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Gary Schiltz-4

Android phones

Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.

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gepr

Re: Android phones

I've been pretty happy with my Google Pixel 2, though Renee' still has her 1. Mine is unlocked and I explored different OSes when I first got my Pixel 1. But I think I've satisfied my tinkering on my service phone for awhile. I was tinkering on my ZTE Open. But now I'm thinking of getting a Fair phone: https://www.fairphone.com/en/

On 4/15/19 8:52 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)
>
> The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.

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Carl Tollander

Re: Android phones

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Still happy with my Pixel 1 and Google Fi .

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.
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Gillian Densmore

Re: Android phones

My experience is mixed:

Nexus 4

Google being them dropped it with a buggy OS 7.x that to this day is known to sometimes work and sometimes not install right

LineageOS 15 has a huge bug

On the other hand it does have a bunch of ROMs to pick from some neet apps etc.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> wrote:

Still happy with my Pixel 1 and Google Fi .

C

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.
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Mark Suazo

Re: Android phones

A Google Pixel (I have the 3 XL) will give you the most "untainted by bloatware" version of Android - plus regular updates. Can't speak to rooting it. I continue to be impressed by the camera - it's flat out amazing.

But no removable memory (automagically uploads to your google account online) and there are times I wish it was better as an actual phone - mostly what I want to call someone.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:34 AM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

My experience is mixed:
Nexus 4
Google being them dropped it with a buggy OS 7.x that to this day is known to sometimes work and sometimes not install right
LineageOS 15 has a huge bug
On the other hand it does have a bunch of ROMs to pick from some neet apps etc.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> wrote:
Still happy with my Pixel 1 and Google Fi .

C

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.
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Tom Johnson

Re: Android phones

I'm pretty satisfied with my OnePlus T3, unlocked and with dual SIMs. Camera isn't so hot in this model, but T-mobile is now selling the OnePlus 6, which has a much better camera, for $550.

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:39 AM Mark Suazo <[hidden email]> wrote:

A Google Pixel (I have the 3 XL) will give you the most "untainted by bloatware" version of Android - plus regular updates. Can't speak to rooting it. I continue to be impressed by the camera - it's flat out amazing.

But no removable memory (automagically uploads to your google account online) and there are times I wish it was better as an actual phone - mostly what I want to call someone.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:34 AM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
My experience is mixed:
Nexus 4
Google being them dropped it with a buggy OS 7.x that to this day is known to sometimes work and sometimes not install right
LineageOS 15 has a huge bug
On the other hand it does have a bunch of ROMs to pick from some neet apps etc.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> wrote:
Still happy with my Pixel 1 and Google Fi .

C

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.
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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Android phones

My phone for the past few years has been the Moto X4, which is a good Android One phone that's nearing end of life.

My daughter complained at first about Motorola bloatware, but apparently that's cleared up. I never notiiced it.

It's listing for $149-199 this week according to google, works fine on Google Fi.

Google will be announcing a new pair of Pixel phones at I/O next month

-- rec --

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:10 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm pretty satisfied with my OnePlus T3, unlocked and with dual SIMs. Camera isn't so hot in this model, but T-mobile is now selling the OnePlus 6, which has a much better camera, for $550.
T

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:39 AM Mark Suazo <[hidden email]> wrote:
A Google Pixel (I have the 3 XL) will give you the most "untainted by bloatware" version of Android - plus regular updates. Can't speak to rooting it. I continue to be impressed by the camera - it's flat out amazing.

But no removable memory (automagically uploads to your google account online) and there are times I wish it was better as an actual phone - mostly what I want to call someone.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:34 AM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
My experience is mixed:
Nexus 4
Google being them dropped it with a buggy OS 7.x that to this day is known to sometimes work and sometimes not install right
LineageOS 15 has a huge bug
On the other hand it does have a bunch of ROMs to pick from some neet apps etc.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> wrote:
Still happy with my Pixel 1 and Google Fi .

C

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.
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Gillian Densmore

Re: Android phones

I never got the bloatware grumble. Then my first android was a Samsung Galaxy. My issue(S) is that the when my phone is used any: battery life goes to crap, runs pretty hot, then slows down, then crashes.

It's also pretty weird it's vidgety to get working with Tmobiles voice system. Though that one is a Tmobile thing to some degree. Their voice mail service crap

GPS is hit and mis. Still has Dougs famous or even infamous wtf bugS of: Bluetooth will cause Google Maps to not work well. WiFi and bluetooth may or may not play well when on at the same time

Android 9 cut and or changed features to rely way to much on buttons being pushed just right. From what I've read need to swipe down (or up) just right to get to settings android 8 has right their.

And someone decided I don't need to see when updates and downloads are working (or not)

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 7:35 AM Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

My phone for the past few years has been the Moto X4, which is a good Android One phone that's nearing end of life.

My daughter complained at first about Motorola bloatware, but apparently that's cleared up. I never notiiced it.

It's listing for $149-199 this week according to google, works fine on Google Fi.

Google will be announcing a new pair of Pixel phones at I/O next month

-- rec --

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:10 PM Tom Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm pretty satisfied with my OnePlus T3, unlocked and with dual SIMs. Camera isn't so hot in this model, but T-mobile is now selling the OnePlus 6, which has a much better camera, for $550.
T

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 11:39 AM Mark Suazo <[hidden email]> wrote:
A Google Pixel (I have the 3 XL) will give you the most "untainted by bloatware" version of Android - plus regular updates. Can't speak to rooting it. I continue to be impressed by the camera - it's flat out amazing.

But no removable memory (automagically uploads to your google account online) and there are times I wish it was better as an actual phone - mostly what I want to call someone.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:34 AM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
My experience is mixed:
Nexus 4
Google being them dropped it with a buggy OS 7.x that to this day is known to sometimes work and sometimes not install right
LineageOS 15 has a huge bug
On the other hand it does have a bunch of ROMs to pick from some neet apps etc.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> wrote:
Still happy with my Pixel 1 and Google Fi .

C

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Looking for advice on escaping the gravitational well that is the Apple iOS ecosystem before I reach the event horizon. Hope it isn't too late already. The hard part seems to be choosing a device. With so many years of having barely any choice (other than how much money to shovel into the furnace), I'm now drowning in choices. HELP! :-)

The hacker/tinkerer part of me wants something that I can install a custom OS on, i.e. LineageOS (formerly CyanogenMod). Any thoughts from that crowd? The "just want something that works" part of me is looking for something that us likely to keep working as apps are updated, and have "officially supported" OS updates. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone in that camp as well.
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Russell Standish-2

Re: Android phones

I've gone low end, around the USD 100 mark, since mobile phones are
just a tool, not the focal centre of you life like it is for some folk
(my laptop is more that thing). Being cheap means I don't worry too
much if I lose it, or it meets an untimely end in say a swimming pool.

In the last 8.5 years since I moved from Symbian to Android I've had
one LG, two Samsungs and am now on a Xiaomi Redmi 5. The LG died with
a faulty earphone jack (couldn't hear the person on the other end
regardless of whether the earphone is being used), the two Samsungs
died with charger circuit issues, but otherwise were fantastic phones
for the approx 2 years they survived. The Redmi, which I've now had
for 6 months has great specs, but the build quality is not so
great. The screen is covered in cracks, and the buttons are starting
to get difficult to press. Oh, well, you gets what you pay for, I suppose.

By contrast, my wife used her iPhone 4s for about 6 years, with only
one cracked screen needing to be replaced. Apple do have good build
quality.

Don't know if this helps.

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