Bertie on Maths

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
6 messages Options
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Bertie on Maths

plissaman

Discussions of the "meaning" of math are always interesting --- and revealing.
When I was a student of math at Cambridge Bertrand Russell was still around, and much in evidence.  He is supposed to have said, "Mathematics is a subject where you don't know what you are talking about, and don't care if what you say is true".

We smart-ass grad students thought that most entertaining.  After all, the canonical example is: "Let x equal y".  Most ordinary folks found the remark very annoying, which, I suspect, was mainly its purpose.

He is also alleged to have said, "People who discuss sex or mathematics usually don't practise it very well."
Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
tel:(505)983-7728


============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Bertie on Maths

glen e. p. ropella-2
[hidden email] wrote  circa 03/23/2010 10:08 AM:
> He is also alleged to have said, "People who discuss sex or mathematics
> usually don't practise it very well."

Heh, this sounds like a confession on his part.... given that he wrote
entire books discussing math.  He must have totally sucked at it. ;-)

--
glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com


============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Bertie on Maths

Grant Holland
In reply to this post by plissaman
Peter,

Always great to receive the benefits of your observations - and wisdom! I much enjoyed being reminded about Russell. I believe his heyday was likely in the first decade of the 20th cent - when mathematics was finally shaking its ensnarement by, and tight association with, the natural (especially the hard) sciences. With the advent of Lobachevskian and Riemannian Geometry (50?) years earlier, it was becoming clear that mathematics should be decoupled from science. And with the programs of Peano, Hilbert and others, it was becoming well-established that mathematics was to be developed from completely arbitrary postulate systems, and be damned with natural observation as far as abstract mathematics was concerned. We've been celebrating this declaration of independence of mathematics from physics ever since!

(Well. OK, you can still use mathematics with physics if you HAVE to  :-( )

Grant

[hidden email] wrote:

Discussions of the "meaning" of math are always interesting --- and revealing.
When I was a student of math at Cambridge Bertrand Russell was still around, and much in evidence.  He is supposed to have said, "Mathematics is a subject where you don't know what you are talking about, and don't care if what you say is true".

We smart-ass grad students thought that most entertaining.  After all, the canonical example is: "Let x equal y".  Most ordinary folks found the remark very annoying, which, I suspect, was mainly its purpose.

He is also alleged to have said, "People who discuss sex or mathematics usually don't practise it very well."
Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
tel:(505)983-7728


============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

-- 
Grant Holland
Principal
Grant Holland & Associates
404.427.4759

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Bertie on Maths

Pamela McCorduck
In reply to this post by plissaman
When I saw that subject line I was so hoping it was Bertie Wooster.


On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:08 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Discussions of the "meaning" of math are always interesting --- and revealing.
When I was a student of math at Cambridge Bertrand Russell was still around, and much in evidence.  He is supposed to have said, "Mathematics is a subject where you don't know what you are talking about, and don't care if what you say is true".
We smart-ass grad students thought that most entertaining.  After all, the canonical example is: "Let x equal y".  Most ordinary folks found the remark very annoying, which, I suspect, was mainly its purpose.
He is also alleged to have said, "People who discuss sex or mathematics usually don't practise it very well."
Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
tel:(505)983-7728 

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Bertie on Maths

Douglas Roberts-2
Gussie Finknottle.  Newts.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Pamela McCorduck <[hidden email]> wrote:
When I saw that subject line I was so hoping it was Bertie Wooster.


On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:08 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Discussions of the "meaning" of math are always interesting --- and revealing.
When I was a student of math at Cambridge Bertrand Russell was still around, and much in evidence.  He is supposed to have said, "Mathematics is a subject where you don't know what you are talking about, and don't care if what you say is true".
We smart-ass grad students thought that most entertaining.  After all, the canonical example is: "Let x equal y".  Most ordinary folks found the remark very annoying, which, I suspect, was mainly its purpose.
He is also alleged to have said, "People who discuss sex or mathematics usually don't practise it very well."
Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
tel:(505)983-7728 

============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org



============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: Bertie on Maths

lrudolph
In reply to this post by Pamela McCorduck
Rem acu tetigisti.

> When I saw that subject line I was so hoping it was Bertie Wooster.


============================================================
FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org