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I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being
available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- ED folks and many of the articles. The difficulty naturally is that there are so many journals, newspapers, magazines, etc that I really can't afford to subscribe to them all. In the printed world, libraries help: if you can't buy all the books and magazines you want to read, you drop in the library and check them out. So how would this problems be solved "virtually"? There are solutions emerging slowly. OReilly has Safari -- a subscription service that lets you have N books at a time "checked out". Much cheaper than buying the books .. you access them on- line. For rabidly out-of-date material, this is especially useful. NetFlix rents me a library of DVDs. But what I really would like is a digital/virtual library that I pay a yearly fee, and get an aggregated service allowing me so much access per day/week/year. So at the $100/yr level, I'd get to read the NYTimes (and 5 others) daily, the Economist monthly (and 5 others), and 50 ACM (and 5 others) papers/year. I think aggregation is the key. It might even be integrated with the media I want in paper form. For example, I want the Santa Fe news paper, the MIT Tech Review, Foreign Affairs, and a few others. Probably most of our households buy 10 or so newspapers and magazines. Maybe this is a service Amazon could start: you pay N bucks, get M papers & mags, & digital access to X publications. Any ideas? -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org |
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Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only
journals, academic and otherwise. Check out http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them they'll give it to you. Robert On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > ED folks and many of the articles. > |
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Just my two cents but... To be fair to the Times, they have been providing a
premium product for free for years. The $40 per year it cost me for Times Select is well worth it; giving access to 100 full-text articles from the Time's Archives for no charge each month, and a really neat ability to save content from the Times in your own virtual file space (still not as good as off-loading it through Firefox's scrapbook or AskSam's surf saver, but it is still quite valuable). Michael Gizzi On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > > available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > > typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > > top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > > ED folks and many of the articles. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051001/47c6900a/attachment.htm |
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Michael: I absolutely agree (TimesSelect is $50/yr btw) that premium
content is worth paying for. But because of the large number of sources, I'd like/hope for some way to aggregate it a bit so that I could afford various levels of access. I guess its this way: I have multiple tiers of interests: 1 - Gotta have, no problem. For me that's Foreign Affairs, MITs Tech Review, Local newspaper, Books I really want. 2 - Need to use, annoying to not have. ACM and other tech/scientific journals who publish papers that I need during projects. Books that are quickly out-dated and I need only briefly. (For me this is being solved by Safari and seems to be addressed by others as well) 3 - Would like occasional access. Newspaper and magazine articles that are of interest, but I'm not interested in a high percentage of the newspaper/magazine. Economist is a good example. Often articles sent by friends who don't realize the url points into premium content, so I can't read what my friend wished me to read. For now, I'm on the year trial for TimesSelect .. it has a fine refund policy (prorated over usage period). I don't know if I'll stick with it however. And its tough on some of my favorite OP-ED folks who will now have much less impact due to being read by far fewer people. But if Google or Amazon or Yahoo or <name your tune> could figure out to let me have good access, metered by my use .. i.e. flexible usage plans, I'd gladly pay $250/yr for basically unlimited access to the premium media I'm interested in. Creative web stunts keep turning up. Amazon Prime certainly has been a surprise. NetFlix too. Gotta be a way to do this content aggregation in a webby way. -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org On Oct 1, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Michael Gizzi wrote: > Just my two cents but... To be fair to the Times, they have been > providing a premium product for free for years. The $40 per year > it cost me for Times Select is well worth it; giving access to 100 > full-text articles from the Time's Archives for no charge each > month, and a really neat ability to save content from the Times in > your own virtual file space (still not as good as off-loading it > through Firefox's scrapbook or AskSam's surf saver, but it is still > quite valuable). > > Michael Gizzi > > > On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media > being > > available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > > typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > > top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > > ED folks and many of the articles. > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051001/e2af2b67/attachment.htm |
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On 10/1/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote:
