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Owen Densmore

An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

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I was reading a science article which used "ontology" in a way I was not familiar with.

https://medium.com/@sasha.manu95/an-overview-of-dark-matter-9aa5d024d65d

One of the oldest projects in science involves constructing a fundamental ontology.

So I Googled "ontology" and got a definition along with a graph of usage over time!

So apparently their use was the second, the "spanning set" of concepts within a field .. maybe primarily scientific/technical.

-- Owen

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gepr

Re: An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

I hate that use of the word with as much passion as I hate the (modern) use of methodology. I cringe every time I read some simulation paper or see a talk where they use "methodologies". Ugh. What in hell's wrong with "methods"? Why do those blasted kids have to abuse language so badly? Get off my lawn!

I get especially annoyed with "ontologies" when the person I'm talking to fails to understand their "ontology" can be automatically translated to another "ontology" with things like XSLT. And when we can (semi-automatically) parallax several "ontologies" so as to find out how much one covers another or which one is more general than the others, which have the same network but different terms, etc. perhaps to land on one that's more stable and useful, what are we then _doing_?!?! What do we call that discipline if not _ontology_?!?! [sigh] But it's directly related to the other thread, of course. Why can't we call both the set of concepts *and* statements about the set of concepts by the same name?

On 12/27/18 9:21 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> I was reading a science article which used "ontology" in a way I was not
> familiar with.
>
> https://medium.com/@sasha.manu95/an-overview-of-dark-matter-9aa5d024d65d
>
>> One of the oldest projects in science involves constructing a fundamental
>> ontology.
>
>
> So I Googled "ontology" and got a definition along with a graph of usage
> over time!
>
> So apparently their use was the second, the "spanning set" of concepts
> within a field .. maybe primarily scientific/technical.

--
☣ uǝlƃ

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

My exposure to the term "ontology" was primarily through work on the overhyped "semantic web" popularized a decade or so ago. As I see it, this use of the term refers to a means for specifying a distributed schema for data description, using logic constructs. Early work sponsored by DARPA resulted in DAML/OIL, which was eventually supplanted by OWL, an effort supported by W3C. I must admit I drank a fair amount of the semantic web Kool-Aid in the 2000s at NCGR (it was the most flavorful Kool-Aid available in Santa Fe when I was looking for a job after the Complexity flavor sort of ran dry). I had also drank a fair amount of AI Kool-Aid in the 1980s until that flavor froze in the AI winter. Now, a decade later, I think the semantic web hype has pretty much died out - I was just reading "Whatever happened to the semantic web" (https://twobithistory.org/2018/05/27/semantic-web.html). I find it interesting that AI (in name, anyway) is making another resurgence. Enough rambling...

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:56 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I hate that use of the word with as much passion as I hate the (modern) use of methodology. I cringe every time I read some simulation paper or see a talk where they use "methodologies". Ugh. What in hell's wrong with "methods"? Why do those blasted kids have to abuse language so badly? Get off my lawn!

I get especially annoyed with "ontologies" when the person I'm talking to fails to understand their "ontology" can be automatically translated to another "ontology" with things like XSLT. And when we can (semi-automatically) parallax several "ontologies" so as to find out how much one covers another or which one is more general than the others, which have the same network but different terms, etc. perhaps to land on one that's more stable and useful, what are we then _doing_?!?! What do we call that discipline if not _ontology_?!?! [sigh] But it's directly related to the other thread, of course. Why can't we call both the set of concepts *and* statements about the set of concepts by the same name?

On 12/27/18 9:21 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> I was reading a science article which used "ontology" in a way I was not
> familiar with.
>
> https://medium.com/@sasha.manu95/an-overview-of-dark-matter-9aa5d024d65d
>
>> One of the oldest projects in science involves constructing a fundamental
>> ontology.
>
>
> So I Googled "ontology" and got a definition along with a graph of usage
> over time!
>
> So apparently their use was the second, the "spanning set" of concepts
> within a field .. maybe primarily scientific/technical.

--
☣ uǝlƃ

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Nick Thompson

Re: An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

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FWIW, I define it as the fundamental, unarticulated, inexplicit “picture” of the world that lies the way a person thinks and argues.

Owen, if you had to define it, how would you? I have always sensed that you computer folk have a different understanding of the word.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
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To: Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

I was reading a science article which used "ontology" in a way I was not familiar with.

https://medium.com/@sasha.manu95/an-overview-of-dark-matter-9aa5d024d65d

One of the oldest projects in science involves constructing a fundamental ontology.

So I Googled "ontology" and got a definition along with a graph of usage over time!

So apparently their use was the second, the "spanning set" of concepts within a field .. maybe primarily scientific/technical.

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-- Owen

Owen Densmore

Re: An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

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On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 5:47 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

FWIW, I define it as the fundamental, unarticulated, inexplicit “picture” of the world that lies the way a person thinks and argues.

Owen, if you had to define it, how would you? I have always sensed that you computer folk have a different understanding of the word.

To tell the truth, I never would use it within the realm of computing specifically or science in general. I can see various other concepts being used in that manor, mainly "isomorphism" and similar functional definition mapping from one domain to another.

-- Owen

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Merle Lefkoff-2

Re: An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

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Thanks, Owen, for sharing this link. In February, through crazy circumstances, I've been invited to Switzerland to CERN for some privileged tours. I'm taking my 15-year old granddaughter with me so that she can explain it all.

Here's a link I'd like to share with Friam--very different thoughts for the New Year. https://breakermag.com/trapped-at-sea-with-cryptos-nouveau-riche/

Sending warm holiday wishes to all.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:22 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was reading a science article which used "ontology" in a way I was not familiar with.
https://medium.com/@sasha.manu95/an-overview-of-dark-matter-9aa5d024d65d
One of the oldest projects in science involves constructing a fundamental ontology.

So I Googled "ontology" and got a definition along with a graph of usage over time!

So apparently their use was the second, the "spanning set" of concepts within a field .. maybe primarily scientific/technical.

-- Owen

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: An Overview of Dark Matter – Sasha Manu – Medium

"Here's a link I'd like to share with Friam--very different thoughts for the New Year. https://breakermag.com/trapped-at-sea-with-cryptos-nouveau-riche/ "

Hilarious article. Truth is I'd probably be tired of her too (and vice versa) after the ordeal if I had been along for the trip. Not sure why.

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 2:54:36 PM
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Here's a link I'd like to share with Friam--very different thoughts for the New Year. https://breakermag.com/trapped-at-sea-with-cryptos-nouveau-riche/

Sending warm holiday wishes to all.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:22 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was reading a science article which used "ontology" in a way I was not familiar with.
https://medium.com/@sasha.manu95/an-overview-of-dark-matter-9aa5d024d65d

One of the oldest projects in science involves constructing a fundamental ontology.

So I Googled "ontology" and got a definition along with a graph of usage over time!

So apparently their use was the second, the "spanning set" of concepts within a field .. maybe primarily scientific/technical.

-- Owen

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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org

Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

[hidden email]
mobile: (303) 859-5609
skype: merle.lelfkoff2

twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff