentscript

Git has been quite a surprise, being very effective as a local versioned file system and a remote repository for collaboration.

A TextDrive/Joyent web host provides blog and file sharing, and a good developer site for trying new Javascript technologies.  It's login is completely public key cryptology thus avoiding password exposure.  Ditto for the local mini so that it can be accessed from the internet w/o passwords, only keys.

Our name services and registrars (NameCheap/RegisterGo/Joyent) let us use "backspaces.net" even though we're using cybermesa and gmail for mail and a variety of services for other backspaces branded access.  Having our own name makes changes in ISPs etc transparent.

OSX has been a nice surprise.  It comes with ruby, python, c/c++, /usr/bin, bash, /usr/local all built in along with Apache for local web use.  It is trivial to have a node.js server, a command-line JavaScript/CoffeeScript shell.  I may be extreme, but my bashrc/profile has over 100 custom commands:

    Home|~/ebooks[713]: typeset -f | grep '()' | wc

         111     222    1052

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[Russell Standish]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 03:53:08PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote:
> The only Unix derived OS I was never too impressed
> with was WindowsNT...  go figure.

Maybe because its not Unix derived. Its ancestor was VMS, a competitor
to unix put out by Digital, and popular in the 1980s.

This can be seen in the name W(indows)NT, which is "one step after VMS" (in
the alphabetic sense, a play on Stanley Kubrik's HAL, being one step
ahead of IBM.

Cheers

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[Douglas Roberts-2]

Well, that certainly explains the *other* reason I hated NT.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Russell Standish <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 03:53:08PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote:
> The only Unix derived OS I was never too impressed
> with was WindowsNT...  go figure.

Maybe because its not Unix derived. Its ancestor was VMS, a competitor
to unix put out by Digital, and popular in the 1980s.

This can be seen in the name W(indows)NT, which is "one step after VMS" (in
the alphabetic sense, a play on Stanley Kubrik's HAL, being one step
ahead of IBM.

Cheers

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[Steve Smith]

Oops... I'm remembering the revolutionary notion that MS would adopt
POSIX which was a nod or interfacing standard to Unix, though not
derived from.   I think the connection with VMS was entirely apocryphal?

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 03:53:08PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote:
>> The only Unix derived OS I was never too impressed
>> with was WindowsNT...  go figure.
> Maybe because its not Unix derived. Its ancestor was VMS, a competitor
> to unix put out by Digital, and popular in the 1980s.
>
> This can be seen in the name W(indows)NT, which is "one step after VMS" (in
> the alphabetic sense, a play on Stanley Kubrik's HAL, being one step
> ahead of IBM.
>
> Cheers
>

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[Russell Standish]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 08:09:09PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote:
> Oops... I'm remembering the revolutionary notion that MS would adopt
> POSIX which was a nod or interfacing standard to Unix, though not
> derived from.

They did get some minimal posix compliance by means of an add-on
environment, which enabled them to bid for tenders with a posix
requirement, but as anyone knows from practice, its not so easy to
use.

These days, you do far better using the open source Cygwin platform
(created by RedHat), to get a (sort of) posix compliance on
Windows. Its pretty good, and makes using Windows bearable, but still
has numerous "gotchas". There's my blog on the topic, for instance:

http://www.hpcoders.com.au/blog/?p=29

Cheers

>  I think the connection with VMS was entirely
> apocryphal?

Not sure. I believe they did hire all the VMS engineers when Compaq
bought Digital, but I assume they reimplemented the kernel, rather
than just stealing the code :).


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[Marcus G. Daniels]

On 2/5/13 8:52 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
>
> These days, you do far better using the open source Cygwin platform
> (created by RedHat), to get a (sort of) posix compliance on
> Windows. Its pretty good, and makes using Windows bearable, but still
> has numerous "gotchas".

Cygwin has cross compiler packages mingw32 & mingw64.  The resulting
executables are not second class citizens.

But, if you just want it to develop Windows programs, better yet use
VMWare, etc. and cross compile from Linux into a shared Windows
workspace.  Fedora 18, for example, has tons (below) of prepared
libraries, and the windows emulator Wine too.

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mingw64-enchant-static.noarch          1.6.0-7.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-expat.noarch                   2.1.0-3.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-expat-static.noarch            2.1.0-3.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-filesystem.noarch              97-1.fc18                      
updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
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updates
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updates
mingw64-gcc-gfortran.x86_64            4.7.2-7.fc18                    
updates
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updates
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
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updates
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
mingw64-libsq3.noarch                  20071018-17.fc18                
fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
mingw64-orc-compiler.noarch            0.4.16-2.fc18                  
fedora
mingw64-p11-kit.noarch                 0.14-1.fc18                    
updates
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updates
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updates
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fedora
mingw64-pcre.noarch                    8.31-1.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-pdcurses.noarch                3.4-13.fc18                    
fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
mingw64-qt-qmake.x86_64                4.8.4-1.fc18                    
updates
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updates
mingw64-qt-tools.noarch                4.8.4-1.fc18                    
updates
mingw64-qwt.noarch                     6.0.1-1.fc18                    
fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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updates
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updates
mingw64-spice-gtk-static.noarch        0.16-2.fc18                    
updates
mingw64-spice-gtk3.noarch              0.16-2.fc18                    
updates
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updates
mingw64-sqlite.noarch                  3.7.13-1.fc18                  
fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
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fedora
mingw64-usbredir.noarch                0.5.2-1.fc18                    
updates
mingw64-usbredir-static.noarch         0.5.2-1.fc18                    
updates
mingw64-webkitgtk.noarch               1.10.2-1.fc18                  
updates
mingw64-webkitgtk-static.noarch        1.10.2-1.fc18                  
updates
mingw64-webkitgtk3.noarch              1.10.2-1.fc18                  
updates
mingw64-win-iconv.noarch               0.0.4-1.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-win-iconv-static.noarch        0.0.4-1.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-wine-gecko.noarch              1.8-1.fc18                      
fedora
mingw64-wpcap.noarch                   4.1.final2-10.fc18              
fedora
mingw64-wxWidgets.noarch               2.8.12-12.fc18                  
fedora
mingw64-wxWidgets-static.noarch        2.8.12-12.fc18                  
fedora
mingw64-xz.noarch                      5.1.2-2alpha.fc18              
fedora
mingw64-xz-libs.noarch                 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18              
fedora
mingw64-xz-libs-static.noarch          5.1.2-2alpha.fc18              
fedora
mingw64-zfstream.noarch                20041202-15.fc18                
fedora
mingw64-zlib.noarch                    1.2.7-1.fc18                    
fedora
mingw64-zlib-static.noarch             1.2.7-1.fc18                    
fedora

Marcus

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[Douglas Roberts-2]

Yuk. I'd rather make the customer use Linux.

On Feb 5, 2013 9:08 PM, "Marcus G. Daniels" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 2/5/13 8:52 PM, Russell Standish wrote:

These days, you do far better using the open source Cygwin platform
(created by RedHat), to get a (sort of) posix compliance on
Windows. Its pretty good, and makes using Windows bearable, but still
has numerous "gotchas".

Cygwin has cross compiler packages mingw32 & mingw64.  The resulting executables are not second class citizens.

But, if you just want it to develop Windows programs, better yet use VMWare, etc. and cross compile from Linux into a shared Windows workspace.  Fedora 18, for example, has tons (below) of prepared libraries, and the windows emulator Wine too.

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mingw-filesystem-base.noarch           97-1.fc18                       updates
mingw-w64-tools.x86_64                 2.0.999-0.4.trunk.20120124.fc18 fedora
mingw32-SDL.noarch                     1.2.15-2.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-SDL_image.noarch               1.2.12-7.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-SDL_mixer.noarch               1.2.12-2.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-antlr.noarch                   2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-antlr-static.noarch            2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-atk.noarch                     2.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-atk-static.noarch              2.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-atkmm.noarch                   2.22.6-5.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-binutils.x86_64                2.23.1-2.fc18                   updates
mingw32-boost.noarch                   1.50.0-1.fc18                   updates
mingw32-boost-static.noarch            1.50.0-1.fc18                   updates
mingw32-bsdcpio.noarch                 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-bsdtar.noarch                  3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-bzip2.noarch                   1.0.6-2.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-bzip2-static.noarch            1.0.6-2.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-cairo.noarch                   1.12.10-1.fc18                  updates
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mingw32-xerces-c.noarch                3.1.1-6.fc18                    fedora
mingw32-xz.noarch                      5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
mingw32-xz-libs.noarch                 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
mingw32-xz-libs-static.noarch          5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
mingw32-zfstream.noarch                20041202-15.fc18                fedora
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mingw64-SDL.noarch                     1.2.15-2.fc18                   fedora
mingw64-SDL_image.noarch               1.2.12-7.fc18                   fedora
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mingw64-antlr.noarch                   2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
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mingw64-celt051.noarch                 0.5.1.3-10.fc18                 fedora
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mingw64-clucene.noarch                 2.3.3.4-5.fc18                  fedora
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mingw64-cximage.noarch                 600-7.fc18                      fedora
mingw64-cximage-static.noarch          600-7.fc18                      fedora
mingw64-dbus.noarch                    1.6.8-1.fc18                    fedora
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mingw64-dbus-glib-static.noarch        0.100-4.fc18                    updates
mingw64-dbus-static.noarch             1.6.8-1.fc18                    fedora
mingw64-dlfcn.noarch                   0-0.14.r11.fc18                 fedora
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mingw64-gstreamer-plugins-bad-free.noarch
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mingw64-win-iconv.noarch               0.0.4-1.fc18                    fedora
mingw64-win-iconv-static.noarch        0.0.4-1.fc18                    fedora
mingw64-wine-gecko.noarch              1.8-1.fc18                      fedora
mingw64-wpcap.noarch                   4.1.final2-10.fc18              fedora
mingw64-wxWidgets.noarch               2.8.12-12.fc18                  fedora
mingw64-wxWidgets-static.noarch        2.8.12-12.fc18                  fedora
mingw64-xz.noarch                      5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
mingw64-xz-libs.noarch                 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
mingw64-xz-libs-static.noarch          5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
mingw64-zfstream.noarch                20041202-15.fc18                fedora
mingw64-zlib.noarch                    1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
mingw64-zlib-static.noarch             1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora

Marcus

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[Steve Smith]

I've always had Cygwin installed on any Windows machine (or partition)
just so I could utter things at a terminal window like "ls" and "cd"
instead of "dir" and ???, and use stream pipes and redirects and  even
use the (completely natural '/' instead of '\' path separators!)

