Fwd: Google Music - Product Update

[Owen Densmore]

Well now, we have several music in the cloud facilities: iTunes, iCloud, Amazon, and now Google.  Oh, and also Dropbox and other web storage facilities.

Its early days yet, but I wonder how folks are going to deal with choice.  Use more than one for greater storage?  Use the one they've already used a bit?  Be feature driven?  Cost?

IIRC one (or more) of them have a nifty stunt where they recognize the album on your computer, and "upload instantly" .. i.e. give you access to the one already there!  Nifty use of replication.

Anyone of us using these yet .. especially on mobile devices?  What do you think of them?

   -- Owen

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Date: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM
Subject: Google Music - Product Update
To: [hidden email]

Dear Music Beta user,

We're excited to announce that Music Beta by Google is officially graduating from beta today! Google Music will remain a free service, and you can continue to store up to 20,000 songs in your personal music library. Please see the revised Terms of Service for this product update.

Google Music also comes with a number of new features. We've launched a new music store on Android Market that works seamlessly with Google Music. Shop on the web or your Android device for millions of tracks and hundreds of free songs for your music library. All of your purchases are automatically stored on Google Music for free (and don't count toward your 20,000 song limit). You can even share a free full play of any purchase with your friends on Google+.

For Google Music users with Android phones and tablets running version 2.2+, you will automatically receive an updated version of Android Market with the music store over the next few days. You should also receive a system notification with the Music app update sometime today, but you can always download it immediately.

For more information on these changes, please check out these links:

• Help Center
• About Google Music

— The Google Music Team

© 2011 Google Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043

You have received this mandatory service announcement to update you about important changes to your Google Music service or account.

 

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[Russell Standish]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 09:45:31AM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Well now, we have several music in the cloud facilities: iTunes, iCloud,
> Amazon, and now Google.  Oh, and also Dropbox and other web
> storage facilities.
>
> Its early days yet, but I wonder how folks are going to deal with choice.
>  Use more than one for greater storage?  Use the one they've already used a
> bit?  Be feature driven?  Cost?

Or just give a large collective yawn. I, for one, am quite happy with
my collection of CDs sitting in a drawer of a music cabinet at home,
which is quite adequate for supplying my home music needs. I've
rendered a small percentage of them to mp3 and put them on my phone
for the odd time I'm out and about and I can sit there listening to
music, but that's about as modern as it gets.

I suspect there might be quite a few others like me :)

>
> IIRC one (or more) of them have a nifty stunt where they recognize the
> album on your computer, and "upload instantly" .. i.e. give you access to
> the one already there!  Nifty use of replication.
>
> Anyone of us using these yet .. especially on mobile devices?  What do you
> think of them?
>
>    -- Owen
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM
> Subject: Google Music - Product Update
> To: [hidden email]
>
>
>          [image: Google Music]
> <http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/MdWCbc8VOrahdr>
>
> Dear Music Beta user,
>
> We're excited to announce that Music Beta by Google is officially
> graduating from beta today! Google Music will remain a free service, and
> you can continue to store up to 20,000 songs in your personal music
> library. Please see the revised Terms of
> Service<http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/MQ7AOkmDra5uYJ>for this
> product update.
>   [image: Music on Android Market]
> <http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/BlVN4MSOedJsjS>
>
> Google Music also comes with a number of new features. We've launched a new
> music store on Android
> Market<http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/BlVN4MSOedJsjS>that works
> seamlessly with Google Music. Shop on the web or your Android
> device for millions of tracks and hundreds of free
> songs<http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/BzkdGxREE2OTxM>for your music
> library. All of your purchases are automatically stored on
> Google Music for free (and don't count toward your 20,000 song limit). You
> can even share a free full play of any purchase with your friends on
> Google+.
>
> For Google Music users with Android phones and tablets running version
> 2.2+, you will automatically receive an updated version of Android Market
> with the music store over the next few days. You should also receive a
> system notification with the Music app update sometime today, but you can
> always download it
> immediately<http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/Wphya1iSEKxDkk>.
>   [image: Google Music App]
> <http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/Wphya1iSEKxDkk>
>
> For more information on these changes, please check out these links:
>
>    - Help Center <http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/EReJqCaoSfNZF5>
>    - About Google Music <http://www.google.com/appserve/mkt/Q256INxYNTgfnn>
>
> *— The Google Music Team*
>
> © 2011 Google Inc.
> 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
> Mountain View, CA 94043
>
> You have received this mandatory service announcement to update you about
> important changes to your Google Music service or account.

