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Agent Based Modeling and Biomimicry

Ann Racuya-Robbins-2

I have noticed that often more men are interested in Agent Based Modeling than women while more women are interested in Biomimicry than men. I am wondering why this is? I would like to put out this question to others.

Both ABM and Biomimicry have much to offer. To me Agent Based Modeling takes a very distant view of dynamic processes, like a five mile high view. This allows a broader view and greater scope. Individual behavior becomes a matter of probabilities. Biomimicry on the other hand is a whole mind body empathic, sympathic, compathic relationship with living beings as species and individuals. By copying or mimicking living beings, probabilities are not required because copying existing life behavior and physical properties is highly specific in design. While vast, the number of possible design solutions is bounded by what can live. What can live also contains an ethical dimension that grounds and precepts possibilities. In Agent Based Modeling the death of individuals or groups is abstracted to be expressed as parameters emerge and recede within the model. To a large extent, in Biomimicry the death of a species or individual life is the ultimate determinant of which biological qualities to mimic.

I sense that the Agent Based Modeling approach with its roots in western mathematics carries forward some of the difficulties and even cul de sacs of western intellectual life and philosophy. Like imposing platonic solid forms on the world, there are important similarities that are revealed—a common language developed for qualities of the physical world. But no individual contains or expresses these qualities except in often large and varying degrees of approximation. It can be said that these entities like platonic solids and other mathematical systems such as Agent Based Modeling are not alive nor more importantly cannot live. Of course to this extent they cannot die either which has its benefits.

It seems to me that we need a deeper integration of approaches that are outside the body but return to reside in the living and in the living body.

I would like to propose a SapphoSocratic approach. But I will leave this for another message since this one has become rather long already.

Ann Racuya-Robbins

Founder and CEO

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https://www.wkbank.com/knowledge/Agent_Based_Modeling_and_Biomimicry

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Re: Agent Based Modeling and Biomimicry

Peter-2-2
Good questions

Maybe the dreaded left brain right brain synopsis, men being predominantly on the left with la femme on the right

As our technology industry is moving more and more to conceptual right brained thinking this is becoming a huge challenge, dare one say " male right brain blindness '

We are using parametric technology that uses reams of feedback from the REAL world in order to visualize " what REALLY is " and major road blocks we see are the individuals sitting on the safe side of the monitor very comfortable in the abstract world forgetting completely that its only a REPRESENTATION of a REAL world. Architects sans Calatrava and Gehry love this void space with the disastrous consequences we see daily

Biomimicry as you so rightly identified is closely in tune with natural senses and indeed is impossible to understand unless these same senses are WIDE open and avatar or agent just doesn't get you there ( I haven't seen Wal-E yet and will report back. )

The scariest representation, I have seen, re this issue is Bill McDonough's speech at TED on " How is is possible that engineers and designers could create efficient mass murder killing machines like concentration camps (invented by the British in the Boar war in South Africa ) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwWWFQ2tiNY   Simple they used abstract models and designs to distance themselves from the blood and gore, no doubt with Strauss resonating nicely in the background.

Here is another info piece on the same issue with school designs http://www.ideapete.com/gwendolyn.htm

This is the same subject that scared me regarding the comments at last Fridays lecture at SFI "  Computational thinking means we do not have to worry about what is we can target whats desired and model that "  Totally Orwellian

There is an excellent book on this paradigm by a local SF ( Thats Santa Fe not science fiction although we who live here often get confused ) author George Johnson called Fire in the Mind
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Mind-Science-Faith-Search/dp/067974021X with the brilliant LANL scientists charging ahead with the left agent brain and the local Indians perfectly content in the resonant harmonic mystical beliefs that touched their soul and how the scientists are stunned when they get to the quantum and nano level to find whose philosophy REALLY works

Cannot wait for Ann's
SapphoSocratic sequel, keep it rolling

( : ( : pete

Peter Baston

Peter Baston

IDEAS

www.ideapete.com


 




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I have noticed that often more men are interested in Agent Based Modeling than women while more women are interested in Biomimicry than men. I am wondering why this is? I would like to put out this question to others.

Both ABM and Biomimicry have much to offer. To me Agent Based Modeling takes a very distant view of dynamic processes, like a five mile high view. This allows a broader view and greater scope. Individual behavior becomes a matter of probabilities. Biomimicry on the other hand is a whole mind body empathic, sympathic, compathic relationship with living beings as species and individuals. By copying or mimicking living beings, probabilities are not required because copying existing life behavior and physical properties is highly specific in design. While vast, the number of possible design solutions is bounded by what can live. What can live also contains an ethical dimension that grounds and precepts possibilities. In Agent Based Modeling the death of individuals or groups is abstracted to be expressed as parameters emerge and recede within the model. To a large extent, in Biomimicry the death of a species or individual life is the ultimate determinant of which biological qualities to mimic.

I sense that the Agent Based Modeling approach with its roots in western mathematics carries forward some of the difficulties and even cul de sacs of western intellectual life and philosophy. Like imposing platonic solid forms on the world, there are important similarities that are revealed—a common language developed for qualities of the physical world. But no individual contains or expresses these qualities except in often large and varying degrees of approximation. It can be said that these entities like platonic solids and other mathematical systems such as Agent Based Modeling are not alive nor more importantly cannot live. Of course to this extent they cannot die either which has its benefits.

It seems to me that we need a deeper integration of approaches that are outside the body but return to reside in the living and in the living body.

I would like to propose a SapphoSocratic approach. But I will leave this for another message since this one has become rather long already.

Ann Racuya-Robbins

Founder and CEO

World Knowledge Bank®

https://www.wkbank.com/knowledge/Agent_Based_Modeling_and_Biomimicry

https://www.wkbank.com



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Re: Agent Based Modeling and Biomimicry

Marcus G. Daniels
peter wrote:
> This is the same subject that scared me regarding the comments at last
> Fridays lecture at SFI "  Computational thinking means we do not have
> to worry about what is we can target whats desired and model that "  
> Totally Orwellian
This has been the appeal of programming to me since I was a child:  If
you can imagine it, you can make it.
Orwellian is being told otherwise.


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Thank you for your email and your generous offer. I have looked at Tim Weaver’s website http://primamateria.org/index.html and feel a kinship and resonance with his work. I would be delighted to be a complementary speaker.

 It is because I think the internet coupled with technological innovations and the human capacity for good can change the world for the better that I have dedicated my life to doing what I can to make sure systems using these capacities serves life to its fullest. After spending a lifetime of studying, thinking and now my-shoulder-to-the-wheel putting what I have learned and know to work in the creation a just system I call the World Knowledge Bank®, I welcome each conversation as it arises.  I don’t mean to imply that I have all the answers but rather to declare openly and unabashedly that our purpose, myself and the WKBank, is to create and help others create a more just, humane and joyful world that values each and every life, human and otherwise. A system that is dedicated to giving voice to the voiceless that loves life and others’ lives as I love my own.  I am prepared learn, to sacrifice, to listen and to speak. I am not prepared to give up on life on earth—each and every life.

Crazy or not I think I have found a solid, practical and joyful way to do this.

I would like to give you a way to measure the work of the WKBank, in addition to any other measure you would like to use,  to judge this work. “The way in which individual self interest and the interests of others is bound together is at every level, a measure of the strength, the integrity and the beauty of this work.”

 

In turn I would like to invite you and others who might be interested to join a discussion at the Mission Café, Carolyn Stephenson proprietor,  on the World Knowledge Bank® and in general “Freedom and the Internet”, Saturday July 26th at 1pm. 239 E De Vargas St, Santa Fe, NM 87501 (505) 983-3033, or 505-310-8950.    

 

Thank you again Steve, for your generosity towards me. I know I will become a better communicator as I listen to and learn from you and all at Friam and the Santa Fe Complex.

 

Ann Racuya-Robbins

Founder and CEO

World Knowledge Bank®

https://www.wkbank.com

 

 

From: Steve Smith [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Agent Based Modeling and Biomimicry

 

Ann -

I am trying to arrange a visit talk by Tim Weaver http://primamateria.org/index.html and think you might be a good complement/opposite speaker to him.   Read his "Statement" to see the connection with what I perceive to be your position.

Forgive me if I have mis-identified you, but I am assuming you are the woman who has spoken out (most recently at the Industrial Strength Networks talk last night) only to be (mostly) dismissed/ignored or at-best defended-from.   If that is the case, I wanted to commend you on your patience with this "Boy's club".   There are elements among us who are truly interested in a broader participation and view than might be evident  than from the conversations I've been around when you have spoken up.

You must know better than I, that these are hard things for people to think about.  I, for one, think that the issues you raise are valid ones.  I tried to interject into one phase of the conversation last night (again assuming you are who I think you are) that *we* (the technophilic community in general and the Complex & friends in particular) are inherently naive about the *effects* and *implications* of our technology.   We have a lot of good stories about how complexity thinking explains/alerts-us-to the ever-present "unintended consequences" but it is rare that we actually apply it to our own work.