> On 2/5/13 8:52 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
>>
>> These days, you do far better using the open source Cygwin platform
>> (created by RedHat), to get a (sort of) posix compliance on
>> Windows. Its pretty good, and makes using Windows bearable, but still
>> has numerous "gotchas".
>
> Cygwin has cross compiler packages mingw32 & mingw64.  The resulting
> executables are not second class citizens.
>
> But, if you just want it to develop Windows programs, better yet use
> VMWare, etc. and cross compile from Linux into a shared Windows
> workspace.  Fedora 18, for example, has tons (below) of prepared
> libraries, and the windows emulator Wine too.
>
> mingw-binutils-generic.x86_64 2.23.1-2.fc18                   updates
> mingw-filesystem-base.noarch 97-1.fc18                       updates
> mingw-w64-tools.x86_64 2.0.999-0.4.trunk.20120124.fc18 fedora
> mingw32-SDL.noarch 1.2.15-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-SDL_image.noarch 1.2.12-7.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-SDL_mixer.noarch 1.2.12-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-antlr.noarch 2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-antlr-static.noarch 2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-atk.noarch 2.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-atk-static.noarch 2.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-atkmm.noarch 2.22.6-5.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-binutils.x86_64 2.23.1-2.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-boost.noarch 1.50.0-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-boost-static.noarch 1.50.0-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-bsdcpio.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-bsdtar.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-bzip2.noarch 1.0.6-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-bzip2-static.noarch 1.0.6-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-cairo.noarch 1.12.10-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw32-cairo-static.noarch 1.12.10-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw32-cairomm.noarch 1.10.0-8.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-cairomm-static.noarch 1.10.0-8.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-celt051.noarch 0.5.1.3-10.fc18                 fedora
> mingw32-celt051-static.noarch 0.5.1.3-10.fc18                 fedora
> mingw32-clucene.noarch 2.3.3.4-5.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-cpp.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-cppunit.noarch 1.12.1-10.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-crossreport.noarch 8-3.fc18                        fedora
> mingw32-crt.noarch 2.0.999-0.15.trunk.20121110.fc18
> mingw32-curl.noarch 7.28.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-curl-static.noarch 7.28.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-cximage.noarch 600-7.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-cximage-static.noarch 600-7.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-cxxtest.noarch 3.10.1-10.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-dbus.noarch 1.6.8-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-dbus-glib.noarch 0.100-4.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-dbus-glib-static.noarch 0.100-4.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-dbus-static.noarch 1.6.8-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-dirac.noarch 1.0.2-9.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-dlfcn.noarch 0-0.14.r11.fc18                 fedora
> mingw32-dlfcn-static.noarch 0-0.14.r11.fc18                 fedora
> mingw32-enchant.noarch 1.6.0-7.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-enchant-static.noarch 1.6.0-7.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-expat.noarch 2.1.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-expat-static.noarch 2.1.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-filesystem.noarch 97-1.fc18                       updates
> mingw32-fontconfig.noarch 2.10.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-fontconfig-static.noarch 2.10.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-freeglut.noarch 2.8.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-freetype.noarch 2.4.11-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-freetype-static.noarch 2.4.11-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-ftplib.noarch 3.1-6.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-gcc.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-gcc-c++.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-gcc-gfortran.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-gcc-objc.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-gcc-objc++.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-gdb.noarch 7.5.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gdbm.noarch 1.10-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-gdbm-static.noarch 1.10-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-gdk-pixbuf.noarch 2.26.4-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-gettext.noarch 0.18.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-gettext-static.noarch 0.18.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-glib-networking.noarch 2.34.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-glib2.noarch 2.34.3-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-glib2-static.noarch 2.34.3-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-glibmm24.noarch 2.34.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-glibmm24-static.noarch 2.34.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-gmp.noarch 5.0.5-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gnutls.noarch 2.12.21-2.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-goocanvas2.noarch 2.0.1-5.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gsl.noarch 1.15-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-gsl-static.noarch 1.15-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-gstreamer.noarch 0.10.36-2.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-gstreamer-plugins-bad-free.noarch
> mingw32-gstreamer-plugins-base.noarch 0.10.36-2.fc18                  
> fedora
> mingw32-gstreamer-plugins-good.noarch 0.10.31-7.fc18                  
> fedora
> mingw32-gtk-vnc.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gtk-vnc2.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gtk2.noarch 2.24.14-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw32-gtk2-static.noarch 2.24.14-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw32-gtk3.noarch 3.6.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gtkhtml3.noarch 4.4.0-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gtkhtml3-static.noarch 4.4.0-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gtkmm24.noarch 2.24.2-7.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-gtkmm30.noarch 3.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gtksourceview3.noarch 3.6.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gvnc.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-gvnc-tools.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-harfbuzz.noarch 0.9.9-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-harfbuzz-static.noarch 0.9.9-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-headers.noarch 2.0.999-0.15.trunk.20121110.fc18
> mingw32-hunspell.noarch 1.3.2-8.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-hunspell-static.noarch 1.3.2-8.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-icu.noarch 4.8.1.1-6.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-jasper.noarch 1.900.1-20.fc18                 fedora
> mingw32-jasper-static.noarch 1.900.1-20.fc18                 fedora
> mingw32-lcms.noarch 1.19-3.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-lcms-static.noarch 1.19-3.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-lcms2.noarch 2.4-1.fc18                      updates
> mingw32-lcms2-static.noarch 2.4-1.fc18                      updates
> mingw32-libarchive.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libarchive-static.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libffi.noarch 3.0.11-0.4.rc2.fc18             fedora
> mingw32-libffi-static.noarch 3.0.11-0.4.rc2.fc18             fedora
> mingw32-libgcrypt.noarch 1.5.0-6.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-libgcrypt-static.noarch 1.5.0-6.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-libgeotiff.noarch 1.3.0-0.7.svn1664.fc18          fedora
> mingw32-libglade2.noarch 2.6.4-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libglade2-static.noarch 2.6.4-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libglademm24.noarch 2.6.7-16.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libgnurx.noarch 2.5.1-13.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libgnurx-static.noarch 2.5.1-13.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libgomp.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-libgpg-error.noarch 1.10-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-libgpg-error-static.noarch 1.10-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-libgsf.noarch 1.14.25-1.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-libgsf-static.noarch 1.14.25-1.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-libidn.noarch 1.25-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-libidn-static.noarch 1.25-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-libjpeg-turbo.noarch 1.2.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libjpeg-turbo-static.noarch 1.2.1-1.fc18                    
> fedora
> mingw32-libltdl.noarch 2.4-7.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-libogg.noarch 1.3.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-liboil.noarch 0.3.16-7.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libosinfo.noarch 0.2.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libpng.noarch 1.5.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libpng-static.noarch 1.5.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libsigc++20.noarch 2.2.11-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libsigc++20-static.noarch 2.2.11-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libsigsegv.noarch 2.6-6.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-libsoup.noarch 2.40.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libsoup-static.noarch 2.40.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libsq3.noarch 20071018-17.fc18                fedora
> mingw32-libsqlite3x.noarch 20071018-17.fc18                fedora
> mingw32-libssh2.noarch 1.4.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libssh2-static.noarch 1.4.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libtasn1.noarch 2.14-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-libtiff.noarch 4.0.3-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libtiff-static.noarch 4.0.3-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libusbx.noarch 1.0.11-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libusbx-static.noarch 1.0.11-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libvirt.noarch 0.10.2-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libvirt-gconfig.noarch 0.1.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libvirt-glib.noarch 0.1.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libvirt-gobject.noarch 0.1.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libvirt-static.noarch 0.10.2-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libvorbis.noarch 1.3.3-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libxml++.noarch 2.36.0-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libxml2.noarch 2.9.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libxml2-static.noarch 2.9.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-libxslt.noarch 1.1.28-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libxslt-static.noarch 1.1.28-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-libzip.noarch 0.9-8.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-llvm.noarch 3.0-5.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-llvm-static.noarch 3.0-5.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-matahari.noarch 0.5.0-1.fc18.5                  fedora
> mingw32-minizip.noarch 1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-nettle.noarch 2.4-2.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-nsis.x86_64 2.46-8.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-nsiswrapper.noarch 9-4.fc18                        fedora
> mingw32-openjpeg.noarch 1.3-10.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-openssl.noarch 1.0.1c-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-openssl-static.noarch 1.0.1c-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-orc.noarch 0.4.16-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-orc-compiler.noarch 0.4.16-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-p11-kit.noarch 0.14-1.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-pango.noarch 1.32.5-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-pango-static.noarch 1.32.5-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-pangomm.noarch 2.28.4-4.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-pcre.noarch 8.31-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-pdcurses.noarch 3.4-13.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-pixman.noarch 0.26.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-pixman-static.noarch 0.26.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-pkg-config.x86_64 0.27-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw32-plotmm.noarch 0.1.2-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-polyclipping.noarch 5.0.3-3.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-portablexdr.noarch 4.9.1-9.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-portablexdr-static.noarch 4.9.1-9.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-proj.noarch 4.6.1-9.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-pthreads.noarch 2.8.0-22.20110511cvs.fc18       fedora
> mingw32-pthreads-static.noarch 2.8.0-22.20110511cvs.fc18       fedora
> mingw32-qpid-cpp.noarch 0.14-5.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-qt.noarch 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-qt-qmake.x86_64 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-qt-static.noarch 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-qt-tools.noarch 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-qwt.noarch 6.0.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-readline.noarch 6.2-1.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-readline-static.noarch 6.2-1.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-sigar.noarch 1.6.5-0.9.git58097d9.fc18       fedora
> mingw32-spice-glib.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-spice-gtk.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-spice-gtk-static.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-spice-gtk3.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw32-spice-protocol.noarch 0.12.2-2.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-sqlite.noarch 3.7.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-sqlite-static.noarch 3.7.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-srvany.noarch 1.0-9.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-tcl.noarch 8.5.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-termcap.noarch 1.3.1-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-termcap-static.noarch 1.3.1-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw32-tk.noarch 8.5.9-7.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-usbredir.noarch 0.5.2-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-usbredir-static.noarch 0.5.2-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw32-webkitgtk.noarch 1.10.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-webkitgtk-static.noarch 1.10.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-webkitgtk3.noarch 1.10.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw32-win-iconv.noarch 0.0.4-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-win-iconv-static.noarch 0.0.4-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-wine-gecko.noarch 1.8-1.fc18                      fedora
> mingw32-wpcap.noarch 4.1.final2-10.fc18              fedora
> mingw32-wpcap-docs.noarch 4.1.final2-10.fc18              fedora
> mingw32-wpcap-examples.noarch 4.1.final2-10.fc18              fedora
> mingw32-wxWidgets.noarch 2.8.12-12.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-wxWidgets-static.noarch 2.8.12-12.fc18                  fedora
> mingw32-xerces-c.noarch 3.1.1-6.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-xz.noarch 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
> mingw32-xz-libs.noarch 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
> mingw32-xz-libs-static.noarch 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
> mingw32-zfstream.noarch 20041202-15.fc18                fedora
> mingw32-zlib.noarch 1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw32-zlib-static.noarch 1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-SDL.noarch 1.2.15-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-SDL_image.noarch 1.2.12-7.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-SDL_mixer.noarch 1.2.12-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-antlr.noarch 2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-antlr-static.noarch 2.7.7-10.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-atk.noarch 2.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-atk-static.noarch 2.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-atkmm.noarch 2.22.6-5.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-binutils.x86_64 2.23.1-2.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-boost.noarch 1.50.0-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-boost-static.noarch 1.50.0-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-bsdcpio.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-bsdtar.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-bzip2.noarch 1.0.6-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-bzip2-static.noarch 1.0.6-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-cairo.noarch 1.12.10-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw64-cairo-static.noarch 1.12.10-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw64-cairomm.noarch 1.10.0-8.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-cairomm-static.noarch 1.10.0-8.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-celt051.noarch 0.5.1.3-10.fc18                 fedora
> mingw64-celt051-static.noarch 0.5.1.3-10.fc18                 fedora
> mingw64-clucene.noarch 2.3.3.4-5.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-cpp.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-crt.noarch 2.0.999-0.15.trunk.20121110.fc18
> mingw64-curl.noarch 7.28.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-curl-static.noarch 7.28.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-cximage.noarch 600-7.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-cximage-static.noarch 600-7.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-dbus.noarch 1.6.8-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-dbus-glib.noarch 0.100-4.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-dbus-glib-static.noarch 0.100-4.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-dbus-static.noarch 1.6.8-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-dlfcn.noarch 0-0.14.r11.fc18                 fedora
> mingw64-dlfcn-static.noarch 0-0.14.r11.fc18                 fedora
> mingw64-enchant.noarch 1.6.0-7.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-enchant-static.noarch 1.6.0-7.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-expat.noarch 2.1.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-expat-static.noarch 2.1.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-filesystem.noarch 97-1.fc18                       updates
> mingw64-fontconfig.noarch 2.10.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-fontconfig-static.noarch 2.10.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-freeglut.noarch 2.8.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-freetype.noarch 2.4.11-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-freetype-static.noarch 2.4.11-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-gcc.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-gcc-c++.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-gcc-gfortran.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-gcc-objc.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-gcc-objc++.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-gdb.noarch 7.5.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gdbm.noarch 1.10-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-gdbm-static.noarch 1.10-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-gdk-pixbuf.noarch 2.26.4-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-gettext.noarch 0.18.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-gettext-static.noarch 0.18.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-glib-networking.noarch 2.34.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-glib2.noarch 2.34.3-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-glib2-static.noarch 2.34.3-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-glibmm24.noarch 2.34.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-glibmm24-static.noarch 2.34.1-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-gmp.noarch 5.0.5-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gnutls.noarch 2.12.21-2.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-goocanvas2.noarch 2.0.1-5.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gsl.noarch 1.15-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-gsl-static.noarch 1.15-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-gstreamer.noarch 0.10.36-2.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-gstreamer-plugins-bad-free.noarch
