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Owen Densmore

Facebook. And this it not a troll

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I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.

https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:

- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?

- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

Facebook. It's not your father's AOL.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Owen Densmore

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

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Boy, good point. AOL attempted to be a walled garden, providing all the (then) internet capabilities. But it collapsed under it's own weight, primarily due to its financial model being, at base, an ISP.

FB on the other hand "got it", they aren't an ISP (but they are building out networking in the third world so that people can use FB). Instead they are an enabler. I can imagine them discussing "what do people WANT". Well, apparently, they want to be a warm pile of puppies, happily interacting and being silly and just having fun.

-- Owen

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Facebook. It's not your father's AOL.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Nick Thompson

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

Owen,

Define “want”.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
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-- Owen

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Facebook. It's not your father's AOL.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm following Melanie Mitchell's SFI complexity mooc.
https://www.complexityexplorer.org/courses/74-introduction-to-complexity-spring-2017/segments/5687

In the first video, it was mentioned Facebook is a fascinating example of a complex system, and in particular, how information traverses the network.

So here's a group question or two:
- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?
- And if yes, how is it an information source for you?

My interest is the contrast between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter is "the most information per square inch" but Facebook seems to me to be all over the map.

A second difference is that there are people for which Facebook *is* The Web. By that I mean they enter it and stay there. It is their "email", "web", "social", "team (slack)", "tv" (FB recently started streaming video), and more. Sorta like the browser is for other ecosystems.

So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

-- Owen

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Owen Densmore

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

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Owen,

Define “want”.

Nick

In this case, it's a marketing term. Silly Valley often provided to its customers what bright shiny toy they had and was slick and new. But they were alway crushed by people having much more human goals like making sure granny took her meds.

People won in that they knew how to shape the bright shiny into what was useful for them, got granny to take her meds.

That's want. Vs Slick Willy and the Techies.

Nick Thompson

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

Please say more.

You know somebody wants something because they ……

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:16 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Facebook. And this it not a troll

Owen,

Define “want”.

Nick

People won in that they knew how to shape the bright shiny into what was useful for them, got granny to take her meds.

That's want. Vs Slick Willy and the Techies.

gepr

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

On May 18, 2017 8:13:07 PM PDT, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>So here's a group question or two:
>- If you use Facebook, how do you use it and why?

It's useful for discovering and rsvping to events. That's it though. I have no use for anything else it does. If more people used sites like eventbrite, i'd never sign into facebook again.

>So any interesting observation on The FaceBook Phenomenon?

Facebook smells a lot like an Apple product to me. People seem to like it because they want their tools to be transparent, ie to "just work". That type of user cares more about their ends and less about their means. Dorks like me tend to prefer explicit and present tools. Eg a "lofi" project requires an entirely different tool box and an entirely different workflow from a "hifi" project.

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Owen Densmore

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

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Thanks! Want is ...

That type of user cares more about their ends and less about their means.

Owen Densmore

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

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Hey, I'm not alone:

Now we can keep up with Stephen .. who's right, as far as I can tell. One of the very early videos was on the never entirely answered question "what IS complexity?"

I'm loving it so far.

-- Owen

Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

I assume you're talking about a video from the class in a prior year, right? I just went to the complexityexplorer.org web site, and it appears the online class starts June 5.

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey, I'm not alone:

Now we can keep up with Stephen .. who's right, as far as I can tell. One of the very early videos was on the never entirely answered question "what IS complexity?"

I'm loving it so far.

-- Owen

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Facebook. And this it not a troll

Oops, never mind. I missed the first post with the link to the video.

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

I assume you're talking about a video from the class in a prior year, right? I just went to the complexityexplorer.org web site, and it appears the online class starts June 5.

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey, I'm not alone:

Now we can keep up with Stephen .. who's right, as far as I can tell. One of the very early videos was on the never entirely answered question "what IS complexity?"

I'm loving it so far.

-- Owen

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