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Yes, me too.

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[glen ropella]

Russell Standish wrote circa 11-11-17 12:59 PM:
> I suspect there might be quite a few others like me :)

Yep.  I have gone one step further, though.  I now try to buy all my
music sans plastic (i.e. online).  But I relish the diversity between my
collections on various devices.  I make some sullen attempts to sync my
phone and laptops with my server.  But I'm inconsistent.  And I make no
serious attempts to acquire all the music I listen to on myspace,
last.fm, pandora, or anywhere else.

I'm not a musician, but I pretend to understand a little of how many of
them seem to feel.  With the ability to construct a fresh experience
anywhere you go, the robotic automation of studio recorded music pales a
little bit.  It took me awhile after puberty to really appreciate music
as a contextual whole experience rather than scripted emotion.[1][2]
When I finally did grok it, I began to appreciate all sorts of things I
didn't even perceive before.  Even bad music, if I'm there while it's
being constructed, seems quite fulfilling.

The diversity in my collections across devices feels like a shadowy
reminder of that understanding.

[1] I remember an event right out of college.  I used to frequent the
bars in Dallas and Houston that allowed open jams ... anyone with an
instrument was welcome to walk on stage and play with whoever was up
there already.  That's where I fell in love with the blues ... or what I
called the blues, anyway.  I mistakenly told a coworker that I liked the
blues.  When he came to my apt for a party one time, he accused me: "I
thought you liked the blues?!?" after looking through my LPs.  I said,
"Yeah, but only live."  He scoffed and dropped the subject.

[2] I've recently gotten into lots of "noise" performances.  It's hard
to describe.  But for me, it's a bit like a good book or riding a
motorcycle.  There are windows (>100 pages, but still far from the end,
into a good book, or from [2,8] hours on the bike) wherein you're sense
of context is transformed, made expansive in some weird way.  Noise
bands do that to me (at least the good ones do).  But I've tried
listening to pre-recorded noise.  It just ain't the same... it has an
antiseptic feel... all tin-ny, weak, and unidimensional.  Much of that
is the attention most noise geeks pay to the venue and pa system, I'm
sure.  If they had a good production engineer and I used headphones, it
might be better.

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Glen --

You do mean "tinny", as opposed to "woody", right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwXJsWHupg&feature=youtube_gdata_player


- Claiborne -


On Nov 17, 2011, at 16:50, glen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Russell Standish wrote circa 11-11-17 12:59 PM:
>> I suspect there might be quite a few others like me :)
>
> Yep.  I have gone one step further, though.  I now try to buy all my
> music sans plastic (i.e. online).  But I relish the diversity between my
> collections on various devices.  I make some sullen attempts to sync my
> phone and laptops with my server.  But I'm inconsistent.  And I make no
> serious attempts to acquire all the music I listen to on myspace,
> last.fm, pandora, or anywhere else.
>
> I'm not a musician, but I pretend to understand a little of how many of
> them seem to feel.  With the ability to construct a fresh experience
> anywhere you go, the robotic automation of studio recorded music pales a
> little bit.  It took me awhile after puberty to really appreciate music
> as a contextual whole experience rather than scripted emotion.[1][2]
> When I finally did grok it, I began to appreciate all sorts of things I
> didn't even perceive before.  Even bad music, if I'm there while it's
> being constructed, seems quite fulfilling.
>
> The diversity in my collections across devices feels like a shadowy
> reminder of that understanding.
>
> [1] I remember an event right out of college.  I used to frequent the
> bars in Dallas and Houston that allowed open jams ... anyone with an
> instrument was welcome to walk on stage and play with whoever was up
> there already.  That's where I fell in love with the blues ... or what I
> called the blues, anyway.  I mistakenly told a coworker that I liked the
> blues.  When he came to my apt for a party one time, he accused me: "I
> thought you liked the blues?!?" after looking through my LPs.  I said,
> "Yeah, but only live."  He scoffed and dropped the subject.
>
> [2] I've recently gotten into lots of "noise" performances.  It's hard
> to describe.  But for me, it's a bit like a good book or riding a
> motorcycle.  There are windows (>100 pages, but still far from the end,
> into a good book, or from [2,8] hours on the bike) wherein you're sense
> of context is transformed, made expansive in some weird way.  Noise
> bands do that to me (at least the good ones do).  But I've tried
> listening to pre-recorded noise.  It just ain't the same... it has an
> antiseptic feel... all tin-ny, weak, and unidimensional.  Much of that
> is the attention most noise geeks pay to the venue and pa system, I'm
> sure.  If they had a good production engineer and I used headphones, it
> might be better.
>
> --
> glen
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[Carl Tollander]

Most of the music I have on my x2 phone/iPad/iTouch is stuff I'm trying
to learn or appreciate enough so that I can learn it better from some
other source.   Since most all the stuff I'm trying to learn has
choreography and staging components; there are very strong visual
elements that interact in complex ways, so I need movies that I can cut,
run through slow-mo or frame-by-frame, etc. There are exceptions, but
for the most part mp3's don't quite cut it.   I have a strong bias
towards unamplified, acoustic groups in performance and while I respect
folks who have gone down the electronic music path, I confess it doesn't
do much for me at this time.  (though if somebody wanted to drop a
Roland Handsonic at my front door I'm sure I could find a use for it).

So, I think for me I relate to recorded music pieces (sometimes just
fragments) as objects of study if they're going to be on my devices.  
There are few enough of those things at one time for the notion of
clouds and auto searches to be less than useful.

Yes, I listen to Hearts of Space every so often, and yes, during a
massage it's nice if Pandora's on, and yes, Performance Today there in
the car, but seldom on my iTouch, no. That stuff is just in a different
realm.

I like the idea of fragments that performers might put up on SoundCloud
to ask what fans might like to see developed further. (see, for example,
Vienna Teng).  But its an interactive process; any DVD's or salable
recordings are largely epiphenomena that are only out there to in some
small way support the process, which is just the pointy end of a larger
tradition.

Yeah, blues, only live.  Even Better if you made your own instruments,
and brewed your own whiskey and lived your own angst.   From scratch.

Carl

On 11/17/11 2:50 PM, glen wrote:

> Russell Standish wrote circa 11-11-17 12:59 PM:
>> I suspect there might be quite a few others like me :)
> Yep.  I have gone one step further, though.  I now try to buy all my
> music sans plastic (i.e. online).  But I relish the diversity between my
> collections on various devices.  I make some sullen attempts to sync my
> phone and laptops with my server.  But I'm inconsistent.  And I make no
> serious attempts to acquire all the music I listen to on myspace,
> last.fm, pandora, or anywhere else.
>
> I'm not a musician, but I pretend to understand a little of how many of
> them seem to feel.  With the ability to construct a fresh experience
> anywhere you go, the robotic automation of studio recorded music pales a
> little bit.  It took me awhile after puberty to really appreciate music
> as a contextual whole experience rather than scripted emotion.[1][2]
> When I finally did grok it, I began to appreciate all sorts of things I
> didn't even perceive before.  Even bad music, if I'm there while it's
> being constructed, seems quite fulfilling.
>
> The diversity in my collections across devices feels like a shadowy
> reminder of that understanding.
>
> [1] I remember an event right out of college.  I used to frequent the
> bars in Dallas and Houston that allowed open jams ... anyone with an
> instrument was welcome to walk on stage and play with whoever was up
> there already.  That's where I fell in love with the blues ... or what I
> called the blues, anyway.  I mistakenly told a coworker that I liked the
> blues.  When he came to my apt for a party one time, he accused me: "I
> thought you liked the blues?!?" after looking through my LPs.  I said,
> "Yeah, but only live."  He scoffed and dropped the subject.
>
> [2] I've recently gotten into lots of "noise" performances.  It's hard
> to describe.  But for me, it's a bit like a good book or riding a
> motorcycle.  There are windows (>100 pages, but still far from the end,
> into a good book, or from [2,8] hours on the bike) wherein you're sense
> of context is transformed, made expansive in some weird way.  Noise
> bands do that to me (at least the good ones do).  But I've tried
> listening to pre-recorded noise.  It just ain't the same... it has an
> antiseptic feel... all tin-ny, weak, and unidimensional.  Much of that
> is the attention most noise geeks pay to the venue and pa system, I'm
> sure.  If they had a good production engineer and I used headphones, it
> might be better.
>

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[glen ropella]

[hidden email] wrote circa 11-11-17 06:07 PM:
> You do mean "tinny", as opposed to "woody", right?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwXJsWHupg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ha!  "Recidivist".  I hadn't seen that before.  Thanks.

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[Owen Densmore]

Have any of us tried Google Play yet?

I am surprised how sophisticated the site is.  It has a "Amazon-y" feel: books, music, movies and so on.

But after downloading the desktop music manager app, it failed to begin uploading the media.  It also did not allow DRM'd music .. i.e. iTunes music that on my desktop had not been updated via iCloud to the newer versions of the music (DRM-free)

Let me know what your experiences are.

   -- Owen

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:58 AM, drew einhorn <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well now, we have several music in the cloud facilities: iTunes, iCloud, Amazon, and now Google.  Oh, and also Dropbox and other web storage facilities.

Its early days yet, but I wonder how folks are going to deal with choice.  Use more than one for greater storage?  Use the one they've already used a bit?  Be feature driven?  Cost?

So far I haven't gotten past dropbox and free.

Dropbox has one feature on the android client that sounds good it theory but in practice I have not gotten it to work well.

You can either download files to your sdcard or stream them from the dropbox servers. You see the streamable files through the dropbox client and can play them from there.  But the streamable files are not visible from within the players I have  tried.  So a lot of things don't work.

Maybe I'm just not smart enough to configure things correctly.

IIRC one (or more) of them have a nifty stunt where they recognize the album on your computer, and "upload instantly" .. i.e. give you access to the one already there!  Nifty use of replication.

Can the RIAA, MPAA recognize everything on your computer?

If they twist dropbox's arm hard enough they might be able to recognize everything in your dropbox.

But I don't think they can see beyond that.

Now if a cloud music provider's app scans your hard drive ... 

Some people have had false impressions that the encryption used by dropbox and other cloud providers

would protect you from the IP Gestapo's eyes.

 

Anyone of us using these yet .. especially on mobile devices?  What do you think of them?

   -- Owen

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From: <[hidden email]>
Date: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:16 PM
Subject: Google Music - Product Update
To: [hidden email]

Dear Music Beta user,

We're excited to announce that Music Beta by Google is officially graduating from beta today! Google Music will remain a free service, and you can continue to store up to 20,000 songs in your personal music library. Please see the revised Terms of Service for this product update.

Google Music also comes with a number of new features. We've launched a new music store on Android Market that works seamlessly with Google Music. Shop on the web or your Android device for millions of tracks and hundreds of free songs for your music library. All of your purchases are automatically stored on Google Music for free (and don't count toward your 20,000 song limit). You can even share a free full play of any purchase with your friends on Google+.

For Google Music users with Android phones and tablets running version 2.2+, you will automatically receive an updated version of Android Market with the music store over the next few days. You should also receive a system notification with the Music app update sometime today, but you can always download it immediately.

For more information on these changes, please check out these links:

• Help Center
• About Google Music

— The Google Music Team

© 2011 Google Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043

You have received this mandatory service announcement to update you about important changes to your Google Music service or account.

 

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