> mingw64-gstreamer-plugins-base.noarch 0.10.36-2.fc18                  
> fedora
> mingw64-gstreamer-plugins-good.noarch 0.10.31-7.fc18                  
> fedora
> mingw64-gtk-vnc.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gtk-vnc2.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gtk2.noarch 2.24.14-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw64-gtk2-static.noarch 2.24.14-1.fc18                  updates
> mingw64-gtk3.noarch 3.6.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gtkhtml3.noarch 4.4.0-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gtkhtml3-static.noarch 4.4.0-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gtkmm24.noarch 2.24.2-7.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-gtkmm30.noarch 3.6.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gtksourceview3.noarch 3.6.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gvnc.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-gvnc-tools.noarch 0.5.1-2.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-harfbuzz.noarch 0.9.9-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-harfbuzz-static.noarch 0.9.9-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-headers.noarch 2.0.999-0.15.trunk.20121110.fc18
> mingw64-hunspell.noarch 1.3.2-8.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-hunspell-static.noarch 1.3.2-8.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-icu.noarch 4.8.1.1-6.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-jasper.noarch 1.900.1-20.fc18                 fedora
> mingw64-jasper-static.noarch 1.900.1-20.fc18                 fedora
> mingw64-lcms.noarch 1.19-3.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-lcms-static.noarch 1.19-3.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-lcms2.noarch 2.4-1.fc18                      updates
> mingw64-lcms2-static.noarch 2.4-1.fc18                      updates
> mingw64-libarchive.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libarchive-static.noarch 3.0.4-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libffi.noarch 3.0.11-0.4.rc2.fc18             fedora
> mingw64-libffi-static.noarch 3.0.11-0.4.rc2.fc18             fedora
> mingw64-libgcrypt.noarch 1.5.0-6.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-libgcrypt-static.noarch 1.5.0-6.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-libglade2.noarch 2.6.4-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libglade2-static.noarch 2.6.4-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libgnurx.noarch 2.5.1-13.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libgnurx-static.noarch 2.5.1-13.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libgomp.x86_64 4.7.2-7.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-libgpg-error.noarch 1.10-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-libgpg-error-static.noarch 1.10-3.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-libgsf.noarch 1.14.25-1.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-libgsf-static.noarch 1.14.25-1.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-libidn.noarch 1.25-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-libidn-static.noarch 1.25-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-libjpeg-turbo.noarch 1.2.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libjpeg-turbo-static.noarch 1.2.1-1.fc18                    
> fedora
> mingw64-libogg.noarch 1.3.0-3.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libosinfo.noarch 0.2.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libpng.noarch 1.5.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libpng-static.noarch 1.5.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libsigc++20.noarch 2.2.11-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libsigc++20-static.noarch 2.2.11-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libsoup.noarch 2.40.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libsoup-static.noarch 2.40.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libsq3.noarch 20071018-17.fc18                fedora
> mingw64-libsqlite3x.noarch 20071018-17.fc18                fedora
> mingw64-libssh2.noarch 1.4.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libssh2-static.noarch 1.4.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libtasn1.noarch 2.14-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-libtiff.noarch 4.0.3-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libtiff-static.noarch 4.0.3-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libusbx.noarch 1.0.11-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libusbx-static.noarch 1.0.11-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libvirt.noarch 0.10.2-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libvirt-gconfig.noarch 0.1.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libvirt-glib.noarch 0.1.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libvirt-gobject.noarch 0.1.2-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libvirt-static.noarch 0.10.2-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libvorbis.noarch 1.3.3-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libxml++.noarch 2.36.0-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libxml2.noarch 2.9.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libxml2-static.noarch 2.9.0-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-libxslt.noarch 1.1.28-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libxslt-static.noarch 1.1.28-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-libzip.noarch 0.9-8.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-minizip.noarch 1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-nettle.noarch 2.4-2.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-openssl.noarch 1.0.1c-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-openssl-static.noarch 1.0.1c-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-orc.noarch 0.4.16-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-orc-compiler.noarch 0.4.16-2.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-p11-kit.noarch 0.14-1.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-pango.noarch 1.32.5-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-pango-static.noarch 1.32.5-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-pangomm.noarch 2.28.4-4.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-pcre.noarch 8.31-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-pdcurses.noarch 3.4-13.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-pixman.noarch 0.26.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-pixman-static.noarch 0.26.2-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-pkg-config.x86_64 0.27-1.fc18                     fedora
> mingw64-polyclipping.noarch 5.0.3-3.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-portablexdr.noarch 4.9.1-9.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-portablexdr-static.noarch 4.9.1-9.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-pthreads.noarch 2.8.0-22.20110511cvs.fc18       fedora
> mingw64-pthreads-static.noarch 2.8.0-22.20110511cvs.fc18       fedora
> mingw64-qpid-cpp.noarch 0.14-5.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-qt.noarch 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-qt-qmake.x86_64 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-qt-static.noarch 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-qt-tools.noarch 4.8.4-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-qwt.noarch 6.0.1-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-readline.noarch 6.2-1.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-readline-static.noarch 6.2-1.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-spice-glib.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-spice-gtk.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-spice-gtk-static.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-spice-gtk3.noarch 0.16-2.fc18                     updates
> mingw64-spice-protocol.noarch 0.12.2-2.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-sqlite.noarch 3.7.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-sqlite-static.noarch 3.7.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-tcl.noarch 8.5.13-1.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-termcap.noarch 1.3.1-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-termcap-static.noarch 1.3.1-14.fc18                   fedora
> mingw64-usbredir.noarch 0.5.2-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-usbredir-static.noarch 0.5.2-1.fc18                    updates
> mingw64-webkitgtk.noarch 1.10.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-webkitgtk-static.noarch 1.10.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-webkitgtk3.noarch 1.10.2-1.fc18                   updates
> mingw64-win-iconv.noarch 0.0.4-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-win-iconv-static.noarch 0.0.4-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-wine-gecko.noarch 1.8-1.fc18                      fedora
> mingw64-wpcap.noarch 4.1.final2-10.fc18              fedora
> mingw64-wxWidgets.noarch 2.8.12-12.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-wxWidgets-static.noarch 2.8.12-12.fc18                  fedora
> mingw64-xz.noarch 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
> mingw64-xz-libs.noarch 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
> mingw64-xz-libs-static.noarch 5.1.2-2alpha.fc18               fedora
> mingw64-zfstream.noarch 20041202-15.fc18                fedora
> mingw64-zlib.noarch 1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
> mingw64-zlib-static.noarch 1.2.7-1.fc18                    fedora
>
> Marcus
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[Douglas Roberts-2]