> > Michael: I absolutely agree (TimesSelect is $50/yr btw) that premium > content is worth paying for. But because of the large number of sources, I'd > like/hope for some way to aggregate it a bit so that I could afford various > levels of access. BTW, I got it for $39.95 before it went live :-) I hadn't thought about the impact on op-ed readership, but most of the op-eds are in lots of newspapers too. I.e., Brooks in in the NYTimes today, the Denver Post tomorrow, and the Grand Junction Sentinel the day after... I agree with your idea about a flexible usage, metered plan. I'd have no problem paying $250/year if it gave me what I wanted when I wanted it. Once Google's Digitization of major libraries is complete, I can imagine the push to charge for electronic access to books (even with a small royaly going to the publisher/author) that just aren't in the local library. And as you say, Amazon Prime has turned out nice -- indeed, too nice, as I find myself buying more books than I used to. And occasionally even hitting that $3.99 Overnight button!! Cheers, Mike I guess its this way: I have multiple tiers of interests: > > 1 - Gotta have, no problem. For me that's Foreign Affairs, MITs Tech > Review, Local newspaper, Books I really want. > > 2 - Need to use, annoying to not have. ACM and other tech/scientific > journals who publish papers that I need during projects. Books that are > quickly out-dated and I need only briefly. (For me this is being solved by > Safari and seems to be addressed by others as well) > > 3 - Would like occasional access. Newspaper and magazine articles that are > of interest, but I'm not interested in a high percentage of the > newspaper/magazine. Economist is a good example. Often articles sent by > friends who don't realize the url points into premium content, so I can't > read what my friend wished me to read. > > For now, I'm on the year trial for TimesSelect .. it has a fine refund > policy (prorated over usage period). I don't know if I'll stick with it > however. And its tough on some of my favorite OP-ED folks who will now have > much less impact due to being read by far fewer people. > > But if Google or Amazon or Yahoo or <name your tune> could figure out to > let me have good access, metered by my use .. i.e. flexible usage plans, > I'd gladly pay $250/yr for basically unlimited access to the premium media > I'm interested in. > > Creative web stunts keep turning up. Amazon Prime certainly has been a > surprise. NetFlix too. Gotta be a way to do this content aggregation in a > webby way. > > -- Owen > > > Owen Densmore > > http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org > > > On Oct 1, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Michael Gizzi wrote: > > Just my two cents but... To be fair to the Times, they have been providing > a premium product for free for years. The $40 per year it cost me for Times > Select is well worth it; giving access to 100 full-text articles from the > Time's Archives for no charge each month, and a really neat ability to save > content from the Times in your own virtual file space (still not as good as > off-loading it through Firefox's scrapbook or AskSam's surf saver, but it is > still quite valuable). > > Michael Gizzi > > > On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > > > > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > > > available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > > > typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > > > top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > > > ED folks and many of the articles. > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051001/d7b4cc47/attachment-0001.htm |
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I wouldn't have thought it too wise to be giving out institutional
passwords on public email lists like this... On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 07:20:38AM -0600, Robert Holmes wrote: > Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only > journals, academic and otherwise. Check out > http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale > Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the > password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them > they'll give it to you. > > Robert > > > > On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > > available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > > typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > > top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > > ED folks and many of the articles. > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org -- *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you may safely ignore this attachment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) Mathematics 0425 253119 (") UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish at unsw.edu.au Australia http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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RE: The Time's File Save Feature. I just realized that anyone can get the
equivalent of the NYTime's "Times File" feature, enabling you to save web pages online, with full searching capabilities. The Times File is powered by FURL, which is available for anyone to use for free. http://www.furl.net/index.jsp Check it out. Kind of cool. Best, Michael Gizzi On 10/1/05, Russell Standish <r.standish at unsw.edu.au> wrote: > > I wouldn't have thought it too wise to be giving out institutional > passwords on public email lists like this... > > On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 07:20:38AM -0600, Robert Holmes wrote: > > Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only > > journals, academic and otherwise. Check out > > http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale > > Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the > > password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them > > they'll give it to you. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > > > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > > > available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > > > typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > > > top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > > > ED folks and many of the articles. > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > > http://www.friam.org > > -- > *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which > is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a > virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this > email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you > may safely ignore this attachment. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) > Mathematics 0425 253119 (") > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish at unsw.edu.au > Australia http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks > International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051002/5bbd5ac0/attachment.htm |
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Just FYI: If you want to look at the OP-ED pieces on other legally
syndicated sites, here is a pointer to a site that collects them. Doubt if it'll keep going, but its an interesting solution. http://www.johntabin.com/neverpayretail/ -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051002/87d86c3e/attachment.htm |
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Robert's e-mail refers to the public library. The passwords are
available for the asking. Dede On Oct 1, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > I wouldn't have thought it too wise to be giving out institutional > passwords on public email lists like this... > > On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 07:20:38AM -0600, Robert Holmes wrote: >> Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only >> journals, academic and otherwise. Check out >> http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale >> Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the >> password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them >> they'll give it to you. >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: >>> I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being >>> available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are >>> typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the >>> top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- >>> ED folks and many of the articles. >>> >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations >> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: >> http://www.friam.org > > -- > *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which > is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a > virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this > email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you > may safely ignore this attachment. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) > Mathematics 0425 253119 (") > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish at unsw.edu.au > Australia > http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks > International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > |
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I would have assumed that the library would authenticate that you were
a borrower before giving out a password over the phone. That in turn would presumably mean you have to be a resident of Santa Fe. However, if their license with Gale allows them to give the password out to anyone in the world, then one wonders why they don't just put the password up on their website (or why Gale has a password at all). Anyway - it no skin off my nose - I'm an "information wants to free" leftie from way back.. Cheers On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 09:41:49AM -0600, Dede Densmore wrote: > Robert's e-mail refers to the public library. The passwords are > available for the asking. > > Dede > On Oct 1, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > > I wouldn't have thought it too wise to be giving out institutional > > passwords on public email lists like this... > > > > On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 07:20:38AM -0600, Robert Holmes wrote: > >> Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only > >> journals, academic and otherwise. Check out > >> http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale > >> Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the > >> password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them > >> they'll give it to you. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > >>> I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > >>> available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are > >>> typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the > >>> top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- > >>> ED folks and many of the articles. > >>> > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > >> Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > >> http://www.friam.org > > > > -- > > *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which > > is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a > > virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this > > email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you > > may safely ignore this attachment. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) > > Mathematics 0425 253119 (") > > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish at unsw.edu.au > > Australia > > http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks > > International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > > http://www.friam.org > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org -- *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you may safely ignore this attachment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile) Mathematics 0425 253119 (") UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish at unsw.edu.au Australia http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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I think every scientist has made the frustrating and annoying experience of research papers and other written articles being available only by subscription. As a scientist, you are on a constant never-ending search for new material, papers, articles and publications. Most of the "publications" do not deserve the name at all. Why it is called publication if only a selected minority can read it? This is a severe problem especially for poor third-world countries which can not afford to pay the high costs for all the expensive books and scientific journals. Commercial publishers like the Nature Publishing Group (NPG) and Elsevier, and commercial societies or associations like ACM, IEEE and AAAS are a part of the problem. Each of the major societies IEEE, ACM and AAAS has its own digital or electronic library, sits on millions of documents, and grants access only to members. IEEE for example sits on more than 1.1 million private documents. It is very expensive to become a member in every society and association, and even university libraries can not afford to buy access to all major journals. The libraries from Harvard and Cornell University have a bigger budget than many other university libraries in the US, but Elsevier's prices are too high even for them, see http://lib.harvard.edu/elsevier_list.html http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~tedb/Journals/harvardletter040101.htm http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/03/12.11.03/CUL_Elsevier.html Some clever scientists have recognized this problem and use it to boost their image and reputation: (1) they become an individual member of IEEE, ACM and AAAS, gain personal access to the libraries and can say they are a proud member of each society, which will increase their reputation, or (2) they ignore the publishers and post simply the preprints or the full versions of their papers on their local websites, which undermines the position of the journals, but certainly inspires others to read the articles. Thus these scientists are more cited, and gain in turn a better image and reputation. A site full of good papers is like a cockaigne ("Schlaraffenland") for a scientist, and is easy to find for Google. Google has become a standard tool for scientists. The problem is some papers can be found with Google, although they belong to the class of "restricted" publications. This makes you think you might find other articles as well, and you lose a lot of time only for constant Google searches. I guess even in the best university you will not have access to all journals. From my university here in Kassel, I have at least electronic access to the ACM papers and the Complexity Journal. I do not have access to Science, Nature, IEEE papers and most of the other journals (for example IJBC, Neural Networks or Neural Computation) in electronic form, although most of them are available in printed form in the library. Yet the university library here is scattered over the whole city, closes at 6 pm and if you copy an article from Nature or Science with color figures on a simple BW copier, the results are often more than poor. This is annoying. A free or affordable digital/virtual library would in fact be nice. Unfortunately, I guess the idea will not work, because there are already too many different people involved which earn money with the process of selling publications. With your membership in a society, you pay also for many bureaucrats, administrative folks and other important persons. That's why I think public preprint archives like arXiv (http://www.arxiv.org/) and CiteSeer (http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/) are a good idea. There are also many other "open access" movements and initiatives. The PNAS (http://www.pnas.org/) model is interesting: the current issues is available only for subscripers, the older issues for the general public. The model of the NYTimes and news at nature.com (http://www.nature.com/news/) is directly opposed: the current articles are available for the general public, and the older articles only for subscripers. -J. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com] Im Auftrag von Owen Densmore Gesendet: Freitag, 30. September 2005 23:40 An: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Friam Cc: Logan M. Cheek Betreff: [FRIAM] Digital/Virtual Library? I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being available only by subscription. |
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Dear All,
The pinch of it is felt very much in India, wherein the exchange rate dictates the subscription that has to be made with meagre funds as compared to Harvard or Cornell. In spite of this the E-print Archives at our institute is a new beginning to counter this. Airing similar concerns was this Editorial in Current Science, on 'Institutional E-print Archives: Liberalizing Access to Scientific Research' by Prof. N V Joshi. Available online: http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/aug102005/421.pdf Regards, Sudhira H. S. PS: I understand that profits are soaring for Elsevier!! Check out the interim financial report of Reed Elsevier, parent company of Elsevier Science. http://www.reedelsevier.com/media/pdf/n/a/Reed_Interim_2005_final.pdf > > I think every scientist has made the frustrating and annoying experience > of > research papers and other written articles being available only by > subscription. As a scientist, you are on a constant never-ending search > for > new material, papers, articles and publications. Most of the > "publications" > do not deserve the name at all. Why it is called publication if only a > selected minority can read it? This is a severe problem especially for > poor > third-world countries which can not afford to pay the high costs for all > the > expensive books and scientific journals. Commercial publishers like the > Nature Publishing Group (NPG) and Elsevier, and commercial societies or > associations like ACM, IEEE and AAAS are a part of the problem. Each of > the > major societies IEEE, ACM and AAAS has its own digital or electronic > library, sits on millions of documents, and grants access only to members. > IEEE for example sits on more than 1.1 million private documents. It is > very > expensive to become a member in every society and association, and even > university libraries can not afford to buy access to all major journals. > The > libraries from Harvard and Cornell University have a bigger budget than > many > other university libraries in the US, but Elsevier's prices are too high > even for them, see > http://lib.harvard.edu/elsevier_list.html > http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~tedb/Journals/harvardletter040101.htm > http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/03/12.11.03/CUL_Elsevier.html > > Some clever scientists have recognized this problem and use it to boost > their image and reputation: (1) they become an individual member of IEEE, > ACM and AAAS, gain personal access to the libraries and can say they are a > proud member of each society, which will increase their reputation, or (2) > they ignore the publishers and post simply the preprints or the full > versions of their papers on their local websites, which undermines the > position of the journals, but certainly inspires others to read the > articles. Thus these scientists are more cited, and gain in turn a better > image and reputation. A site full of good papers is like a cockaigne > ("Schlaraffenland") for a scientist, and is easy to find for Google. > has become a standard tool for scientists. The problem is some papers can > be > found with Google, although they belong to the class of "restricted" > publications. This makes you think you might find other articles as well, > and you lose a lot of time only for constant Google searches. > > I guess even in the best university you will not have access to all > journals. From my university here in Kassel, I have at least electronic > access to the ACM papers and the Complexity Journal. I do not have access > to > Science, Nature, IEEE papers and most of the other journals (for example > IJBC, Neural Networks or Neural Computation) in electronic form, although > most of them are available in printed form in the library. Yet the > university library here is scattered over the whole city, closes at 6 pm > and > if you copy an article from Nature or Science with color figures on a > simple > BW copier, the results are often more than poor. This is annoying. > > A free or affordable digital/virtual library would in fact be nice. > Unfortunately, I guess the idea will not work, because there are already > too > many different people involved which earn money with the process of > selling > publications. With your membership in a society, you pay also for many > bureaucrats, administrative folks and other important persons. That's why > I > think public preprint archives like arXiv (http://www.arxiv.org/) and > CiteSeer (http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/) are a good idea. There are also > many > other "open access" movements and initiatives. The PNAS > (http://www.pnas.org/) model is interesting: the current issues is > available > only for subscripers, the older issues for the general public. The model > of > the NYTimes and news at nature.com (http://www.nature.com/news/) is directly > opposed: the current articles are available for the general public, and > the > older articles only for subscripers. > > -J. > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:Friam-bounces at redfish.com] Im > Auftrag > von Owen Densmore > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. September 2005 23:40 > An: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Friam > Cc: Logan M. Cheek > Betreff: [FRIAM] Digital/Virtual Library? > > I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being > available only by subscription. > > > ============================================================ Department of Management Studies and Centre for Sustainable Technologies, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore - 560 012, INDIA T: +91-80-2293 2786 Extn. 213 F: +91-80-2360 4534 E: sudhira at mgmt.iisc.ernet.in |
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Sudhira H S wrote: > Dear All, > > The pinch of it is felt very much in India, [ ... ] I think the pinch is felt everywhere that people are left without the resources to solve the problems they were educated to solve. It's hard to see how the common good is served by this: spending piles of money on technical educations and then restricting access to the literature to those rich enough to pay. The Directory of Open Access Journals (http://www.doaj.org/) now lists 1811 journals, 446 indexed to the article level. (Some interesting stuff in there: IBM Journal of Research and Development, 2005, Issue 4/5, Page 589 Introduction to the Cell multiprocessor by J. A. Kahle, M. N. Day, H. P. Hofstee, C. R. Johns, T. R. Maeurer, D. Shippy.) The Scholarly Journal Archive (http://jstor.org) has complete back issues for hundreds of journals in electronic form, with hundreds more in the plan, but you need to be an institution to participate. The Santa Fe Institute library has access to at least some of the collections, and individual journals (eg Science) provide subscriber access to their back issue collections. -- rec -- |
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On 10/4/05, Roger E Critchlow Jr <rec at elf.org> wrote:
> > > The Directory of Open Access Journals (http://www.doaj.org/) now lists > 1811 journals, 446 indexed to the article level. (Some interesting > stuff in there: IBM Journal of Research and Development, 2005, Issue > 4/5, Page 589 Introduction to the Cell multiprocessor by J. A. Kahle, M. > N. Day, H. P. Hofstee, C. R. Johns, T. R. Maeurer, D. Shippy.) Thanks for the referece to this. I already found some good stuff in it! The Scholarly Journal Archive (http://jstor.org) has complete back > issues for hundreds of journals in electronic form, with hundreds more > in the plan, but you need to be an institution to participate. The > Santa Fe Institute library has access to at least some of the > collections, and individual journals (eg Science) provide subscriber > access to their back issue collections. JSTOR is great, but it is in no way a free open-source resource. It is quite expensive. Some professional associations, like the American Political Science Association provide discounted JSTOR access to the association's journal to individuals. Michael Gizzi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20051004/10df1061/attachment.htm |
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On 10/4/05, Michael Gizzi <mgizzi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 10/4/05, Roger E Critchlow Jr <rec at elf.org> wrote: > > The Scholarly Journal Archive (http://jstor.org) has complete back > > issues for hundreds of journals in electronic form, with hundreds more > > in the plan, but you need to be an institution to participate. The > > Santa Fe Institute library has access to at least some of the > > collections, and individual journals (eg Science) provide subscriber > > access to their back issue collections. > > JSTOR is great, but it is in no way a free open-source resource. It is > quite expensive. Some professional associations, like the American > Political Science Association provide discounted JSTOR access to the > association's journal to individuals. > Yes, but they are offering access through public libraries and secondary schools (none in New Mexico as yet), so it should (could?) become a generally available resource eventually. And though it isn't cheap, it is a not for profit with a mandate to make these materials as widely available as possible, so it's priced to maintain quality of service rather than to extract the largest possible return on investment. So, anyone want to endow the Santa Fe Public Library with $10K/once capitalization and $22K/year access fee and $750/year/connection remote access? It will be cheaper than that since there's no way we're a very large library. It won't get us all the journals in the world, only the ones the consortium has judged most worthwhile and gotten cooperation from the publishers, and it won't get us the most recent issues, only those 2-5 years old, but it's a start. -- rec -- |
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On Oct 1, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
> Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only > journals, academic and otherwise. Check out > http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale > Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the > password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them > they'll give it to you. > > Robert I just dropped by the library, got a new card (lost the old one), got a set of passwords from the librarian on a slip of paper, came home, beamed in, and am reading the Tom Friedman Op-Ed piece that was just published on the NYTimes. Boy, nice to have something works so well. Next I'll check the tech/ science articles database. I'm impressed! -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org |
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OK, I've finally done the experiment. I got the login/passwords for
the public library for the newspaper and magazines via ProQuest. I then found a way to look for all the op-ed features from the NYTimes via their ProQuest search service. So now I have a simple bookmark that shows all the NYTimes op-ed pieces, full text, with no restrictions. This is absolutely awesome! So I'm now fairly sure I'll drop TimeSelect. BTW: I've found a fairly interesting site for op-ed pieces: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org On Oct 1, 2005, at 7:20 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: > Santa Fe library has online access to a lot of subscription-only > journals, academic and otherwise. Check out > http://www.santafelibrary.org/gate.html. The password for the Gale > Group general magazine database is cactus. I can't remember the > password for ProQuest (which inclkudes NY Times) but if you call them > they'll give it to you. > > Robert > > > > On 9/30/05, Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net> wrote: > >> I'm often frustrated by research papers and other written media being >> available only by subscription. The ACM papers, for example, are >> typically only available to subscribers. This recently went over the >> top for me when the NYTimes started charging for reading all the OP- >> ED folks and many of the articles. >> >> > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9:30a-11:30 at ad hoc locations > Lecture schedule, archives, unsubscribe, etc.: > http://www.friam.org > |
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Here's a limited time free access to Springer's computer science collection:
Free access to over 70 computer journals and 35 books Inside the Computer Science Reading Room you will find free access to the entire contents of over 70 computer science journals and over 35 volumes in the acclaimed Lecture Notes in Computer Science. The Reading Room is Springer's free library of computer science knowledge. Find out more: http://www.springeronline.com/sgw/cda/frontpage/0,11855,4-146-12-15000 8-0,00.html -- rec -- |
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