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Nick Thompson

Advice on configuring computers

I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?

Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real work.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Nick,

One approach is to run a program that converts the system into a virtual machine image. There are different codes for this depending on your virtualization software. (vmware, hyper v, virtualbox, etc.) Then you get a big (!) folder representing your old system that you can put on an external multi-terabyte drive and copy as needed.

Marcus

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On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:25 AM, Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?

Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real work.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Barry MacKichan

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a good thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.

Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:

I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?

Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real work.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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gepr

Re: Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real work.

uǝʃƃ ⊥ glen

Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

--
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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Advice on configuring computers

If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374

Marcus

On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

--
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Alfredo Covaleda Vélez-2

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Marcus idea is good. During years I have been using a cheap Chinese SD card as main drive using LINUX OS running on an old tiny laptop which lack of a mechanical hard drive. I have just updated to a newer Linux distribution and I also installed Dropbox there, so I always bring my important files. These days you could buy 1024 GB SD for less than 50 US dollars.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374

Marcus

On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

--
∄ uǝʃƃ

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Brent Auble

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

Depending on the size of the computer, with smaller ones being less likely to allow it, most of them will be able to have two hard drives. A frequent configuration now is to have a primary drive that Windows is installed on, which is an SSD, and a secondary larger non-SSD drive. Annoyingly (and driven by cost), the primary SSD drive tends to be relatively small (128-256 GB). My current personal laptop is running Windows 10 and has a ~240 GB primary SSD and a 512 GB non-SSD secondary drive. I'm a digital packrat, and so far that has been sufficient disk space. However, I would feel more comfortable having a larger primary SSD drive -- at least 480 GB (not sure why they don't map to the powers of two), although 1 TB -- and a larger secondary drive (also 1 to 2 TB). Unfortunately, that sort of configuration will almost certainly exceed a $1K price point.

The SD card is a reasonable option for adding additional storage since most laptops do have a built-in SD card reader, although I'd confirm that it can handle a 400 GB card since that's bigger than the commonly available ones and the drivers may not have been updated to handle it (the 256 GB should be fine though since that size has been readily available for at least the past year or two). The only caution I'd have on that is to probably not install software to it (same with an external drive).

An external SSD drive connected via USB3 (preferably) can be a relatively inexpensive way to store additional data, but it definitely has the issue of being an external contraption that has to be remembered if you're using it for anything other than backup.

My recommendation, if your budget can handle it, is to bite the >$1K bullet and get a laptop with a 480+ GB primary SSD and a secondary 1+ TB internal drive (SSD or non). It's a lot easier to handle for daily use and Carbonite should be able to back up both drives to the cloud, and you can continue to use your existing 1 TB drive as another backup device (or upgrade to a larger drive so it can potentially handle everything you could store on the laptop).

Brent

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To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Alfredo Covaleda Vélez-2

I think getting the largest SSD you can afford is a good idea, 500G SSD internal drives are around $90, a terabyte is less than twice that. Get a laptop with a small SSD in the best technology and have someone swap in a bigger and badder drive.

Just don't lose the laptop. My dad spilled orange juice into his laptop case once on a visit, never did find out why he was travelling with it. Or maybe you should just do that first and solve all your data storage problems up front?

Micro SD cards are great, but I can't find any of mine other than the one that's plugged into my laptop. And the slots tend to be all connected with USB 2.0 buses last time I checked. Which I had to do by bench marking the same card in a USB 3.0 adapter vs the builtin reader slot, because no one specifies how the built ion SD card interface is provisioned.

-- rec --

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Marcus idea is good. During years I have been using a cheap Chinese SD card as main drive using LINUX OS running on an old tiny laptop which lack of a mechanical hard drive. I have just updated to a newer Linux distribution and I also installed Dropbox there, so I always bring my important files. These days you could buy 1024 GB SD for less than 50 US dollars.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374

Marcus

On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

--
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Gillian Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Nick these all sound like pretty good ideas. To me it seems like their's always some need to get a pretty good sized hard drive. FWIW I didn't guess right for my computer. I thought 1 terabyte would be plenty. I am wrong. As to the cloud. Yeah I don't know. For back up? It's pretty good. I just think it's about the right thing for the job.

I don't know if anyone else has suggested this: ram; Windows eats surprisling large amount.

Question: do you particularly need or really want to stay with a laptop?

HP isn't all that good of a computer company. Just my experience it hasn't been all that good since...forever at least the 90's and really since the 80's I'd say.

My brother (Tim) a while back got a think pad. At the time seemed to like it. I don't know what their like now. Anyone have some opinions their anygood still? I thought his wife

The reason I suggest thinking about a desktop. Is it might be a lot less hastle to get a good hard drive and ram. Plus installing them is not at all straitforward even at a shop with a ton of equipment. experience. I have done it with a hand me down from owen(dad). But let me tell you on the apple it was not that straitward and seriusly had a few moments: Oh fuck please tell me that dropped screw didn't hork something up.

I totally agree with the SSD(their really big thumb drives basically)..and I didn't know that a 500 gig one is about 90.. that's awesome !