Fortunately, I've usually been able export all project file systems to our < sigh> Windows users with Samba. That way I could do useful work there using Linux.

On Feb 5, 2013 9:13 PM, "Steve Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've always had Cygwin installed on any Windows machine (or partition) just so I could utter things at a terminal window like "ls" and "cd" instead of "dir" and ???, and use stream pipes and redirects and  even use the (completely natural '/' instead of '\' path separators!)

On 2/5/13 8:52 PM, Russell Standish wrote:

These days, you do far better using the open source Cygwin platform
(created by RedHat), to get a (sort of) posix compliance on
Windows. Its pretty good, and makes using Windows bearable, but still
has numerous "gotchas".

Cygwin has cross compiler packages mingw32 & mingw64.  The resulting executables are not second class citizens.

But, if you just want it to develop Windows programs, better yet use VMWare, etc. and cross compile from Linux into a shared Windows workspace.  Fedora 18, for example, has tons (below) of prepared libraries, and the windows emulator Wine too.

mingw-binutils-generic.x86_64 2.23.1-2.fc18                   updates
mingw-filesystem-base.noarch 97-1.fc18                       updates
mingw-w64-tools.x86_64 2.0.999-0.4.trunk.20120124.fc18 fedora
mingw32-SDL.noarch 1.2.15-2.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-SDL_image.noarch 1.2.12-7.fc18                   fedora
mingw32-SDL_mixer.noarch 1.2.12-2.fc18                   fedora
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[Steve Smith]

Russel -

I only recently realized that *you* were the author of "Theory of
Nothing"...   my wife brought home a copy (she is the consummate
hunter-gatherer of books) and I saw your name on it.  I must have read
it when it was first published (6 years ago or so?) but lost track of
the copy...

When you posted here, it made me think to follow up and surely enough!

Very interesting work!  Your use of the concepts of Syntactic and
Semantic languages applied to physics models and it's relevance to
emergence was worth the price of entry (free to me, but you get the
point) by itself!   I don't remember you weighing in when Nick was
holding his weekly discussion group on Emergence, but this would have
been helpful IMO!

- Steve

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[Russell Standish]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 09:19:28PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote:

> Russel -
>
> I only recently realized that *you* were the author of "Theory of
> Nothing"...   my wife brought home a copy (she is the consummate
> hunter-gatherer of books) and I saw your name on it.  I must have
> read it when it was first published (6 years ago or so?) but lost
> track of the copy...
>
> When you posted here, it made me think to follow up and surely enough!
>
> Very interesting work!  Your use of the concepts of Syntactic and
> Semantic languages applied to physics models and it's relevance to
> emergence was worth the price of entry (free to me, but you get the
> point) by itself!   I don't remember you weighing in when Nick was
> holding his weekly discussion group on Emergence, but this would
> have been helpful IMO!
>

I did post a few times to the emergence discussion group, but alas
didn't find to time required to do the essential reading of the tomes
discussing emergence, so eventually had to skip the discussion.

I have come to a particular view on complexity and emergence, through
using it in my studies of complex systems, rather than reading the
copious literature on the subject. If I had done the latter, I'm sure
I would have been lost in the mire of contradictory definitions and
positions. So I'm quite sure, that what I've published is not
particularly original, and quite probably reproduces what someone else
said in the dim, distant past. Nevertheless, my paper "On complexity
and emergence" is my second highest cited paper, with 79 cites,
according to Google Scholar. I didn't expect that :).

Cheers

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[Owen Densmore]

> These days, you do far better using the open source Cygwin platform
> (created by RedHat), to get a (sort of) posix compliance on
> Windows. Its pretty good, and makes using Windows bearable, but still
> has numerous "gotchas". There's my blog on the topic, for instance:

I was sort of surprised to see RedHat in the mix, thought it was
entirely GNU.  Looked it up and found:
    Cygwin was originally developed by Cygnus Solutions, which was
later acquired by Red Hat. It is free and open source software,
released under the GNU General Public License version 3. Today it is
maintained by employees of Red Hat, NetApp and many other volunteers.

   -- Owen

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[Steve Smith]

Russell -
> I did post a few times to the emergence discussion group, but alas
> didn't find to time required to do the essential reading of the tomes
> discussing emergence, so eventually had to skip the discussion.
I *do*  remember you posting now, but at the time did not appreciate
that you were the author of "Nothing".  I understood that Nick's
discussion group had a wide dynamic range in the experience and
knowledge of it's participants and wasn't surprised that the discussion
was somewhat limited for those who had been around the Emergence tree a
few times already.
> I have come to a particular view on complexity and emergence, through
> using it in my studies of complex systems, rather than reading the
> copious literature on the subject. If I had done the latter, I'm sure
> I would have been lost in the mire of contradictory definitions and
> positions.
This is precisely why I find your work on the topic so refreshing. You
seem to know *enough* about the published literature to be able address
*some of* the obvious points but as you say, not get mired by them.  I'm
also a sucker for Ensemble Theories (referencing _Nothing_).  I
appreciate your humility in describing it this way as well.
> So I'm quite sure, that what I've published is not particularly
> original, and quite probably reproduces what someone else said in the
> dim, distant past. Nevertheless, my paper "On complexity and
> emergence" is my second highest cited paper, with 79 cites, according
> to Google Scholar. I didn't expect that :). Cheers
On Owen's generous production of the reference to your paper on ArXiv, I
shifted from re-reading _Nothing_ to reading this (denser, more
succinct) paper, which obviously provides some important
underpinnings/core to the book.


Thanks for _Nothing_
     - Steve


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[Douglas Roberts-2]

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Russell -

I did post a few times to the emergence discussion group, but alas didn't find to time required to do the essential reading of the tomes discussing emergence, so eventually had to skip the discussion.

I *do*  remember you posting now, but at the time did not appreciate that you were the author of "Nothing".  I understood that Nick's discussion group had a wide dynamic range in the experience and knowledge of it's participants and wasn't surprised that the discussion was somewhat limited for those who had been around the Emergence tree a few times already.

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email?  

Fluffing?

Or is that something else?

I have come to a particular view on complexity and emergence, through using it in my studies of complex systems, rather than reading the copious literature on the subject. If I had done the latter, I'm sure I would have been lost in the mire of contradictory definitions and positions.

This is precisely why I find your work on the topic so refreshing. You seem to know *enough* about the published literature to be able address *some of* the obvious points but as you say, not get mired by them.  I'm also a sucker for Ensemble Theories (referencing _Nothing_).  I appreciate your humility in describing it this way as well.

So I'm quite sure, that what I've published is not particularly original, and quite probably reproduces what someone else said in the dim, distant past. Nevertheless, my paper "On complexity and emergence" is my second highest cited paper, with 79 cites, according to Google Scholar. I didn't expect that :). Cheers

On Owen's generous production of the reference to your paper on ArXiv, I shifted from re-reading _Nothing_ to reading this (denser, more succinct) paper, which obviously provides some important underpinnings/core to the book.


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[Steve Smith]

Doug -

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email? 

<Lard>Well, I think Nick referred to it as "Larding" and then found some etymological foundation in adding layers of fat into leaner meats....  it is probably mostly intended to reference the structural aspect of this phenomena, but it might also have some semantic meaning too?</Lard>

Fluffing?

Or is that something else?

<FluffyLard>

<DisgustingImage>

I think I know what you are referring to, and yes, this is definitely "fluffing"... I think I'm one of *your* most devout fluffers when I'm not being derisive (insert image of a motley fool here), in fact.  There is no point in not being ready to perform when it is your turn after all?

</DisgustingImage>

</FluffyLard>

<WhimsicalImage>

 I'm suddenly noticing that FluffyLarding is a variant on TarNFeathering?

</WhimsicalImage>

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 - Steve

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I would take care with the term fluffing as there is a job title - fluffer - and what a fluffer does is fluffing - but it is not something anyone on this list would care to do, or so I assume. 

 

davew

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 03:04 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

Doug -

 

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email? 

<Lard>Well, I think Nick referred to it as "Larding" and then found some etymological foundation in adding layers of fat into leaner meats....  it is probably mostly intended to reference the structural aspect of this phenomena, but it might also have some semantic meaning too?</Lard>

 

Fluffing?

 

Or is that something else?

<FluffyLard>

<DisgustingImage>

I think I know what you are referring to, and yes, this is definitely "fluffing"... I think I'm one of *your* most devout fluffers when I'm not being derisive (insert image of a motley fool here), in fact.  There is no point in not being ready to perform when it is your turn after all?

</DisgustingImage>

</FluffyLard>

 

<WhimsicalImage>

 I'm suddenly noticing that FluffyLarding is a variant on TarNFeathering?

</WhimsicalImage>

 

Fluffingly Yours,

 - Steve

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[Merle Lefkoff-2]

Thank you Nick.  I'm been larding all day, (not on e-mail), and I didn't know what to call it!

