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Re: Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic
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Is this is a counter-example to Betteridge's Law (Any headline which
ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no)? —Barry On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:40, Tom Johnson wrote: > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 > > =================================== > Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism > Santa Fe, NM > SPJ Region 9 Director > [hidden email] 505-473-9646 > =================================== > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
Re: Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic
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On Mon, 2014-12-15 at 18:40 -0500, Tom Johnson wrote:
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 Cabling is insane for large supercomputer installations. Some systems have more than 50 miles of Infiniband cabling. http://scr3.golem.de/?d=1207/SuperMUC&a=93344&s=8 Would be great to just roll in the boxes and have them communicate (at sufficient bandwidth) without wires. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
Re: Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic
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Marcus sed: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8Cabling is insane for large supercomputer installations. Some systems have more than 50 miles of Infiniband cabling. http://scr3.golem.de/?d=1207/SuperMUC&a=93344&s=8 Would be great to just roll in the boxes and have them communicate (at sufficient bandwidth) without wires. Of course there *is* a good reason for having wires... each one is essentially a separate "aethereal universe". From the Cray2 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Cray-2-p1010252.jpg/1024px-Cray-2-p1010252.jpg Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. This tended to make the demand on the power supply more constant and reduce switching noise. The load on the power supply was so evenly balanced that Cray boasted that the power supply was unregulated. To the power supply, the entire computer system looked like a simple resistor.and this great anecdote I heard when I first came to LANL:2 The wiring and boards were assembled in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin in the USA and key members of the manufacturing crew included women skilled in weaving and the other fabric arts. These women would work in teams to do the amazing job of wiring the backplane of this machine.I'm working on a camera system that has 84 1080p30fps (raw) streams and the customer wants to know why we can't just run it over WiFi... he's seen 1080p over WiFi after all! (2Mp x 24b/p x 30 ~= 1.5Gbps/camera => 126Gbps which (slightly) exceeds even the fastest 100GigE ethernet speeds.... so I guess "theoretically" we are in the regime of what current technology can multiplex... The "current" prototype includes a bundle of 84 coax and 84 power wires... a non-trivial support system. Maybe if someone can clone Tesla, he could pull it off? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Driverless cars (question mark)?
Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:02 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic Is this is a counter-example to Betteridge's Law (Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no)? —Barry On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:40, Tom Johnson wrote: > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag > =nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 > > =================================== > Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, NM SPJ Region 9 > Director > [hidden email] 505-473-9646 > =================================== > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
Re: Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic
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Nick -- because we are so insistent about "engineering," our traffic
systems, there is no option but to replace fallible, undisciplined, and unpredictable (hence beyond the capabilities of engineering) human beings with machine analogs - driverless cars! dave west On Tue, Dec 16, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Driverless cars (question mark)? > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry > MacKichan > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:02 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future > devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic > > Is this is a counter-example to Betteridge's Law (Any headline which ends > in a question mark can be answered by the word no)? > > —Barry > > > > On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:40, Tom Johnson wrote: > > > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag > > =nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 > > > > =================================== > > Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, NM SPJ Region 9 > > Director > > [hidden email] 505-473-9646 > > =================================== > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
Re: Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic
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Nick, are you asking why we might need driverless cars? Driverless cars would be a boon to people who can’t drive—people under licensing age, disabled people, people who are so old they’re unsafe drivers. Such people still need to get around. Driverless cars would also be a boon to those who think they can drive wonderfully, but can’t. We have an immense infrastructure devoted to the automobile, and that infrastructure isn’t going to go away anytime soon. We need better vehicles to maneuver through it. The sooner the better, I say.
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Driverless cars? sure why not.
Can't do worse in Santa Fe. :P On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote: > Driverless cars (question mark)? > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:02 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic > > Is this is a counter-example to Betteridge's Law (Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no)? > > —Barry > > > > On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:40, Tom Johnson wrote: > >> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag >> =nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 >> >> =================================== >> Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, NM SPJ Region 9 >> Director >> [hidden email] 505-473-9646 >> =================================== >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Get the endpoints down first. Park and unpark. Start in a parking
lot where there are lots of soloing driverless cars already and work up. On 12/16/14, 12:33 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Driverless cars (question mark)? > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:02 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic > > Is this is a counter-example to Betteridge's Law (Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no)? > > —Barry > > > > On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:40, Tom Johnson wrote: > >> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag >> =nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 >> >> =================================== >> Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, NM SPJ Region 9 >> Director >> [hidden email] 505-473-9646 >> =================================== >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Driving may well be something handled better by a robot only because a
a several kilo doodad only a few feet from another several kilo doodad isn't something humans are all that good at doing. (Source-News: where collisions are regularly reported) I'm wondering how come hovercrafts with diesel engines and some sort of hovering robot driven doodad isn't here already. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote: > Nick -- because we are so insistent about "engineering," our traffic > systems, there is no option but to replace fallible, undisciplined, and > unpredictable (hence beyond the capabilities of engineering) human > beings with machine analogs - driverless cars! > > dave west > > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: >> Driverless cars (question mark)? >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> Clark University >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry >> MacKichan >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:02 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does the world need 5G? Driverless cars, IoT, future >> devices will demand it - Feature - TechRepublic >> >> Is this is a counter-example to Betteridge's Law (Any headline which ends >> in a question mark can be answered by the word no)? >> >> —Barry >> >> >> >> On 15 Dec 2014, at 16:40, Tom Johnson wrote: >> >> > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/does-the-world-really-need-5g/?tag >> > =nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 >> > >> > =================================== >> > Tom Johnson - Inst. for Analytic Journalism Santa Fe, NM SPJ Region 9 >> > Director >> > [hidden email] 505-473-9646 >> > =================================== >> > ============================================================ >> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe >> > at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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