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:01 PM Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think getting the largest SSD you can afford is a good idea, 500G SSD internal drives are around $90, a terabyte is less than twice that. Get a laptop with a small SSD in the best technology and have someone swap in a bigger and badder drive.

Just don't lose the laptop. My dad spilled orange juice into his laptop case once on a visit, never did find out why he was travelling with it. Or maybe you should just do that first and solve all your data storage problems up front?

Micro SD cards are great, but I can't find any of mine other than the one that's plugged into my laptop. And the slots tend to be all connected with USB 2.0 buses last time I checked. Which I had to do by bench marking the same card in a USB 3.0 adapter vs the builtin reader slot, because no one specifies how the built ion SD card interface is provisioned.

-- rec --

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Marcus idea is good. During years I have been using a cheap Chinese SD card as main drive using LINUX OS running on an old tiny laptop which lack of a mechanical hard drive. I have just updated to a newer Linux distribution and I also installed Dropbox there, so I always bring my important files. These days you could buy 1024 GB SD for less than 50 US dollars.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374

Marcus

On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

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Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Thanks, everybody. I now think I understand what is happening: the demand for speed in hard disks has overtaken the demand for size. Or to put it another way, for most of you, you will gladly accept the added cognitive burden imposed by having two hard disks in return for the added speed provided by a smaller internal ssd.

As to my present situation, I am beginning to have a Dark Suspicion. It’s just not right for somebody whose computer use is as primitive as mine to be using up so much HD space. And as fast as I clear space on my hard disk, it get’s used up again. I am wondering if some program isn’t gobbling up space fast as I can free it. I found about a gig of old I-tunes pod casts tucked away, and have been trying to beat I=tunes in to submission. Are there other places to look for misbehaving programs that are piling up garbage in large stinking plastic bags on my hard disk?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

I don't know if anyone else has suggested this: ram; Windows eats surprisling large amount.

Question: do you particularly need or really want to stay with a laptop?

HP isn't all that good of a computer company. Just my experience it hasn't been all that good since...forever at least the 90's and really since the 80's I'd say.

My brother (Tim) a while back got a think pad. At the time seemed to like it. I don't know what their like now. Anyone have some opinions their anygood still? I thought his wife

I totally agree with the SSD(their really big thumb drives basically)..and I didn't know that a 500 gig one is about 90.. that's awesome !

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:01 PM Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think getting the largest SSD you can afford is a good idea, 500G SSD internal drives are around $90, a terabyte is less than twice that. Get a laptop with a small SSD in the best technology and have someone swap in a bigger and badder drive.

Just don't lose the laptop. My dad spilled orange juice into his laptop case once on a visit, never did find out why he was travelling with it. Or maybe you should just do that first and solve all your data storage problems up front?

Micro SD cards are great, but I can't find any of mine other than the one that's plugged into my laptop. And the slots tend to be all connected with USB 2.0 buses last time I checked. Which I had to do by bench marking the same card in a USB 3.0 adapter vs the builtin reader slot, because no one specifies how the built ion SD card interface is provisioned.

-- rec --

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Marcus idea is good. During years I have been using a cheap Chinese SD card as main drive using LINUX OS running on an old tiny laptop which lack of a mechanical hard drive. I have just updated to a newer Linux distribution and I also installed Dropbox there, so I always bring my important files. These days you could buy 1024 GB SD for less than 50 US dollars.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374

Marcus

On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

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Gillian Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

As to size vs speed?that's a great question!to be honest I'm curious as well .

Size for me and as importantly as you point out finding things is important as well.

Not to pry might help to know what you do mostly.

For example I am moving from a ton of computer gaming to auidiobooks and watching pulpy fun to. And to do some audulting .

So being able to write thing is n Google's cloud or old school faxing without a a d headache ocaiocioly Skype Google Hangouts. Etc is a big thing.

Fir you if your big stuff is reasearch writing, and review then maybe a large disk vs fast one might help.

Can't make good suggestions without knowing what you fo though.:-)😁

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 11:22 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody. I now think I understand what is happening: the demand for speed in hard disks has overtaken the demand for size. Or to put it another way, for most of you, you will gladly accept the added cognitive burden imposed by having two hard disks in return for the added speed provided by a smaller internal ssd.

As to my present situation, I am beginning to have a Dark Suspicion. It’s just not right for somebody whose computer use is as primitive as mine to be using up so much HD space. And as fast as I clear space on my hard disk, it get’s used up again. I am wondering if some program isn’t gobbling up space fast as I can free it. I found about a gig of old I-tunes pod casts tucked away, and have been trying to beat I=tunes in to submission. Are there other places to look for misbehaving programs that are piling up garbage in large stinking plastic bags on my hard disk?

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

Nick these all sound like pretty good ideas. To me it seems like their's always some need to get a pretty good sized hard drive. FWIW I didn't guess right for my computer. I thought 1 terabyte would be plenty. I am wrong. As to the cloud. Yeah I don't know. For back up? It's pretty good. I just think it's about the right thing for the job.
I don't know if anyone else has suggested this: ram; Windows eats surprisling large amount.

Question: do you particularly need or really want to stay with a laptop?
HP isn't all that good of a computer company. Just my experience it hasn't been all that good since...forever at least the 90's and really since the 80's I'd say.

My brother (Tim) a while back got a think pad. At the time seemed to like it. I don't know what their like now. Anyone have some opinions their anygood still? I thought his wife

The reason I suggest thinking about a desktop. Is it might be a lot less hastle to get a good hard drive and ram. Plus installing them is not at all straitforward even at a shop with a ton of equipment. experience. I have done it with a hand me down from owen(dad). But let me tell you on the apple it was not that straitward and seriusly had a few moments: Oh fuck please tell me that dropped screw didn't hork something up.

I totally agree with the SSD(their really big thumb drives basically)..and I didn't know that a 500 gig one is about 90.. that's awesome !
.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:01 PM Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think getting the largest SSD you can afford is a good idea, 500G SSD internal drives are around $90, a terabyte is less than twice that. Get a laptop with a small SSD in the best technology and have someone swap in a bigger and badder drive.

Just don't lose the laptop. My dad spilled orange juice into his laptop case once on a visit, never did find out why he was travelling with it. Or maybe you should just do that first and solve all your data storage problems up front?

Micro SD cards are great, but I can't find any of mine other than the one that's plugged into my laptop. And the slots tend to be all connected with USB 2.0 buses last time I checked. Which I had to do by bench marking the same card in a USB 3.0 adapter vs the builtin reader slot, because no one specifies how the built ion SD card interface is provisioned.

-- rec --

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Marcus idea is good. During years I have been using a cheap Chinese SD card as main drive using LINUX OS running on an old tiny laptop which lack of a mechanical hard drive. I have just updated to a newer Linux distribution and I also installed Dropbox there, so I always bring my important files. These days you could buy 1024 GB SD for less than 50 US dollars.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards: https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374

Marcus

On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, everybody.

In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal. The big deal for this 80 year old is cognitive burden. So a this point I have stuff on the hard drive, stuff on a 1t drive and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a ticket for disaster. So also is a system in which every where I go, I have to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well. The one thing eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to lose. SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so what the hell.

Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution? Is it just COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of your laptops, or am I missing something here?

I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's time to suck it up?

The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much. But for the above mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant to help me straighten out the mess I have made.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ? u???
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
To: FriAM <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

You may already know this ... Because you're probably using that *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay attention to where programs are installed. Windows installers will try to put everything on your "C" drive. But they usually give you the option of installing it somewhere else. Given Windows' massive disk space requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary drive(s).

On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3 connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
>
> Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly (there are programs to make that automatic).
>
> --Barry
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?
>
>
>
> Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real
> work.

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Barry MacKichan

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of,
thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood,
“dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
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Clark University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Advice on configuring computers

And doggone it, I really *should* be back working in the gas station like I did in High School, for $2 an hour.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:14 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
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Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Edward Angel

Re: Advice on configuring computers

I would have grabbed the gas station job. I spent a summer working in a warehouse for $1 hour (no benefits too). My boss’ boss, recognizing what I good worker I was, tried to get me to not return to Caltech and keep working in the warehouse. After all, my direct boss was making $60/week after 20 or so years.

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On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

And doggone it, I really *should* be back working in the gas station like I did in High School, for $2 an hour.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:14 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Gary Schiltz-4

Gary,

My first job was as a copy boy at the San Francisco Chronicle for a dollar an hour. Our two bedroom cottage was 75 dollars a month.

Do you remember when we waltzed to the Souza Band? [My wasn’t the music grand!}

While I am wasting your collective time, can anyone explain why, having deleted over 5000 messages from my outlook, and emptied the deleted items file, and restarted Outlook, and reloaded my C: drive, I have LESS space on my hard disk than before?

Yeah. I know. The rest of you have day jobs.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:02 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

And doggone it, I really *should* be back working in the gas station like I did in High School, for $2 an hour.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:14 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

Late to the party here, but here is my perspective: the apparent speed of laptops I've upgraded has increased 5X or more just by changing the old spinning hard drive for an SSD. This mostly shows up in startup and shutdown, and launching programs. Some of us love tinkering with stuff and making it work better, but I'm unfortunately not in a location to be able to physically help.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:25 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?

Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real work.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Gillian Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Hmm question for nick to consider: how reliable are they now?

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 2:12 PM Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Late to the party here, but here is my perspective: the apparent speed of laptops I've upgraded has increased 5X or more just by changing the old spinning hard drive for an SSD. This mostly shows up in startup and shutdown, and launching programs. Some of us love tinkering with stuff and making it work better, but I'm unfortunately not in a location to be able to physically help.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 1:25 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
I was about to give up on my 460 Gig hd HP because [it was old and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk space. Wondering how people are storing stuff. Are the days of buying larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over? [sigh} Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year. Are people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or telling some software to store to them? How’s that work?

Sorry to bother you with this. I know the rest of you have real work.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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