Merle

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

I would take care with the term fluffing as there is a job title - fluffer - and what a fluffer does is fluffing - but it is not something anyone on this list would care to do, or so I assume. 

 

davew

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 03:04 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

Doug -

 

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email? 

<Lard>Well, I think Nick referred to it as "Larding" and then found some etymological foundation in adding layers of fat into leaner meats....  it is probably mostly intended to reference the structural aspect of this phenomena, but it might also have some semantic meaning too?</Lard>

 

Fluffing?

 

Or is that something else?

<FluffyLard>

<DisgustingImage>

I think I know what you are referring to, and yes, this is definitely "fluffing"... I think I'm one of *your* most devout fluffers when I'm not being derisive (insert image of a motley fool here), in fact.  There is no point in not being ready to perform when it is your turn after all?

</DisgustingImage>

</FluffyLard>

 

<WhimsicalImage>

 I'm suddenly noticing that FluffyLarding is a variant on TarNFeathering?

</WhimsicalImage>

 

Fluffingly Yours,

 - Steve

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[Steve Smith]

Dave -

Thanks for the warning...

If you know Doug at all, you know this is precisely what he was referring to, and while I admit to not being a likely job candidate in any literal sense, I am happy to go with the metaphor, mostly just to try to stay one-up on Doug if that is possible (or even desirable?).

I inserted it all within the "<DisgustingImage>" tag to attend to Nick's (very reasonable) offense of a year or so ago when Doug transmogrified Nick's discussion about Whirlpools in Tub Drains into the popular and disgusting term <DisgustingImage> Swirly <DisgustingImage> quite intentionally.  I do believe that Doug has manners, I'm just not sure if he knows how to use them ;^)  ?

- Steve

 

I would take care with the term fluffing as there is a job title - fluffer - and what a fluffer does is fluffing - but it is not something anyone on this list would care to do, or so I assume. 

 

davew

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 03:04 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

Doug -

 

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email? 

<Lard>Well, I think Nick referred to it as "Larding" and then found some etymological foundation in adding layers of fat into leaner meats....  it is probably mostly intended to reference the structural aspect of this phenomena, but it might also have some semantic meaning too?</Lard>

 

Fluffing?

 

Or is that something else?

<FluffyLard>

<DisgustingImage>

I think I know what you are referring to, and yes, this is definitely "fluffing"... I think I'm one of *your* most devout fluffers when I'm not being derisive (insert image of a motley fool here), in fact.  There is no point in not being ready to perform when it is your turn after all?

</DisgustingImage>

</FluffyLard>

 

<WhimsicalImage>

 I'm suddenly noticing that FluffyLarding is a variant on TarNFeathering?

</WhimsicalImage>

 

Fluffingly Yours,

 - Steve

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[Douglas Roberts-2]

Steve,

I find it hard that you would say such things about me!

:-o

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dave -

Thanks for the warning...

If you know Doug at all, you know this is precisely what he was referring to, and while I admit to not being a likely job candidate in any literal sense, I am happy to go with the metaphor, mostly just to try to stay one-up on Doug if that is possible (or even desirable?).

I inserted it all within the "<DisgustingImage>" tag to attend to Nick's (very reasonable) offense of a year or so ago when Doug transmogrified Nick's discussion about Whirlpools in Tub Drains into the popular and disgusting term <DisgustingImage> Swirly <DisgustingImage> quite intentionally.  I do believe that Doug has manners, I'm just not sure if he knows how to use them ;^)  ?

- Steve

 

I would take care with the term fluffing as there is a job title - fluffer - and what a fluffer does is fluffing - but it is not something anyone on this list would care to do, or so I assume. 

 

davew

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 03:04 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

Doug -

 

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email? 

<Lard>Well, I think Nick referred to it as "Larding" and then found some etymological foundation in adding layers of fat into leaner meats....  it is probably mostly intended to reference the structural aspect of this phenomena, but it might also have some semantic meaning too?</Lard>

 

Fluffing?

 

Or is that something else?

<FluffyLard>

<DisgustingImage>

I think I know what you are referring to, and yes, this is definitely "fluffing"... I think I'm one of *your* most devout fluffers when I'm not being derisive (insert image of a motley fool here), in fact.  There is no point in not being ready to perform when it is your turn after all?

</DisgustingImage>

</FluffyLard>

 

<WhimsicalImage>

 I'm suddenly noticing that FluffyLarding is a variant on TarNFeathering?

</WhimsicalImage>

 

Fluffingly Yours,

 - Steve

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:)

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thank you Nick.  I'm been larding all day, (not on e-mail), and I didn't know what to call it!

Merle

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

I would take care with the term fluffing as there is a job title - fluffer - and what a fluffer does is fluffing - but it is not something anyone on this list would care to do, or so I assume. 

 

davew

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013, at 03:04 PM, Steve Smith wrote:

Doug -

 

What do they call it when people intersperse comments to an email within the body of the quoted email? 

<Lard>Well, I think Nick referred to it as "Larding" and then found some etymological foundation in adding layers of fat into leaner meats....  it is probably mostly intended to reference the structural aspect of this phenomena, but it might also have some semantic meaning too?</Lard>

 

Fluffing?

 

Or is that something else?

<FluffyLard>

<DisgustingImage>

I think I know what you are referring to, and yes, this is definitely "fluffing"... I think I'm one of *your* most devout fluffers when I'm not being derisive (insert image of a motley fool here), in fact.  There is no point in not being ready to perform when it is your turn after all?

</DisgustingImage>

</FluffyLard>

 

<WhimsicalImage>

 I'm suddenly noticing that FluffyLarding is a variant on TarNFeathering?

</WhimsicalImage>

 

Fluffingly Yours,

 - Steve

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