I think this needs to be part of every discussion, yet I understand that it is going to take some practice and "training" for us to be able to address this in all that we do *without* going to either a blameful or a defensive position.   We currently tend toward dismissive, as you have experienced at least twice.  This may be endemic to all "clubs" and "boys clubs" being worse?

I would like to help sponsor a discussion, not just about "ethics" in technology, but how can we think (or learn to think) about the implications of our work without going to one of the many extremes?  How can we leave ourselves open to being questioned about our motives, our goals, our true level of awareness of our work?   I have no answers except the few hard knocks I've gathered along the way myself... and I'm not expecting anyone else to have answers much larger or deeper than that, though I would welcome anyone who has honest and deep perspective in this way of being.

- Steve
PS... my response to your original post inline below....

I have noticed that often more men are interested in Agent Based Modeling than women while more women are interested in Biomimicry than men. I am wondering why this is? I would like to put out this question to others.

I have not noticed this myself, but this may be a deficiency in my noticing/experience.  For this conversation I will grant that your observations may reflect the statistics accurately.  I wonder if it is not that more women are interested in B and more men in A, but rather that men are *more interested* in A than in B and women more in B than in A?  

Both ABM and Biomimicry have much to offer. To me Agent Based Modeling takes a very distant view of dynamic processes, like a five mile high view.

I would add that characterizing life (the universe and everything) as a "dynamic process" is also a bit distant with ABMs being a simplification beyond that of "dynamic process".  

This allows a broader view and greater scope. Individual behavior becomes a matter of probabilities. Biomimicry on the other hand is a whole mind body empathic, sympathic, compathic relationship with living beings as species and individuals.

Unfortunately, much biomimickry is again low-fidelity.   Many ABMs are said to bio-mimicking...    This is not to say that the concept of biomimickry cannot be as rich as we choose to make it (allow it?). 

By copying or mimicking living beings, probabilities are not required because copying existing life behavior and physical properties is highly specific in design. While vast, the number of possible design solutions is bounded by what can live.

Certainly the biosphere (the one(s) we live in) is vast compared to the engineered and even biomimicing technologies we have created ourselves (in a hundred or even thousands of years).

What can live also contains an ethical dimension that grounds and precepts possibilities.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by ethical in this case?  I think of ethics as being a consequence of choice and that the world of possibilities is much larger than what is "ethical".  It is possible that I can think of "ethics" as an organizing principle for all-possibilities, but I have to admit to a bias from my culture that says some (many) possibilities simply are "not ethical" in the sense of being "unethical" and even more possibilities are somehow outside of the bounds of ethics (neutral?).  

In Agent Based Modeling the death of individuals or groups is abstracted to be expressed as parameters emerge and recede within the model. To a large extent, in Biomimicry the death of a species or individual life is the ultimate determinant of which biological qualities to mimic.

I'm not sure I see the distinction.  I think of ABMs as relatively simple computational structures which are most often used to embody simple biomimetic models (or sociomimetic?).

I sense that the Agent Based Modeling approach with its roots in western mathematics carries forward some of the difficulties and even cul de sacs of western intellectual life and philosophy.

I think of all computing models to be based in western mathematics (and philosophy).  Do you know of others?

Like imposing platonic solid forms on the world, there are important similarities that are revealed—a common language developed for qualities of the physical world. But no individual contains or expresses these qualities except in often large and varying degrees of approximation. It can be said that these entities like platonic solids and other mathematical systems such as Agent Based Modeling are not alive nor more importantly cannot live. Of course to this extent they cannot die either which has its benefits.

Yes, I think you have touched on the centrality of idealization... it raises things to a plane of abstraction which often increases it's utility/effectiveness though often at the cost of it's meaning/relevance...

It seems to me that we need a deeper integration of approaches that are outside the body but return to reside in the living and in the living body.

I work in Virtual Reality for this very reason.  I believe that the many things we have moved entirely into the plane of abstraction can benefit from returning to the embodied experience... there are fundamental and probably subtle risks in this concept... and I think maybe you are one of the few in this mix able/willing to think deeply about such ideas without needing to judge or jump to a conclusion (pro or con).

I would like to propose a SapphoSocratic approach. But I will leave this for another message since this one has become rather long already.

I will try to follow up on this term... I can project into it all kinds of interpretations but I assume there is a body of extant knowledge under that label and that your use of the term is related to the same.

- Steve


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