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I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 IIRC).
He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two bootable partitions, one for each OS.
Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed. Do any of us have experience with this? A good pointer/site on how to do this? He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
- Virtual Box - Cygwin - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
- Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the mathematics world) I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently compilers were not there and that sort of thing. I do know on the mac you can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed that was also possible with Windows.
Any pointers much appreciated! And alternatives too. -- Owen
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Yeah that's totaly doable-He/she will need to get his/her hands dirty
with a linux bootloader(usualy GRUB). I thought visual studio spoke C-but if for what ever reason he/she'd rather do development on linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot I know that other distros support it. I've only done it a few times with partition magic and what not forunatly it's a little easier to do now. I think ubuntu has some way to run ontop of windows-haven't tride that yet. Just make sure the system can actualy run a distro of linux first! quite a few offer a live CD/DVD mode to see what (if anything) might be a problem interms of compatability. otherwise he/she should have fun with linux. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 > IIRC). > > He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two > bootable partitions, one for each OS. > > Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed. > > Do any of us have experience with this? A good pointer/site on how to do > this? > > He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities: > - Virtual Box > - Cygwin > - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable) > - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the > mathematics world) > > I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he > could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently > compilers were not there and that sort of thing. I do know on the mac you > can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed > that was also possible with Windows. > > Any pointers much appreciated! And alternatives too. > > -- Owen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I've had some reasonable success with Wubi (have a dual boot ASUS EEE PC . . .). It's pretty easy to set up, and also seems to be reversible, if you want to uninstall later . . . https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide Thanks . . . Tom Carter On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Yeah that's totaly doable-He/she will need to get his/her hands dirty > with a linux bootloader(usualy GRUB). I thought visual studio spoke > C-but if for what ever reason he/she'd rather do development on linux: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot I know that other > distros support it. I've only done it a few times with partition magic > and what not forunatly it's a little easier to do now. I think ubuntu > has some way to run ontop of windows-haven't tride that yet. Just make > sure the system can actualy run a distro of linux first! quite a few > offer a live CD/DVD mode to see what (if anything) might be a problem > interms of compatability. otherwise he/she should have fun with linux. > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 >> IIRC). >> >> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two >> bootable partitions, one for each OS. >> >> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed. >> >> Do any of us have experience with this? A good pointer/site on how to do >> this? >> >> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities: >> - Virtual Box >> - Cygwin >> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable) >> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the >> mathematics world) >> >> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he >> could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently >> compilers were not there and that sort of thing. I do know on the mac you >> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed >> that was also possible with Windows. >> >> Any pointers much appreciated! And alternatives too. >> >> -- Owen >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Yes, all that is very easy nowadays, from what I hear. Do find someone who has done one recently, best practices have changed. Many folks are happy to use virtualbox or the freeware version of vmware to run Linux in a vm in windows , some prefer to dual boot. Note than windows 7 has a built-in run time partition editor now, though it might be ignorant of the Linux filesystems inside those partitions. Also, windows nt, xp and 7 all have a bootloader, it can also be used to multiboot linux, but I think most Linux -centric folks overlook it for grub, etc. ~~James On Feb 26, 2012 7:32 PM, "Owen Densmore" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I was going to say that dual-booting was for sissies, but I decided not to.
It is, however, inefficient. VMs like VirtualBox work quite well. All you need to do is decide which OS (typically the one you are most comfortable using) you want to be the host, and then install a guest OS VM to run under it.
I've worked for the past 6 years using Linux as my main OS, with a Windows XP guest running concurrently as a VirtualBox VM. Best of both. --Doug
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:09 PM, James Steiner <[hidden email]> wrote:
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The Ubuntu installer for creating a dual-boot machine is vastly easier
to use now than it was a few years ago. I rather doubt that other Linux distributions would have put as much work into this as Ubuntu has. I tried to use Wubi but wasn't able to make that work; your results may vary. Cygwin or Msys aren't substitutes for Linux. Rather, they provide Windows-runnable versions of Unix commands such as grep. I too am puzzled by the notion that he needs compilers. There is a free version of Microsoft Visual Studio that is completely adequate for serious work compiling a variety of languages, including C and C++. It's what I use to build VPython (vpython.org) binaries for Windows. Bruce On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 > IIRC). > > He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two > bootable partitions, one for each OS. > > Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed. > > Do any of us have experience with this? A good pointer/site on how to do > this? > > He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities: > - Virtual Box > - Cygwin > - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable) > - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the > mathematics world) > > I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he > could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently > compilers were not there and that sort of thing. I do know on the mac you > can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed > that was also possible with Windows. > > Any pointers much appreciated! And alternatives too. > > -- Owen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Installing a dual boot machine is easy with today's Linux distributions.
A couple of months ago I used Octave to do some tasks in mathematics in both Ubuntu Linux and Windows 7. Ubuntu Linux distrubution lacked of some libraries and for these reason at the end I shifted to Windows to accomplish the work with Octave. There are to many IDEs in Linux to develop in C and C++ . Anjuta, for example is an IDE belonging to Gnome. I have installed Dev-C++ IDE for Windows in a Linux machine by using WINE (The windows emulator in Linux) but it doesn't make sense to do it. Probably, most common choices in both OS are NetBeans and Eclipse. Virtual Machines always have crashed when I have used them. Hasta pronto y éxitos 2012/2/26 Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 IIRC). -- Alfredo ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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If you install ubuntu on a system with Winders, it pretty much handles everything. The partition editor shrinks the Windows partition, keeps the recovery partition, installs linux
on an EXT4 partition, and puts grub in the MBR.
From install, onward, you select which OS to run at boot. Linux in Virtualbox with Winders host is almost as efficient on modern systems with hardware virtualization. Cygwin is annoying - you keep running into Winders. Microsoft's development tools cost money, have so many variants it's confusing, and carry a high overhead in the IDE to help nitwits program. Your friend is better off in linux using the boost C++ libraries. Ray Parks
From: Owen Densmore [mailto:[hidden email]]
I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 IIRC).
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 05:31 PM To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two bootable partitions, one for each OS.
Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
Do any of us have experience with this? A good pointer/site on how to do this?
He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
- Virtual Box
- Cygwin
- Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
- Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the mathematics world)
I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently compilers were not there and that sort of thing. I do know on the mac you
can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed that was also possible with Windows.
Any pointers much appreciated! And alternatives too.
-- Owen
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Good point about checking compatibility - my personal system (HP Envy 17 3D) has problems with linux video drivers.
----- Original Message ----- From: Gillian Densmore [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 06:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world Yeah that's totaly doable-He/she will need to get his/her hands dirty with a linux bootloader(usualy GRUB). I thought visual studio spoke C-but if for what ever reason he/she'd rather do development on linux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot I know that other distros support it. I've only done it a few times with partition magic and what not forunatly it's a little easier to do now. I think ubuntu has some way to run ontop of windows-haven't tride that yet. Just make sure the system can actualy run a distro of linux first! quite a few offer a live CD/DVD mode to see what (if anything) might be a problem interms of compatability. otherwise he/she should have fun with linux. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: > I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7 > IIRC). > > He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two > bootable partitions, one for each OS. > > Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed. > > Do any of us have experience with this? A good pointer/site on how to do > this? > > He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities: > - Virtual Box > - Cygwin > - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable) > - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the > mathematics world) > > I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he > could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently > compilers were not there and that sort of thing. I do know on the mac you > can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed > that was also possible with Windows. > > Any pointers much appreciated! And alternatives too. > > -- Owen > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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For the record, I repeat that Microsoft provides a free version of
Visual Studio which I've found completely adequate for serious C++ work, including working with the Boost libraries. I compile the C++/Boost component of the VPython project (vpython.org) for all platforms, including Windows, and on Windows it makes sense to use the Windows compiler. I'll also mention that I use Eclipse as an IDE on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Bruce On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you install ubuntu on a system with Winders, it pretty much handles > everything. The partition editor shrinks the Windows partition, keeps the > recovery partition, installs linux on an EXT4 partition, and puts grub in > the MBR. > > From install, onward, you select which OS to run at boot. > > Linux in Virtualbox with Winders host is almost as efficient on modern > systems with hardware virtualization. > > Cygwin is annoying - you keep running into Winders. > > Microsoft's development tools cost money, have so many variants it's > confusing, and carry a high overhead in the IDE to help nitwits program. > > Your friend is better off in linux using the boost C++ libraries. > > Ray Parks ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I didn't realize that. Sounds like there's no reason to dual-boot.
----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Sherwood [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 09:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Dual booting in the Window's world For the record, I repeat that Microsoft provides a free version of Visual Studio which I've found completely adequate for serious C++ work, including working with the Boost libraries. I compile the C++/Boost component of the VPython project (vpython.org) for all platforms, including Windows, and on Windows it makes sense to use the Windows compiler. I'll also mention that I use Eclipse as an IDE on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Bruce On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Parks, Raymond <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you install ubuntu on a system with Winders, it pretty much handles > everything. The partition editor shrinks the Windows partition, keeps the > recovery partition, installs linux on an EXT4 partition, and puts grub in > the MBR. > > From install, onward, you select which OS to run at boot. > > Linux in Virtualbox with Winders host is almost as efficient on modern > systems with hardware virtualization. > > Cygwin is annoying - you keep running into Winders. > > Microsoft's development tools cost money, have so many variants it's > confusing, and carry a high overhead in the IDE to help nitwits program. > > Your friend is better off in linux using the boost C++ libraries. > > Ray Parks ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Aha, there is - if you want 64-bit code, code as a team, unit test, or remote debug - all of which are unnecessary to a solitary researcher.
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